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	Kzinti Order of Battle	1		11/23 03:16pm

All items corrected. Topic remains open.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - 11:31 pm: Edit

Restricted units is missing CPFs. (Nick Samaras, June 16, 2020).

Raid Pool is missing special raids.(Nick Samaras, June 16, 2020).

Monitor Pallets: Carrier pallet year should be Y161 as per SIT. (Nick Samaras, June 16, 2020).

By John M. Williams (Jay) on Monday, January 25, 2021 - 01:07 pm: Edit

I would recommend clarifying the language for the Marquis' Fleet deployment area. The double negative related to hex 1704 is confusing. Maybe something like this?

Set up in provinces 1902 and 1803 but not within two hexes of the Klingon neutral zone. Hex 1704 is included in Marquis territory.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, January 25, 2021 - 05:17 pm: Edit

Wouldn't it be easier to specify '...province 1902 and hexes 1803, 1804, and 1704 ...' or change the 'two hexes' to 'one hex'?

By John M. Williams (Jay) on Monday, January 25, 2021 - 08:47 pm: Edit

I don't think 1804 is supposed to be included, just hexes 1803 and 1704. However, naming province 1902 and the additional specific hexes would work and be much clearer.

I was just having a hard time trying to decide whether the language on this OOB was changing the deployment rules from what appears in the 2010 base game. The wording changed, but I don't think the intent did. However, the wording is awkward enough that it's hard to be sure.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, January 25, 2021 - 11:15 pm: Edit

"Set up in provinces 1902 and 1803 but not
within two hexes of the Klingon neutral zone, does not include hex 1704."

Heck, I wrote that and I don't know if 1704 is included in Marquis territory or not.

Okay, I looked at the map, 1704 is Marquis.

Try this:

"Set up in provinces 1902 plus hexes 1704 and 1803."

Ryan, make the change at convenience.

By John M. Williams (Jay) on Sunday, June 06, 2021 - 03:08 pm: Edit

In the OOB in the base game, the Baron's Fleet does not include an FF. In the online OOB, it does include an FF. Was adding the FF a correction to the original OOB or was the frigate added because of something in the expansions? I'm ignoring additions like the FFK, which are obviously from the expansions.

Similarly, was the Home Fleet going from 3xDD in the base game OOB to 6xDD in the online OOB a correction or related to the expansions?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Sunday, June 06, 2021 - 09:46 pm: Edit

Expansion related.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, June 29, 2021 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Special Production has a typo under FFK:
- Suggest replace the work "expect" with the word 'except'.

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 12:59 pm: Edit

X-technology introduction date is currently listed as "Y182S (turn #27)"

Should be one or the other of:

"Y182S (turn#28)"
"Y181F (turn#27)"

I'm not sure which one of these is intended.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 15, 2022 - 09:45 am: Edit

Have we confirmed that the Kzinti build schedule is supposed to shift to:

DN, BC, NCA, 3CM, 3DW, 3FFK

As of the Spring of y174? And not y175?

It seems like this should be y175, given the restrictions on FFK/FKE construction until y175. In the original version of AO (2003), the Kzinti shift to this schedule in Spring y176.

I mean, if the intention is that this actually happens in Spring y174, then that's fine, but it seems weird, especially given that the limits on FFK production still list as being restricted until y175.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, January 15, 2022 - 06:19 pm: Edit

That, and the Federation, Klingons, and Lyrans all shift to the NCA version of their production schedules in y175 (the Hydrans shift in y176; everyone else is weirder, but later).

Why do the Kzinti get the shift to the "late war" production schedule a year earlier than everyone?

By Bill Phillips (Praetor) on Friday, April 15, 2022 - 09:55 pm: Edit

Wedmom level notes

(705.4) ECONOMICS

(702.41) BASE ECONOMIC SOURCES:

(702.42) CAPITAL SYSTEMS:

(702.43) EXHAUSTION EFFECTS: (652.31)
First fifteen turns on a wartime economy - 100%;
Next ten turns on a wartime economy - 75%;
Twenty-six+ turns on a wartime economy - 50

Shouldn't these references be 705.xx and not 702.xx ??

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Saturday, April 16, 2022 - 03:19 am: Edit

Yes, thats a copy paste error. Jean doesn't proof the online OOBs.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, April 16, 2022 - 09:06 am: Edit

I don't proof them either. Ryan sends them to Simone directly.

By Tom Lusco (Tlusco) on Saturday, June 11, 2022 - 08:29 am: Edit

705.221 Allowable substitutions includes the following drone-relevant entries:

CD for BC once per year (within drone limits)
SDF for FF once per turn (within drone & scout limits)
MDC for CM once per year within drone limits.
SDW for DW once per year (within drone & scout limits)

But then the section on drone ships adds:
No more than one drone ship by substitution each year.
Can produce (by any means) no more than two drone ships of all types combined per turn.
MDC, DND and CLD count against this limit

The allowable substitutions section overlaps with the SIT a great deal and contradicts the drone ship section. In particular, the statement that the Kzinti can substitute an SDF for an FF once/turn contradicts the 'one drone ship substitution per year' statement.

Is there any support for enabling the Kzinti to be better at producing drone ships than the Klingons? Maybe by making the SDF/DF for FF 'above the drone ship limits' so they could effectively produce 3/turn, as long as one was an SDF or DF?

By Sean Dzafovic (Sdzafovic) on Monday, December 19, 2022 - 12:18 pm: Edit

The data for SAD seems off. You start with 3, but the OOB says max 1 in service.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, December 19, 2022 - 06:52 pm: Edit

The SAD numbers in the OOB have been previously confirmed.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 01:28 am: Edit

Ryan, set up a line item so I add that confirmation note and avoid this confusion for my customers in future.

By Nick Blank (Nickgb) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 01:37 pm: Edit

What should the SAD max in service be? All the other auxs have more small in service than large, but as printed now the LAD is set at 2 max, and SAD at 1 max, but the Kzinti also start with 3 SAD in their setup in violation of that max limit.

I am sure the set up is correct (that matches the original printing) but the max doesn't make sense Should it be 3 or 4 SAD max? Or something else?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 03:08 pm: Edit

FEDS Recommendation (OPINION ONLY)

LAD Limit in Service: TWO
SAD: Limit in Service: THREE

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 05:01 pm: Edit

2 big, 3 small, Ryan, make it sew

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 08:38 pm: Edit

I have updated my master copy of the OOBs. I plan on sending in an update for all empires in early Jan 2023.

By Nick Blank (Nickgb) on Tuesday, December 20, 2022 - 09:00 pm: Edit

Sounds good, thanks!