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SYMBOLS USED: The definition of the red diamond (survey ships?) should probably be included. F Brooks, 1 May 2017.
FEDS: While technically correct, I don't see where we have the room to do so. This is an ADB call but I don't see it as a good use of limited space.

Also, would it be possible to get page numbers included on the SITs? It would make life much easier when printing them.

SVC ADDED RED DIAMOND DESCRIPTORS TO EVERY FILE (EXCEPT THE TWO I DON'T HAVE) ON 2 MAY 2017.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 02:52 pm: Edit

I have now added the leading R to every generic unit on every SIT that didn't have one. (This does not include the Paravian and Carnivon SITs because I dont have excell files on those. I have asked the staff to correct the missing Rs and send me the files.)

In doing that, I noted that something like 98% of existing Generic units had the R, so clearly the standard is, was, and always has been to include the R. Sorry we missed a few.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 09:56 pm: Edit

(edited)

Note for staff- I did a global fix for FLG/POL/PV to deal with call up costs being missing or no longer correct.

All FLG/POL/PV should now have 1/turn, 2/turn, 1/year type call up rates noted (including the K/F special cases).

I didn't see anything in my rules search on how to handle Heavy Police ships (mostly from CL#40), so I skipped any fixes there. If we want me to look at those, please post or email me a pointer.

FEDS: MEMO FOR RECORD

This ME rule does cover police call-up for the LDR/Vudar/Selts and could also apply to the WYN/Jindarians/Andros when introduced to F&E:

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Quote:

(531.0) POLICE SHIPS: The police forces of the Lyran Democratic
Republic (LDR) and the Vudar Enclave were effectively
absorbed and fully integrated full-time by their relatively small
national fleets. As such these empires do not have a pool of additional
police forces to call-up under this rule. The LDR POL and
MP along with the Vudar FLG are treated like any other warship
of their respective fleets and they do not fall under these police
ship rules. Seltorian Tribunal forces did not carry or use police
forces as part of their galactic quest to exterminate the Tholians.

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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, May 08, 2017 - 03:51 am: Edit

Howard stated:
"I didn't see anything in my rules search on how to handle Heavy Police ships (mostly from CL#40), so I skipped any fixes there."

FEDS: From CL51:

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Quote:

(SHP.O) HEAVY POLICE CUTTERS

Many heavy police cutters (HPC) came into service during
the years of the General War when police forces across the galaxy
found themselves outclassed and outgunned by military raiders
and new classes of pirates. Note: Some of these ships have
been introduced in prior ADB publications; the Kzinti HPC is a
notional playtest unit for F&E and has not been published for
SFB. The SIT in this issue lists only the ships in this issue; an
extra SIT in the Supplemental File lists all known HPCs.

(5HP.1) USAGE: As a modification of the established police ship
rules (531.0), an empire may substitute one HPC for one standard
police cutter under (531.12) per year beginning with that
empire's HPC year in service date. The maximum number of
HPCs which can be called into military service is: Federation FPP
(6), Klingon G6 (6), Romulan K6 (6), Kzinti HPC (3), Gorn BFF
(3), Tholian POW (2), Lyran MP (4), Hydran HGN (2) and HGV
(1 ), and ISC HPC (6). All other rules under (531.0) pertaining to
the use of police cutters apply to HPCs.

(5HP.2) ADDITIONAL CALL-UPS: An empire can build additional
HPCs, counting them against appropriate scheduled production
on the SIT up to a maximum of one HPC produced per year;
these are in excess of the limits under (531.12). Only one Hydran
HGV may be in service at any time.

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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 01:57 pm: Edit

Thanks Steve for working to update the SITs.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 03:16 pm: Edit

Thanks, Steve, for working to update the SITs!

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Yes, this is awesome.


So, when do we see the Magellanic SITs?

(Ducks and runs).

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 09:45 pm: Edit

Thanks for all your hard work!

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 04:04 am: Edit

FYI -- the pilcrow (¶) symbol for the cost of added PFs on the SITs is [Option+7] on the Mac keyboard.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 09:09 pm: Edit

DONE PROVISIONALLY SUBJECT TO RULES AND COSTS
Recommended F&E Repair Capacities and unit costs of Auxiliary Repair Ships


SAR: factors 0-2R/0-1 | conv From SAC/SAA: 1 | build (549.121): 3

LAR: factors 1-4RR/0-2 | conv From LAC/LAA: 2 | build (549.121): 6

JAR: factors 4-7RR/2-4 | conv From JAC/JAA: 2 | build (549.121): 8

HAR: factors 6-8RR/3-4 | conv From HAC/HAA: 2 | build (549.121): 10

Note that each "R" Factor represents 4 repair points which means LAR/JAR/HAR all have the same repair capacity.

THIS HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN REJECTED AS GAME BREAKING.--SVC

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, May 22, 2017 - 04:15 am: Edit

DONE 22 MARCH 2017 BUT SVC THINKS COSTS SHOULD BE HIGHER.
HAS: CHANGE costs: conv From HAC: 3 | build 12 | Rationale: max EW is now 3 so costs needed to match.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 01:14 pm: Edit

FEDS note of auxiliary ship build costs: Recommend simply citing for each auxiliary build as follows:

(549.121): #
(where '#' is the cost of production)

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(549.121) Each empire may produce one auxiliary (of any type) per turn (the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and the ISC may produce two per turn), but only one per year may be a large, jumbo, or heavy auxiliary. One large or two small auxiliary troop ships can be built each turn in addition to that number. Some auxiliaries have an “in service” limit (762.0). Some smaller empires have lower limits in their order of battle.

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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, May 08, 2017 - 05:19 am: Edit

Additional Data on Heavy Police Ships extracted from CL51 Supplemental:

Designation	Ref #	Factors	Product	Cmnd	Date	Size	Conv	Build	Salv	Notes
Fed PFF	2.121	5/None	R8	3	Y175	PFF(4)	From POL: 1	For FF: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Klingon G6	3.135	5/None	R8	3	Y175	G6(4)	From G2: 1	For F5: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Kzint HPC	TBD	5/None	TBD	3	Y175	HPC(4)	From POL: 1	For FFK: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Gorn BFF	6.83	4-5/None	R8	3	Y167	BFF(4)	From POL: 1	For DD: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Tholian PDW	A23	6/None	CL40	5	Y179	PDW(4)	From 2xPOL: 2	For PC: 4 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Hydran HGN	9.107	4-5(1.5)/None	R8	4	Y175	HGN(4)	None	For FF: 3+3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
Hydran HGV	9.108	2-5(8)/None	R8	6	Y176	HGN(4)	From HGN: 2+13	For FF: 5+16 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Carrier (5HP.0); limit 1. Counts against HGN production.
Lyran MP	11.46	5/None	R3	4	Y170	MP(4)	From POL: 1	For FF: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0)
ISC HPC	13.73	5/None	R8	4	Y175	HPC(4)	From FF: 0.5	For FF: 3 (1/Year) Call up: 0 (1/Year)	0.000	Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0))

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Frank Brooks sent me an email noting that the SITs had two formats for monitor pallets. These divide evenly with the old SITs I did using MPAL(CV) and the new ones Chuck/Ryan did using MPAL-V.

I changed all of them to the original MPAL (CV) type.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 02:07 pm: Edit

No underline characters found in: Tholian, Gorn, Kzinti, Fed, Klingon, Romulan, Lyran, WYN, ISC, Orion, Hydran, Andro, Vudar, Jindo, Selt, LDR.

One found in Carnivon (fixed).
One found in Paravian (fixed).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 02:29 pm: Edit

2-Federation.........updated 7 April 2017 and 15 April 2017
3-Klingon............updated 23 March 2017 and 2 April 2017
4-Romulan............updated 12 April 2017 and 24 April 2017
5-Kzinti.............updated 9 April 2017 and 25 April 2017
6-Gorn...............updated 23 March 2017 then 26 April 2017
7-Tholian............updated 23 March 2017 then 27 April 2017
8-Orion..............updated 23 March 2017 then 27 April 2017
9-Hydran.............updated 23 March 2017 then 27 April 2017
10-Andro..............updated 2 May 2005 and then 27 April 2017
11-Lyran..............updated 24 March 2017 then 28 and 29 April 2017
12-WYN................updated 18 April 2017
13-ISC................updated 24 March 2017 then 5 May 2017
14-LDR................updated 24 March 2017 and then 10 May 2017
15-Seltorian..........updated 24 March 2017 then 13 May 2017
16-Jindarian.......created 19 April 2017 updated 13 May 2017
17-Vudar..............updated 24 March 2017 then 14 May 2017
18-Paravian...........updated 23 June 2016 then 3 May 2017 then 18 May 2017
19-Carnivon...........updated 4 June 2016 then 3 May 2017 then 19 May 2017

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:36 am: Edit

DONE 21 MAY 2017
HEAVY AUXES (Except Hydran)

ALL HAA: factors 3-8/1-4 | conv From HAux: 1 | build (549.121): 8 | notes to read: Heavy Armed Auxiliary; carries 20EP.

ALL HAC: factors 9-8/5-4 | build (549.121): 9 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Combatant

ALL HAV: factors 6-8(12)/3-4(6) | conv From HAC: 2+12 | build (549.121): 9+12 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27).

ALL except Fed HAH: factors 6-8(8H6)/3-4(4H3) | conv From HAV: 0+2; From HAC: 2+14 | (549.121): 9+14 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary HF Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27). | FEDS: Other data same as HAV except ref#/date.
FED HAH: factors 6-8(9H6)/3-4(4.5H3) | conv From HAV: 1+0+12; From HAC: 3+6+18 | build (549.121): 9+6+18 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary F-111 Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27). | Rationale: Apply (530.222) to existing HAV to convert one squadron to HFs. FEDS: Other data same as HAV except ref#/date.

ALL FTH: factors 5-8GGGG/3-4GG | conv From HAC: 2 | build (549.121): 11 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Troop Ship

ALL HAS: factors 6-8*/3-4 | conv From HAC: 4 | (549.121): 13 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Scout; Scout, (4EW:2AF)(1EW:6AF).

ALL HAP: factors 6-8P*/2-4P | conv From HAC: 5+¶; From HAS: 3+¶ | build (549.121): 11+¶ | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary PFT (Conjectural for Feds), Scout, (2EW:3AF)(1EW:6AF)

ALL except FED HSC: factors 6-8P*(6)/3-4P(3) | conv From HAC: 7+6+¶; From: HAS: 5+6+¶| build (549.121): 13+6+¶ | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Space Control Ship; optional escorts per (515.27); Scout, (2EW:3AF)(1EW:6AF).
FED HSC: factors 6-8*(9H6)/3-4(4.5H3) | conv From HAC: 6+6+18; From HAS: 5+6+18; From HAV: 4+0+12; From HAH: 2+0 | build (549.121): 12+6+18 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Space Control Ship with F-111s; optional escorts per (515.27); Scout, (2EW:3AF)(1EW:6AF).

ALL HAR: factors 6-8RR/3-4 | conv From HAC: 2 | (549.121): 11 | notes to read: Heavy Auxiliary Repair Ship; 8 repair points.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:42 am: Edit

DONE 22 MAY 2017

JUMBO AUXES (Except Hydran)

ALL JAC: ref R1.A23 | factors 8-7/4 | build (549.121): 7 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Combatant

ALL JAA: ref R1.A34 | factors 3-7/1-4 | conv From JAux: 1 | build (549.121): 6 | notes to read: Jumbo Armed Auxiliary; carries 15EP.

ALL JAV: ref R1.A24 | factors 4-7(12)/2-4(6) | conv From JACV: 1+6; From JAC: 2+12; build (549.121): 7+12 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27).

ALL JACV: ref R1.A25 | factors 6-7(6)/3-4(3) | conv From JAC: 1+6; build (549.121): 6+6 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Battle Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27).

ALL JACG: ref R1.A31 (CL44Sup) | factors 6-7GG/3-4G | CR=4 | conv From JAC: 1; build (549.121): 8 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Assault Ship; Commando Ship

ALL but not Fed JAH: factors 4-7(8H6)/2-4(4H3) | conv From JAV: 0+2; From JAC: 2+14 | (549.121): 7+14 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary HF Carrier; optional escorts per (515.27). | FEDS: Other data same as JAV except ref#/date.

ALL FTJ: ref R1.A28 | factors 3-7GGGG/1-4GG | conv From: JAC/JAA: 2; build (549.121): 9 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Troop Ship

ALL JAS: ref Future | factors 4-7*/2-4 | conv From JAC: 4 | build (549.121): 11 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Scout; Scout, (3EW:2AF)(1EW:4AF).

ALL JAP: ref R1.A26 | factors 4-7P*/2-4P | conv From JAC: 5+¶; From LAS: 3+¶ | build (549.121): 9+¶ | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary PFT (Conjectural for Feds), Scout, (2EW:2AF)(1EW:4AF)

ALL but not Fed JSC: ref Future | | factors 4-7P*(6)/2-4P(3) | conv From JAC: 7+6+¶; From: JAS: 5+6+¶ | build (549.121): 12+6+¶ | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Space Control Ship; optional escorts per (515.27); Scout, (2EW:2AF)(1EW:4AF).

ALL JAR: ref Future | factors 4-7RR/2-4 | conv From JAC: 2 | build (549.121): 9 | notes to read: Jumbo Auxiliary Repair Ship; 8 repair points.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 08:10 am: Edit

ADDED PROVISIONALLY: CAPABILITY, AVAILABILITY, AND COST NOT YET DETERMINED

MISSING AUXES

ALL SAR: ref R1.25A | factors 0-2R/0-1 | Prod TBD | CR=0 | conv From SAC: 1 | build (549.121): 3 | salv 0.500 | note to read: Small Auxiliary Repair Ship; 4 repair points.

ALL LAR: ref R1.25B | factors 1-4RR/0-2 | Prod TBD | CR=0 | conv From LAC: 2 | build (549.121): 6 | salv 1.000 | note to read: Large Auxiliary Repair Ship; 8 repair points.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 06:30 pm: Edit

Note for record

Heavy Auxiliary Scout; Scout, (4EW:2AF)(1EW:6AF).

No. I am NOT giving aux scouts 4EW. See: Dead Horse Nebula.

Also, if it says 'Heavy Auxiliary Scout" you do NOT repeat the word "scout".

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Jumbo Armed Auxiliary; carries 20EP.

I don't think so. The heavy one doesnt have an EP carried note, neither does any other.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:57 pm: Edit

SEE NOTES BELOW
Need to sort on YIS date as HAA should be first entry. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21
MOSTLY LEAVING THEM ALPHABETICAL UNTIL WE GET THEM RIGHT.

HAA should the command rating be higher than zero (0)? - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21
FIXED

HAR conversion from HAC/HAux/HAA is missing. Is this a change (Chuck's posting had a conversion cost), or an error? If error, cost of 2 proposed by Chuck would be consistent with similar build cost versions. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21
COST IS "VERY HIGH, NOT YET DETERMINED"

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 08:25 pm: Edit

NO--SVC

For the EP capacity of the xAAs, I see the LAA as about equivalent to a tug with 10 EPs (to keep round numbers). This leads to the SAA at 5 EPs, the JAA at 15 EPs and the HAA at 20 EPs (as a cargo pod is a cargo pod)...

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 08:46 pm: Edit

REJECTED--SVC
Recommended F&E Cargo Capacity of Armed Auxiliaries

HAA: Carries 20 EP. Rationale: SSD has 100 Cargo Boxes (4x25)
JAA: Carries 15 EP. Rationale: SSD has 75 Cargo Boxes (3x25)
LAA: Carries 10 EP. Rationale: SSD has 50 Cargo Boxes (2x25)
SAA: Carries 5 EP. Rationale: SSD has 25 Cargo Boxes (1x25)

RECOMMEND AGAINST THIS; THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP. THIS WILL WRECK THE GAME. NO WAY I WILL ALLOW THIS.--SVC

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:58 pm: Edit

HANDLED
General- conversion from HAA for all entries are needed given YIS date of HAC being after many of them while HAA is earliest model. "From HAC/HAA: ..." is of course an option. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

Edit: make rationale for HAA conversions more clear without forcing one to note YIS of HAA.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:58 pm: Edit

DONE
HSCA Conversion from HAC "HAC: 6+6+18" is missing "From" should be "From HAC: 6+6+18" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21


HSCA has "Scout" twice in notes. Axe one please. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 08:02 pm: Edit

DONE 22 MAY 2017
HVH Fed mixed fighter groups typically specify the breakdown in notes (see ACS for example) in notes: "Two squadrons: F18(6) and A20(10V)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

HAH Fed mixed fighter groups typically specify the breakdown in notes (see ACS for example) in notes: "Two squadrons: F18(6) and F111(9H)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

HYH Fed mixed fighter groups typically specify the breakdown in notes (see ACS for example) in notes: "Two squadrons: F18(6) and F101(8Y)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

HSCA Fed mixed fighter groups typically specify the breakdown in notes (see ACS for example) in notes: "Two squadrons: F18(6) and F111(9H)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-21

Context: Existing entries are clear, this is just making Aux stuff consistent with regular warships. Of course the current entries are consistent with S/L versions (which we would presumably want to retrofit at some point). Either style is fine, just pointing out style change.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, May 22, 2017 - 06:50 pm: Edit

DONE, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALL WRONG
JTH: The proper designation is FTJ. Rationale: Follows the line of FTS, FTL, FTJ, FTH.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Monday, May 22, 2017 - 07:50 pm: Edit

DONE 23 MAY 2017
HAA conversion cost from HAC seems excessive. Is 6 really what was intended? JAA from JAC is only 1. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22
FEDS: This is okay as you are not converting the pod as much as you are actually building and replacing three aux pods.
LEFT AS IS

JF either this should go or a HF, LF, and SF should be created for completeness & consistency. The HAA and JAA seem to work as the "reference hull". - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22
WE COULD, BUT LET'S NOT.

HAC JAC has conversions from JAA & LAC while the HAC only has the HAA case. Should there be a JAC to HAC conversion route? - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22
ADDED BUT PROBABLY WRONG, SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHILE THEY ARE CONFIRMED.

HAA JAA has conversions from JAC & LAC while the HAA only has the HAC case. Should there be a JAC to HAC conversion route? - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22
ADDED BUT PROBABLY WRONG, SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHILE THEY ARE CONFIRMED.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Monday, May 22, 2017 - 07:50 pm: Edit

DONE 23 MAY 2017
JAA- conversion from LAC should probably be "From LAC/LAA: 3" as LAC/LAA are largely interchanable as conversion sources. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

JAC- conversion from LAC should probably be "From LAC/LAA: 8" as LAC/LAA are largely interchanable as conversion sources. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

HAA if conversion from HAC stays at 6, should this get the minor conversion symbol, or is it in fact a major one? - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

JSCA conversion from JAC is missing "From"- "From JAC: 6+6+18" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Monday, May 22, 2017 - 07:52 pm: Edit

DONE 23 MAY 2017
LYH Ref# needs 'R1.' prefix. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

LAH Ref# needs 'R1.' prefix. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

ASC Ref# needs 'R1.' prefix. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-22

Build cost conversion to AuxPod for L&S hulls seems to be out of scope, so I skipped them.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - 03:02 pm: Edit

FASCINATING!

Hull size upgrade paths given the can of worms it opens (SAC to HAA, SAV to to HAH, galzzions of others), perhaps the best solution is to just outlaw them in the relevant 549.x rule and remove from SIT? Plus one could try to do a downgrade from, say, a JAV to a SAV if there isn't enough pain in play...

NOTES BY SVC: We cannot "not" allow this as the conversions as as simple as tinker toys, just tack on another pod. Converts ICID, infinite conversions in infinite directions.

Every space control ship needs conversions from every smaller carrier, pft, scout, and armed aux.

Every scout needs convresions from every smaller scout and every armed aux.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - 03:03 pm: Edit

ADDED SPACES IN EVERY INSTANCE
Large Aux build costs- "For 2(space)AuxPods..." should not have the (space) or we should retrofit the HAux/JAux to have a space - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

Small Aux build costs- "For 2(space)AuxPods..." should not have the (space) or we should retrofit the HAux/JAux to have a space - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - 03:07 pm: Edit

DONE, INCLUDING ADDING LAP AS PF/ASC TO FED CHART FOR USE IN THE CASE OF THE SECOND WAY.

ASC note should be "Two squadrons: F18(6) and F111(9H)" instead of "F111 & F18 carrier" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

ASC conversions have PFs instead of FTR. "From LAC: 2+6+18" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

ASC conversion from LAP doesn't make sense as the Feds don't have a LAP. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

ASC conversions have PFs instead of FTR. Upgrade trades 6 FTR (@ 1 each) for 9H (@2 each)- +18 -6 = 12 "From LAV: 5+0+12" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

ASC conversions have PFs instead of FTR. "From LAS: 3+6+18" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - 03:08 pm: Edit

DONE 23 MAY
LAR conversion source should be LAC/LAA not SAC/SAA I suspect. "From LAC/LAA: very high" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-23

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - 02:55 pm: Edit

DONE
HSCA: Delete the "P" on the Crippled rating. This ship doesn't have PFs. Garth L. Getgen 23 May 2017
DONE

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - 02:55 pm: Edit

I changed the jumbos to 6/3 but left attack factors alone.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 01:55 am: Edit

I CAN'T FIND THESE BUT MAY HAVE DELETED THEM MYSELF YESTERDAY. 7 JUNE 2017
Removals (if my other report is not suitable):

ASCA (the PFT version, not the F111 version): remove conversion for SVH and SAH (leave SAV and SYH), verify LVH and LAH conversions not in updated version


JSCA (the PFT version, not the F111 version): remove conversion for LVH and LAH (leave LAV and LYH), verify JVH and JAH conversions not in updated version (in Chuck's line items, not in current newest posted SIT)

HSCA (the PFT version, not the F111 version): remove conversion for JVH and JAH (leave JAV and JYH), verify HVH and HAH conversions not in updated version (in Chuck's line items, not in current newest posted SIT)

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 02:00 am: Edit

UNNECESSARY AS NOTE POSTED PRIOR TO THIS TOOK CARE OF THE OUTLAW ISSUE.
Assumption: A20 (@10) and F111 (@9) are not available when the Feds have PFs. The F101 (@8) is the Federation's heavy fighter (same value as everyone else) and remains legal.

I'm not sure if this was the intent, but the following are not listed on the various hulls and are thus assumed to be "From SAux?/LAux?/...". This is how I'd make them illegal. Use this or the previous posting as desired.

Warning: because there is some pending adjustments to the name of the PF carrying SCS versions, I've used alternate designations ("the PFT") for clarity.

SVH conversion "From SAP: N/A"

SAH conversion "From SAP: N/A"

SAP conversion "From SVH/SAH: N/A"

LAH conversion "From SAP/LAP: N/A"
LAH conversion "From ASCA: N/A"

LVH conversion "From SAP/LAP: N/A"
LVH conversion "From ASCA: N/A"

LAP conversion "From SVH/SAH: N/A"
LAP conversion "From LVH/LAH: N/A"

ASCA (the PFT) conversion: "From SVH/SAH: N/A"
ASCA (the PFT) conversion: "From LVH/LAH: N/A"

JAH conversion "From LAP/JAP: N/A"
JAH conversion "From ASCA/JSCA: N/A"

JVH conversion "From LAP/JAP: N/A"
JVH conversion "From ASCA/JSCA: N/A"

JAP conversion "From LVH/LAH: N/A"
JAP conversion "From JVH/JAH: N/A"

JSCA (the PFT) conversion: "From LVH/LAH: N/A"
JSCA (the PFT) conversion: "From JVH/JAH: N/A"

HAH conversion "From JAP/HAP: N/A"
HAH conversion "From JSCA/HSCA: N/A"

HVH conversion "From JAP/HAP: N/A"
HVH conversion "From JSCA/HSCA: N/A"

HAP conversion "From JVH/JAH: N/A"
HAP conversion "From HVH/HAH: N/A"

HSCA (the PFT) conversion: "From JVH/JAH: N/A"
HSCA (the PFT) conversion: "From HVH/HAH: N/A"

FEDS: Assuming ***IF*** ADB wants to do it this way, AND if ADB wants to avoid clutter in the conversion column, then these prohibitions could be posted at the NOTES sections.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 03:21 am: Edit

NOTED
I have no plans to add dozens of "not allowed" notes. A prohibition against having both PFs and F111/A20 is already at the top of the aux section and sufficient to the purpose. I will add a second copy of it to the top and bottom of the Fed SIT.

If the Fed player builds a single F111 or a single A20 then he is forever prohibited from building any PFs. If he builds a single PF then he is forever prohibited from building F111s or A20s.

It occurs to me that we could in theory move all PFT ships to a separate section of the SIT. We could also move all of the F111 and A20 ships to a different section. How fast did it take
You to realize what an incredible mistake that would be?

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 09:29 am: Edit

PROCESSED
I provided two alternatives because I wanted to cover the problem from the succinct to the comprehensive ends. This allows the decision makers to evaluate the choices side by side and decide on merit. Regrettably, as far as I can tell the posted SIT for the Feds and the draft aux SITs lack the do not mix F111/A20 and PF note (I know the SFU well enough to know the do-not-mix rationale) so that hint was not available.

THE NOTE WAS ON THE LAST SEVERAL HEAVY AUX SITS I POSTED. IT WAS THERE BEFORE YOUR POST. YOU MISSED IT; IT WASN'T MISSING.--SVC

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 02:29 pm: Edit

THANKS BUT I KNEW THAT MUCH ALREADY.--SVC

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, June 01, 2017 - 07:42 pm: Edit

THE FTH IS FOUR GEES, AS FOR THE HCG AND HCV I AM NOT SURE WHAT THEY ARE; YOUR DATA WASN'T COMPLETE.

May I once again advocate to make the FTH a 3-8GGGG ship, and allow room for a HCG ship at 6-8GG on the list?? And similarly, add a HCV Assault Carrier with (6) fighter-factors?


Garth L. Getgen

FEDS: That's purely an ADB call whether or not to allow them since they are technically not ADB published ships as far as I know.

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Thursday, June 01, 2017 - 10:35 pm: Edit

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT A JBV IS BUT I DID ASK AROUND.
What about the JBV?
<FONT COLOR="119911"><B>FEDS: The relevant Jumbo Aux Ships for F&E from CL44 are included in the new Aux SIT:

Jumbo Aux Combatant (R1.A23); listed on SIT as JAC
Jumbo Aux Carrier (R1.A24); listed on SIT as JAV
Jumbo Aux Battle Carrier (R1.A25); listed on SIT as JCV
Jumbo Aux PFT (R1.A26); listed on SIT as JAP
Jumbo Aux SCS (R1.A27); listed on SIT as JSC
Jumbo Aux Troop Transport (R1.A28); listed on SIT as FTJ (or JAG)
Jumbo Aux Assault Troop Transport (R1.A31); listed on SIT as JCG</B></FONT>

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, June 02, 2017 - 06:21 pm: Edit

SENT TO STAFF
Should SAC be 2.5 EP in cost? Eitzen 6/2/17

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Friday, June 02, 2017 - 09:01 pm: Edit

SENT TO RYAN/CHUCK
Missing the SAP (AuxPFT) [completes the one-pod set] SWFrazier 170602

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 11:56 am: Edit

SENT TO STAFF
Agree with SAC costing 2.5 line item

Agree with SAP missing (build cost of 6- base hull (2) + PFs (3) + EW=1 (1))

SAR should be 3+Logistical Surcharge to build (unless R factors are now 2 each)

SYH should be 3 to build

SAR should be cheaper to convert if R factors are not 2 each.

FHS (small hospital ship) listed up topic is MIA.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 05:16 pm: Edit

DONE7 JUNE 2017
SMALL AUXES

This report only includes suggestions to ADD, CHANGE, or REMOVE data. If correct data was found on the Draft SMALL Aux SIT, then it was ignored in this report to avoid data “OK” clutter.

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Ship: FTS SAG
FEDS: Recommend sticking with “G” suffix as is done with other F&E ground assault units like other DDG, DWG, CWG, CLG, etc.
Build: OK
Add to Notes: Consorts or optional escorts under (521.37).
========
Ship: SAC
Build: Change 2 to 2.5
FEDS: Each combatant pod has an added premium of 0.5 EP.
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Ship: SAV
Build: OK
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
========
Ship: SAR
Build: OK
From SAux: change 3 to 2
FEDS: Each added “R” factor (four repair points) costs 2 EP.
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Ship: SVH
Date: Y178 (data from Fed MSC and supported by Fed MSSB R1.76-2 Chart)
Build: OK
From SAV: Change 1+4 to 0+4
From SYH: 0+2
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
FEDS: Per (530.222) there is no changeover cost to transition standard fighters to heavy fighters (excluding F-111 carriers with their external bays)
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Ship: SYH
Ref: R1.76
Date: Y176 (data from Fed MSSB R1.76-2 Chart)
Build: Change 2+8 to 3+8
From SAV: Change 1+2 to 0+2
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
FEDS: Per (530.222) there is no changeover cost to transition to heavy fighters (excluding F-111 carriers with their external bays)
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Ship: SAH
Date: Y178* (Move rule reference to note section)
Build: OK
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27). *Limit one in service before Y180 (527.24).
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Ship: SAP (Missing)
Ref: R1.27A
Factors: 0-2P*/0-1P
Prod: AO
CR: 3
Y181F
SAux(4)
From SAS: 3+¶
From SAux: 4+¶
Build: For 1 Aux Pod: 6+¶ (549.121)
Salv: 0.500
Notes: Small Auxiliary PFT (526.4); scout EW=1; up to two optional escorts under (526.442). Used only if the Federation builds PFs.
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Ship: FHS SAM (Missing)
Ref: R1.61
Factors: 0-2M/0-1
Prod: Future
CR: 0
Y120
SAux(4)
Build: 3
From SAux: 1
Salv: 0.500
Notes: Small Auxiliary Hospital Ship (526.4); up to two optional escorts under (451.43).
========

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 10:13 pm: Edit

SENT TO STAFF 7 JUNE 2017
LAC - From SAC change 2 to 2.5 (pod plus combat)
JAA - From JAA (change to JAux?)
JAC - From JAA change 5 to 1.5 (3 combat)
JAC - From LAC change 2 to 2.5 (pod plus combat)
JAC - From LAA change 1 to 3.5 (pod plus 3 combat)
JAH - From LAH change 2 to 4+6 (pod + CV + 6 ftr)
JAH - From JAux? change 3+18 to 2+6+18 (cv + ftr + hftr)
JAH - From LAux? change 5+18 to 4+6+18 (pod + cv + ftr + hftr)
HAC - From HAA change 1 to 2 (4 combat)
HAC - From JAC change 2 to 2.5 (pod plus combat)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 04:37 am: Edit

DONE 7 JUNE 2017
LARGE AUXES

This report only includes suggestions to ADD, CHANGE, or REMOVE data. If correct data was found on the Draft LARGE Aux SIT, then it was ignored in this report to avoid data “OK” clutter.

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Ship: LAA
Ref: R1.21
CHANGE SAA to SAux: 2
Build: OK
=======
Ship: FTL LAG
Add to Notes: Consorts or optional escorts under (521.37).
=======
Ship: FHL LAM
CHANGE LAux: 1 to 2 (M2)
CHANGE From FHS 2 to FHS/SAM: 3 (POD2 + M1)
CHANGE SAux: 3 to 4 (POD2 + M2)
Notes: up to two optional escorts under (451.43).
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Ship: LAR
Build: Change 6 to 8 (POD4 + R2 + R2)
Add “From” before LAux
CHANGE From SAR: 2+LS to 4+LS (adds POD2+R2)
CHANGE From SAux: 4+LS to 6+LS (adds POD2+R2+R2)
Notes: Repair points = 8.
FEDS: Each ADDED “R” factor has an added premium of 2 EP EACH.
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Ship: LAC
OK
=======
Ship: LAS
OK
=======
Ship: LAV
CHANGE From SVH: 2+2 to 3+2 (adds POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From SYH: 2+4 to 3+4 (adds POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From SAV: 2+6 to 3+6 (adds POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From SAux: 2+12 to 4+12 (adds POD2 + BAY2)
Build: OK
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
=======
Ship: LYH
LAV: CHANGE 3+2 to 0+2 Per (530.222) there is no changeover cost to transition standard fighters to heavy fighters (excluding F-111 carriers with their external bays)
From LAux: CHANGE 2+8 to 2+14 (adding aux ftrs 8Y6 = 14)
ADD From SVH: 3+4
ADD From SYH: 3+6
CHANGE From SAV: 2+2 to 3+8 (adds POD2 + ftr bay 1 + 8HF)
CHANGE From SAux: 2+8 to 4+14 (add POD2 + BAYS2 + 8H6)
Build: OK
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
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Ship: LAH
CHANGE Year: Y180 to Y178* MOVE rule reference to notes section (see below). (Data from MSC and R2.104)
CHANGE From LAV 2+6 to 3+6 (convert to external bay 1 + 2EW)
CHANGE From LAS: 4+18 to 1+18 (add external bay 1 + 0EW)
ADD From LYH: 3+4 (convert to external bay 1 + 2EW)
ADD From LVH: 3+2 (convert to external bay 1 + 2EW)
CHANGE From LAux: CHANGE 6+18 to 4+18 (BAY2 + 2EW)
ADD to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27). *Limit one in service before Y180 (527.24). 
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Ship: LVH
Factors: CHANGE fighters (10V) to (10V6) and crippled factors (5V) to (5V3)
FEDS: The Fed MSSB under (R1.75-2) lists them with one A-20 (10) squadron and one F-18 (6) squadron.
Year: Y177 REMOVE rule reference as it applied only to F-111 carriers. (Date from Fed MSSB R1.75-2 Chart)
CHANGE From LAV: 2+0 to 0+4 Per (530.222) there is no changeover cost to transition standard fighters to heavy fighters (excluding F-111 carriers with their external bays)
ADD From LYH: 0+2
CHANGE From LAux: 4+10 to 2+16 (BAYS2)
ADD From SAV: 3+10 (POD2+BAY1)
ADD From SYH: 3+8 (POD2+BAY1)
CHANGE From SVH: 2+4 to 3+6 (POD2+BAY1)
CHANGE From SAH: 2+4 to 4+0 (POD2+BAY1+convert from external Bay1)
CHANGE From SAux: 2+10 to 4+16 (POD2 + BAYS2 + 16FtrFactors)
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
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Ship: LAP
CHANGE Year: Y182 to Y181F Per (600.22), Federation-PF2 (PFT intro) date is Fall Y181.
Y181F
CHANGE From LAux: 2+6+¶ to 5+¶ (adds EW2 + PFT3; this PFT has no fighters)
REMOVE From LAV (it’s the same cost From LAux)
CHANGE From LAS: 3+6+¶ to 3+¶ (this PFT has no fighters)
CHANGE From SAP: 2 to 3 (adds Pod2 + EW1)
CHANGE From SAux: 6+¶ to 7+¶ (adds Pod2 + EW2 + PFT3)
ADD Notes: up to two optional escorts under (526.442).
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Ship: ASC LSC CHANGE to read: ASCA LSCA
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO; the designators are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as ASCA LSCA because it carries PFs. Other Fed SCSs with PFs are listed as SCA and SDA with the “A” suffix.
REMOVE From LAC (it’s the same cost From LAux)
CHANGE From LAP: 2+6 to 1+6 (adds BAY1)
CHANGE From LAS: 3+6+¶ to 4+6+¶ (adds BAY1 + PFT3)
CHANGE From LAux: 2+6+¶ to 6+6+¶ (adds BAY1 + EW2 + PFT3)
REMOVE From SAH: (Prohibited - Cannot operate PFs and with F-111s)
CHANGE From SAS: 3+6+¶ to 6+6+¶ (adds POD2 + BAY1 + PFT3)
CHANGE From SAP: 3+6 to 4+6 (adds POD2 + EW1 + BAY1)
ADD From SAux: 3+¶ to 8+6¶ (adds POD2 + BAY1 + EW2 + PFT3)
Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
========
Ship: ASCA LSCA CHANGE to read: ASC LSC
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO; the designators are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as ASC LSC because it carries F-111s.
CHANGE From LAC: 2+6+18 to 4+6+18 (BAY2+EW2)
CHANGE From LAP: (Prohibited - Cannot operate PFs concurrent with F-111s)
CHANGE From LAV: 5+18 to 3+0+12 (add ExtBay1+EW2+12FtrFactors)
CHANGE From LAS: 3+6+18 to 2+6+18 (adds BAY2)
ADD From LAux: 6+6+18 (adds BAY2 + EW2)
CHANGE From SAH: 3+6+0 to 4+6+0 (POD2 + EW1 + BAY1)
CHANGE From SAS: 3+6+18 to 4+6+18 (adds POD2 + BAY1 + EW1)
CHANGE From SAV: 5+6+12 to 5+0+18 (adds F-111s cost 18)
CHANGE From SAux: 5+6+18 to 8+6+18 (adds POD2 + BAY2 + EW2)
Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
========

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 10:29 am: Edit

DONE 7 JUNE 2017
LYH - Add to notes "Two squadrons: F18(6) and F101(8Y)" this makes it consistent with other mixed FTR wing notes

LVH - Add to notes "Two squadrons: F18(6) and A20(10V)" consistency again

LVH - confirming factor change

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 04:36 am: Edit

DONE 6 JUNE 2017
HEAVY AUXES

This report only includes suggestions to ADD, CHANGE, or REMOVE data. If correct data was found on the Draft Heavy Aux SIT, then it was ignored in this report to avoid data “OK” clutter.

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Ship: HAA
CHANGE From JAux: 2 (adds POD2)
SVC; IT ALREADY SAYS 2, NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.
========
Ship: FHH HAM
Ref: Future
CR=0
Y175
From HAux: 2 (M2)
From FHL/JAM: 2 (POD2: no added medical capacity above FHL/JAM)
From JAux: 4 (POD2 + M2)
=======
Ship: HAV
ADD From HAA: 3+12 (BAYS2 + 3AF)
ADD From FTH/HAG: 2+12 (BAYS2 + 2AF)

CHANGE From JAV/JYH/JVH: 2 (POD2)
ADD From JAH: 3 (POD2 + IntBAY1)
ADD From JCV: 3+6 (POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From JAA/FTJ/JAG: 4+12 (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1)
CHANGE From JAux?: 2+12 to 4+12 (POD2 + BAYS2)
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Ship: FTH HAG
CHANGE From FTJ/JAG: 2 (POD2)
=======
HAS
Nothing to Report
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Ship HAC
CHANGE From HAA 1 to 6 (6AF)
ADD From FTH/HAG: 4 (4AF)
ADD From HAux: 3 (3AF)

CHANGE From JAA: 2 to 6 (POD2 + 4AF)
CHANGE From JAC: 2 (POD2)
ADD From FTJ/JAG: 4 (POD2 + 2AF)
ADD: From JAux: 3 (POD2 + 1AF)

Build: OK
=======
Ship: HAH
ADD From HAC/HAR/HAS/JCG: 2+6+18 (BAYS2)
ADD From HYH: 1+6+10 (ExtBAY1)
ADD From HVH: 1+6+8 (ExtBAY1)
ADD From HAA: 6+6+18 (BAYS2 + AF3)
ADD From FTH/HAG: 3+6+18 (BAYS2 + AF1)
CHANGE From HAux: 3+6+18 to 2+6+18 (BAYS2)

ADD JAA: (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1)
ADD From JAV: 3+0+12 (POD2 + ExtBAY1)
CHANGE From JAux: 3+6+18 to 4+6+18 (POD2 + BAYS2)
========
Ship: HVH
ADD From HYH: 0+2
ADD From HAA: 3+16 (BAYS2 + 1AF)

ADD From JCV: 3+10 (POD2+ BAY1)
ADD From JYH: 3+2 (POD2)
ADD From JVH: 2+0 (POD2)
CHANGE From JAH/JSC: 2 to 3+0 (POD2 + IntBAY1)
CHANGE From JSCA 2+10 to 3+12 (POD2 + BAY1)
ADD From JAA: 5+16 (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1)
CHANGE From JAux?: 2+16 to 4+16 (POD2 + BAYS2)
========
Ship: HYH
Add HAA: 3+14 (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1)

ADD From JAA: 5+14 (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1)
CHANGE JCV/JSCA: 2+8 to 3+8 (POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From JVH/JYH/JAH to JVH/JYH: 2+0 (POD2)
ADD From JAH: 3+0 (POD2 + IntBAY1)
From JAux: 4+14 (POD2 + BAYS2)
=======
Ship: HAR
Build: Change 10 to 12 (PODS8 + R2 + R2)

From HAux: 4+LS (R2+R2)

From JAR: 2+LS (adds POD2; does not add to repair capacity)
ADD From JAux: 6+LS (adds POD2+R2+R2)
ADD to Notes: Repair points = 8.
FEDS: Each ADDED “R” factor has an added premium of 2 EP EACH.
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Ship: HAP
CHANGE Year: Y182F to Y181F Per (600.22), Federation-PF2 (PFT intro) date is Fall Y181.

ADD From HAA: 6+¶ (EW2 + PFT3 +1AF)

CHANGE From JAA/FTJ to JAA: 8+¶ (POD2 + EW2 +PFT3 + AF1) (FTJ is now in JAux)
CHANGE From JAS: 5+¶ (POD2 + PFT3)

ADD Notes: up to two optional escorts under (526.442).
========
Ship: HSCA CHANGE to read: HSC
Ref: Future
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO. These designators are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as HSC because it carries F-111s.

ADD From HAA: 5+6+18 (BAYS2 + AF1 + 2EW)
CHANGE From HAux?: 5+6+18 to 4+6+18 (BAYS2 + 2EW)
CHANGE From HAS: 5+6+18 to 2+6+18 (BAYS2)
CHANGE From HAV: 4+0+12 to 3+0+12 (ExtBAY1 + 2EW)
ADD From HYH: 3+0+10 (ExtBAY1 + 2EW)
ADD From HVH: 3+0+8 (ExtBAY1 + 2EW)

CHANGE From JAH: 2+6 to 2+0 (POD2)
CHANGE From JAV: 5+0+12 (POD2 + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
CHANGE From JAS: 4+6+18 (POD2 + BAYS2)
CHANGE From JAux?: 6+6+18 (POD2 + EW2 + BAYS2)
ADD From JYH: 5+0+10 (POD2 + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
ADD From JVH: 5+0+8 (POD2 + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
ADD From JAA: 7+6+18 (POD2 + 1AF + EW2 + BAYS2)
CHANGE From JASC: 2 to 2+0+0 (POD2)
=======
Ship: HSC CHANGE to read: HSCA
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO. The designators for the PF and F-111 models are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as HSCA because it carries PFs. Other Fed SCSs with PFs are listed as SCA and SDA with the “A” suffix.

CHANGE Year: Y182F to Y181F Per (600.22), Federation-PF2 (PFT intro) date is Fall Y181.

CHANGE From HAux?: 7+6+¶ to 6+6+¶ (BAY1 + EW2 + PFT3)
CHANGE HAS: 5+6+¶ to 4+6+¶ (BAY1 + PFT3)
CHANGE From HAV to HAV/HYH/HVH: 5+¶ to 5+0+¶ (EW2 + PFT3)
CHANGE From HAP: 2+6 to 1+6 (BAY1)
ADD HAA: 9+6+¶ (BAY1 + AF3 + EW2 + PFT3)

CHANGE From JAP: 2+2+6 to 3+6 (POD2 + BAY1)
CHANGE From JAV to JAV/HYH/HVH: 7+¶ (POD2 + EW2 + PFT3)
CHANGE From JAS: 2+3+¶ to 6+6+¶ (POD2 + BAY1 + PFT3)
ADD From JAA: 9+6+¶ (POD2 + BAY1 + AF1 + EW2 + PFT3)
CHANGE From JAux?: 2+5+6+¶ to 8+6+¶ (POD2 + BAY1 + EW2 + PFT3)
ADD From JCV: 5+0+¶ (EW2+PFT3)
ADD From JSCA: 2+0 (POD2)
=======

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 08:18 pm: Edit

DONE 7 JUNE 2017
JUMBO AUXES

This report only includes suggestions to ADD, CHANGE, or REMOVE data. If correct data was found on the Draft Jumbo Aux SIT, then it was ignored in this report to avoid data “OK” clutter. -FEDS

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Ship: JAA
CHANGE From JAA: 1 to From LAux: 2 (adds POD2)
=======
Ship JAC
CHANGE From JAA to JAA/FTJ/JAG: 5 (5AF)
ADD From JCG/JCV: 2 (2AF)
ADD From JAux: 4 (4AF)

From LAA: 1 to 5 (POD2 + 3AF)
From LAC: 2 to 2 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD: From LAux: 6 (POD2 + 4AF)

CHANGE Build: 7 to 7.5 [PODS6 + (3 x 0.5 combatant premium)]
=======
Ship: JAH
ADD From JAC/JAR/JAS/JCG: 2+6+18 (BAYS2)
ADD From JAV: 1+0+12 (ExtBAY1)
ADD From JYH: 1+6+10 (ExtBAY1)
ADD From JVH: 1+6+8 (ExtBAY1)
ADD From JCV: 1+0+18 (ExtBAY1)
CHANGE From JAux: 3+18 to 3+6+18 (BAYS2 + 1AF + 6 ftr + 18 HF111)

CHANGE From LAH 2 to 3 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD From LAV: 4+0+12 (POD2 + 1AF + ExtBAY1)
ADD From LYH: 4+0+10 (POD2 + 1AF + ExtBAY1)
ADD From LVH: 4+0+8 (POD2 + 1AF + ExtBAY1)
CHANGE From LAux: 5+18 to 4+6+18 (POD2 + BAYS2)

ADD to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
=======
Ship: JAP
CHANGE Year: Y170 to Y181F Per (600.22), Federation-PF2 (PFT intro) date is Fall Y181.

ADD From JAA: 6+¶ (EW2 + PFT3 +1AF)

From LAS: 6+¶ (POD2 + PFT3 +1AF)
ADD From LAP: 2 (POD2)
From LAux?: 7+¶ (POD2 + PFT3 + EW2)

ADD Notes: up to two optional escorts under (526.442).
=======
Ship: JAR
Build: Change 8 to 10 (PODS6 + R2 + R2)

From JAux: 4+LS (R2+R2)
From LAR: 2+LS (adds POD2; does not add to repair capacity)

ADD From LAux: 6+LS (adds POD2+R2+R2)
ADD to Notes: Repair points = 8.
FEDS: Each ADDED “R” factor has an added premium of 2 EP EACH.
=======
JAS
From JAux?: 3 (EW3)
From LAS: 2 (POD2)
From LAux?: 5 (POD2 + EW3)
=======
Ship: JAV
ADD From JAA: 3+12 (BAYS2 + 1AF)
From JAux?: 2+12

From LAV/LYH/LVH: 3 (POD2 + 1AF)
From LAux?: 4+12 (POD2 + BAYS2)

Build: OK
Add to Notes: optional escorts under (515.27).
=======
Ship: JCG
Factors should read 6GG/3G
ADD From JAA: 4 (3AF + GG1)
ADD From JAC: 1 (GG1)
ADD From FTJ/JAG: 3 (3AF)
From JAux?: 3 (2AF+ GG1)

From LAux?: 4 (POD2 + 1AF + GG1)
From FTL: 3 (POD2 +1AF)
ADD From LAC: (POD2 + GG1)
Add to Notes: Consorts or optional escorts under (521.37).
=======
Ship: JCV
ADD From JAA: 4+6 (3AF+BAY1)
ADD From JAC/JCG: 1+6 (BAY1)
ADD From JAV/JYH/JVH: 2 (AF2)
From JAux: 3+6 (2AF + BAY1)
REMOVE the HAV/HAux items.

From LAA: 4+6 (POD2 + AF1 + BAY1)
From LAC: 3+6 (POD2 + BAY1)
From LAV/LYH/LVH: 5 (POD2 + 3AF)
From LAux: 5+6 (POD2 + 3AF)
NOTES: Jumbo Auxiliary Assault Carrier
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Ship: JSC CHANGE to read: JSCA
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO. The designators for the PF and F-111 models are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as JSCA because it carries PFs. Other Fed SCSs with PFs are listed as SCA and SDA with the “A” suffix.

CHANGE From JAux?: 7+6+¶ to 6+6+¶ (BAY1 + EW2 + PFT3)
CHANGE From JAV to JAV/JYH/JVH: 5+0+¶
From JAP: 2+6 to 3+6 (BAY1 + EW2)
ADD JAA: 7+6+¶ (BAY1 + AF1 + EW2 + PFT3)
ADD From JCV: 5+0+¶ (EW2+PFT3)

From LAS: 8+6+¶ (POD2 + AF2 + BAY1 + PFT3)
From LAV/LYH/LVH: 8+¶ (POD2 + AF1 + EW2 + PFT3)
From LAP: 4+6 (POD2 + BAY1 + 1AF)
ADD From ASCA/LSCA: 3 (POD2 + AF1)
From LAux?: 9+6+¶ (POD2 + BAY1 + AF1 + EW2 + PFT3)
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Ship: JSCA CHANGE to read: JSC
Ref: Future
FEDS: The Federation ASC counter with F-111s was published in AO. These designators are mismatched on this SIT. This unit should be listed as JSC because it carries F-111s.

ADD From JAA/FTL: 6+6+18 to 5+6+18 (BAYS2 + AF1 + 2EW)
CHANGE From JAux?: 6+6+18 to 4+6+18 (BAYS2 + 2EW)
CHANGE From JAS: 5+6+18 to 2+6+18 (BAYS2)
CHANGE From JAV: 4+0+12 to 3+0+12 (BAY1 + 2EW)
ADD From JYH: 3+0+10 (BAY1 + 2EW)
ADD From JVH: 3+0+8 (BAY1 + 2EW)

From LAS: 8+6+18 (POD2 + 4AF + BAYS2)
From LAV: 8+0+12 (POD2 + 3AF + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
ADD From LYH: 8+0+10 (POD2 + 3AF + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
ADD From LVH: 8+0+8 (POD2 + 3AF + EW2 + ExtBAY1)
ADD From LAH: 5 (POD2 + 3AF)
ADD From LAA: 7+6+18 (POD2 + 1AF + EW2 + BAYS2)
ADD From LAC: 6+6+18 (POD2 + EW2 + BAYS2)
From LAux?: 9+6+18 (POD2 + 3AF + EW2 + BAYS2)
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Ship: FTJ JAG
ADD From JCG: 1 (GG1)
From JAux: 2 (GGGG2)
From FTL: 3 (POD2 + GG1)
From LAux?: 4 (POD2 + GGGG2)
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Ship: JVH
From JAV: 0+2 to 0+4 (ten A-20s)
ADD From JYH: 0+2
ADD From JCV: 1+10 (BAY1)
From JAux?: 2+14 to 2+16 (BAYS2; ten A-20s)

From LAV: 3+4 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD From LYH 3+2 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD From LAH: 5+0 (POD2 + 1AF + BAY1 + IntBAY1)
ADD From LAA/LAC: 4+16 (POD2 + BAYS2)
ADD From LAS: 6+16 (POD2 + 2AF + BAYS2)
From LAux?: 5+16 (POD2 + 1AF + BAYS2)
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Ship: FHJ JAM
CR=0
From JAux: 2 (M2)
From FHL/LAM: 2 (POD2: no added medical capacity above FHL/LAM)
From LAux: 4 (POD2 + M2)
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Ship: JYH
From JAV: 0+2
From JAux?: 2+14

From LAV: 3+2 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD From LVH: 3+0 (POD2 + 1AF)
ADD From LAH: 4+0 (POD2 + IntBAY1 + 1AF)
ADD From LAA/LAC: 4+14 (POD2 + BAYS2)
ADD From LAS: 6+14 (POD2 + BAYS2 + 2AF)
From LAux: 5+14 (POD2 + BAYS2 + 1AF)
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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 05:25 pm: Edit

DONE 7 JUNE 2017
Ship: HAV


PLEASE RESTORE - SUBMISSION TYPO

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT><P>CHANGE From JAA/FTJ/JAG: 4+12 (POD2 + BAYS2 + AF1) Should read 5+12
CHANGE From JAux?: 2+12 to 4+12 (POD2 + BAYS2)
AS BOTH ARE THE SAME COST 4+12 WE DO NOT NEED BOTH ENTRIES. JAux will cover the others.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 08:07 pm: Edit

DONE 8 JUNE 2017
GOOD WORK, HOWARD, NOBODY IS BETTER THAN YOU ON THE DETAILS
Pass one- mixing F111/A20 & PF conversion review

HAS conversion from JSC/JSCA should be removed. Per notes, SCS conversions can only be enlarged not converted to other types - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

HAH conversion from JSC should be removed. Per notes, SCS conversions can only be enlarged not converted to other types - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

HVH conversion from JSC should be removed. Per notes, SCS conversions can only be enlarged not converted to other types - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

HAP conversion from JSC should be removed. Per notes, SCS conversions can only be enlarged not converted to other types - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

HSCA conversion from HVH - nuke. Per notes, PFs are mutually exclusive with F111/A20 fighters. - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

FEDS: CONCURS with all above but does not see the HAP-SCS on the SIT.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 08:08 pm: Edit

DONE 8 JUNE 2017
GOOD WORK HOWARD, THANKS CHUCK
JSCA conversion from LVH & JVH - nuke. Per notes, PFs are mutually exclusive with F111/A20 fighters. - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

ASCA conversions- confirming no A20/F111 conversion issues. - Howard Bampton 2017-06-07

FEDS: CONCURS.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 09:59 pm: Edit

DONE
The Aux? are all gone now.
THESE WERE TEDIOUS TO DO AS EXCEL DOESN'T LIKE SEARCHING FOR QUESTION MARKS, BUT I AM PRETTY SURE I CAUGHT THEM ALL.

I discovered a blank cell (HYH conversions) and don't know why it's blank. The most recent back up is yesterday. I need CHUCK STRONG to let me know which of today's corrections got lost.

CHUCK SAID THURSDAY MORNING OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT THAT HE SENT A REPORT, BUT I NEVER GOT IT. I DID, HOWEVER, FIND HIS ORIGINAL REPORT AND DETERMINED THAT WITH ONE TYPO EXCEPTION THE DATA I POSTED MATCHED HIS LATEST REPORT.

By James Cain (Jcain) on Friday, June 09, 2017 - 06:31 pm: Edit

DONE 13 JUNE 17
The conversion to HAR from JAR cost is "2" but the conversion to JAR from LAR is "2+LS". Neither of these conversions add an "R" to the counter, so since there is no change in the repair capacity, shouldn't the conversion to JAR from LAR be just "2"?

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Friday, June 09, 2017 - 08:28 pm: Edit

DON 13 JUNE 17
HAC - From JAC: 2 should be 2.5 [pod + combat]
JAC - From LAC: 2 should be 2.5 [pod + combat]
LAC - From SAC: 2 should be 2.5 [pod + combat]

FEDS: CONCURS.

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Friday, June 09, 2017 - 11:57 pm: Edit

DONE 13 JUNE17
SAP - Factors are missing the crippled 'P'; should be 0-2P[scout]/0-1P instead of 0-2P[scout]/0-1. -- James Lowry, 6/9/17


FEDS: CONCURS.

By James Lowry (Rindis) on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 03:48 pm: Edit

DONE 13 JUNE 2017
JAP - This lists a flat 2EW in the notes. Meanwhile, the JSC[A] has variable EW, and the HAP has variable EW equivalent to the HSC[A]. I don't know the pods involved, but it looks like the JAP should be noted to use '(2EW:2AF)(1EW:4AF)'. -- James Lowry, 6/10/17

FEDS: (2EW:2AF)(1EW:4AF) are the correct EW numbers.