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By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 10:20 pm: Edit

In the following, the first section is contradicted by the second section.

Essentially, the second section says use turn 9(FY172) production more or less for a third turn of early Fed entry, but according to the first section you would use the Y173 production.

(702.214) Early War Production Schedule:
First Spring Early War Turn: [CVA+ECL+2xDE], CA, 3xNCL,
3xFF
First Fall Early War Turn: DN, CA, 3xNCL, 3xFF
Additional Early War Turns: Begin using Y173 production
schedule.
Notes:
If the Federation is attacked on Turn #1, #3, or #5, treat
this as Turn #7 (Y171F) for production purposes.
If the Federation is attacked on Turn #2, #4, or #6, treat
this as Turn #8 (Y172S) for production purposes.
Thereafter proceed with Turns #8 (if applicable) and #9,
and then to the full wartime production rates. Ships
not available are replaced by basic hull type. Also
applies if the Hydrans activate the Federation.

- Eitzen 5/29/20

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Monday, June 15, 2020 - 04:52 pm: Edit

Under (702.23)

Carrier Limits lists COV; this should probably be listed in the Commando Ship section instead. (Nick Samaras, June 15, 2020).


F-111/PFTs: A maximum of four CF1/CPFs are allowed. This should be three as per (527.26). (Nick Samaras, June 15, 2020).

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Thursday, June 25, 2020 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Federation BCP - F&E information for this unit was published in CL38. Also, the YIS was listed as Y177 in CL38, but SFB shows the YIS to be Y184. (Ken Kazinski, June 25, 2020).

By John Wyszynski (Starsabre) on Friday, June 26, 2020 - 07:06 am: Edit

The Federation BCP in CL38 was redesignated as BC1 per MSIT. The BCP was already the Battle Control Ship with PFs.

BTW - The above was put in wrong topic.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 07:55 am: Edit

Copied from Q&A to correct topic.

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By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 05:03 am: Edit

In R9 in the text section about the Federation Strike Cruiser (R2.131), it mentions that they were designed to be built in NCL slipways. In SO and the Master SIT it shows it as a substitution for a CA. Should we change their substitution source from a CA to an NCL to reflect this?

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The one advantage of this ship over the new light cruiser is that its slipways [the new light cruiser slipways converted from destroyer (R2.6) slipways] could have also produced strike cruisers.

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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 - 03:53 am: Edit

FEDS has no issues with this for strike cruisers, but defers to ADB for guidance on how they want to accomplish this.

By Graham Cridland (Grahamcridland) on Thursday, June 09, 2022 - 12:19 pm: Edit

In 702.11 the SWACs listed for the Third and Home fleets as prewar construction are not reflected in prewar construction under 702.212.

There is a discrepancy between the SIT and OOB as to which expansion permits additional construction of CVL and COV survey cruiser/carriers (SIT says AO, OOB says SO, the latter is probably correct.)

By Graham Cridland (Grahamcridland) on Thursday, July 14, 2022 - 05:06 pm: Edit

The Fourth Fleet SC in the OOB is listed as a line ship, rather than a support ship. 702.11.

By Graham Cridland (Grahamcridland) on Friday, July 15, 2022 - 08:38 pm: Edit

The OOB lists the FF->FCR conversion as Y173+ while the SIT lists the FCR available in Y172. Perhaps it is intentional the first must be converted, but ...

By David Hiller (Dhhgamer) on Thursday, December 29, 2022 - 08:00 pm: Edit

Should there be some mention that F14s are not available until 171? It looks like they are available at the start.

By Jamey Johnston (Totino) on Thursday, December 29, 2022 - 09:36 pm: Edit

F14s are "available at the start" in the sense that the Federation (typically) joins the game in Y171. Looking over the OOB, I believe that there are no F14s on any ships in the Y168F (Turn 1) OOB, and only the CVA built in PWC turn 6 (Y171S) and sent to the First Fleet has them. So unless I missed something, the availability in Y171 is correctly followed.

By David Hiller (Dhhgamer) on Friday, December 30, 2022 - 09:22 am: Edit

But that's not true in every scenario. I had to look in the rules to figure out what year to put them in for my counter tray since the SiT also doesn't say. Just saying.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, December 30, 2022 - 09:51 am: Edit

David,
G3 lists the YIS date of F-14s as Y171. So unless you can point to a Historical Scenario where the date listed is before Y171 then no carrier has F-14s before then.

Is it possible that you are confusing the F-14s with F-15s? The CVBs do run into that issue in that 2 of the 3 CVBs are built before the F-15s YIS which is Y172 (Turn 8). So for Turn 7, and if any are used in combat in a limited war or early war situation then the CVBs carry F-4s (6 Fighter Factors) instead of F-15s (8 Fighter Factors) until Y172 (Turn 8).

By David Hiller (Dhhgamer) on Wednesday, January 04, 2023 - 05:26 am: Edit

Tomas,
I am setting up my counter trays for a non-historical scenario (658). If what you are saying is that the OOB is only set up for historical scenarios, then why is the ISC OOB for Y168? Also, I am not talking about the carriers, I am talking about the 3 F14 markers in General HQ. In Vassal they are included even though the historical builds are not, so it got confused there as well. They should not be in General HQ until 171.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, January 04, 2023 - 02:26 pm: Edit

The 3 F-14s come in to play on Turn 7 (assumed) start of Fed entry into the General War. The ISC Y168 OOB is historical.

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Sunday, July 30, 2023 - 06:40 pm: Edit

Proposed Setup changes for Federation 3rd and 6th Fleets.

Based on Rules as written hex 2305 is a legal deployment hex for 3rd Fleet and 3508 is a legal deployment hex for 6th Fleet as both are within 4 hexes of their respective borders.

Recommend updating the deployment area restrictions to be South of xx06/xx09 inclusive for 3rd/6th Fleet.

This reflects the deployment locations as depicted on the Large Scale Map.

FEAST

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, August 03, 2023 - 04:02 pm: Edit

Ryan that makes sense as a clarification but it begs the Q.
Why is it the 4th and 5th fleets setups are restricted to 3 hexes from the border and the 3rd and 6th are four hexes from the border?

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, August 03, 2023 - 06:22 pm: Edit

First guess, difference between friendly and hostile borders???

Rally points (2308/2612 | 3212/3509)??

By Benjamin Lee Johnson (Jedipilot24) on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 - 04:28 pm: Edit

I was reading through the article in CL41, "Class History: Federation Galactic Survey Cruisers" and I noticed something peculiar. The OOB for the Federation lists them as having 2xCLS, 5xGSC, 3xCVL, and 1xCOV. This article, however, describes the Federation's GSCs as follows:

Viking (CLS): Converted from CL in Y125.
Voyager (CLS): Converted from CL in Y125.
Byrd (CVL): Built in 140 as GSC, converted to CVL in Y167.
Columbus (GSC): Built in Y144, recalled in Y173, destroyed in Y178.
Darwin (CVL): Built in Y148 as GSC, converted to CVL after Klingon invasion.
Lewis & Clark (GSC): Built in Y152.
Magellan (GSC): Built in Y156, destroyed in Y179 by the Romulans.
Discovery (CVL): Built in Y160 as GSC, converted to CVL in Y168, destroyed in Y183.
Marco Polo (GSC): Built in Y162, lost crew to virus in Y163, sent to Survey Area until Y176 when it was lost and was replaced by the NSR "Ibn Batuta" the following year.
Cousteau (GSC): Built in Y163, wrecked in Y168, rebuilt and returned to survey duty in Y175.
Sagan (COV): Built in Y164 as GSC, converted to COV in Y170.
Armstrong (GSC): Built in Y165 and lost in Y186.
Challenger (GSC): Built in Y166, conducted various classified operations during General War.
Columbia (GSC): Built in Y167 and send on various far ranging expeditions during General War.

So, in Y171F, the Federation actually has 2xCLS, 7xGSC, 3xCVL, and 1xCOV, plus one more GSC in the Repair Depot. The rebuilt Cousteau can be accounted for as effectively replacing the Magellan, but I am still curious as to why Challenger and Columbia are not accounted for.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 - 05:36 pm: Edit

I wrote that article. I wanted to leave some things ambiguous. Challenger and Columbia are not supposed to be used in scenarios, so I accounted for them by having them off doing things not defined or seen in the game.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, January 01, 2025 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Columbia and Challenger (the Space Shuttles) were lost long after the F&E OOBs were written. Adding 2 more GSCs would add a lot to the Fed survey income.