This is a General War game between Bill Steele as the Coalition and myself as the Alliance. We are using the 2010 Rules, Combined Ops, Fighter Ops 2016, Advanced Ops, Planetary Ops, Strategic Ops, Parts of Minor Empires and some stuff from various Captain's Logs.

No Fighter-PF or Drone Raids. Battleships available to all empires using (436.21). No Variable Admirals or Variable MMGs. The Selts appear if the Klingons invade the Tholians at the date scheduled in Minor Empires. Vudar tribute is paid under (547.113).

The BBLs in CL#41 and CL#42 are available as well as the B9 to Empires. Federation Fast Escorts (CL#43), Gunfighter Frigates (CL#28), Lyran CL variants (CL#46), Klingon C10A (CL#46), and Lyran BCB (CL#50).

Light Escorts cost 0.5 EPs to convert and 0.5 EPs over the base hull cost. FCRs are built or converted as listed on the 2015 SITs.

We are using Cyberboard to play this game.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, April 07, 2017 - 09:03 pm: Edit

This scenario has changed in that we are playing with the Carnivons and Paravians under a modified Howling Winds and Winds Aloft start to the General War. The Vudar and LDR are in play under a optional rule from Howling Winds. So we are playing with all the empires.

There is no F168 turn except the Federation have their lone DN activated and added to the 3rd Fleet. We are starting from the Spring of Y169 with the Lyrans attacking the Hydrans on teh coalition half of the turn and the Gorns attacking the Paravians on the Alliance half of the turn.

Vudar tribute is removed because the Vudar are active on the side of the Alliance.

The Romulans use the CL#48 Fleet Setup but all units are Hawks only based on the CL#34 Romulan changes to the Order of Battle. SkyHawks and Sparrow Hawks are modular and can change on the Fly. The FireHawks and heavier ships can be converted but only during the 2B3C of the SOP.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, April 07, 2017 - 09:40 pm: Edit

How are you using Cyberboard to do Paravians and Carnivons?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, April 07, 2017 - 10:00 pm: Edit

Lar's made a LSM map with the Paravians on it. I used different colored hex lines to mark changes to the Lyrans and Kzintis and make the Carnivon borders. Lar's going to make a Carnivon version of the LSM in the new game box. I'll see if I can talk him into making one that has both on it.

A lot of the ships have to have text notes to show the correct factors for the Paravians, Carnivons and Vudar and to some extent the LDR.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, April 07, 2017 - 10:53 pm: Edit

I would love a version that had both as well as Seltorian, Vudar and LDR units.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 08:16 pm: Edit

After some number crunching on the economies of both sides as a whole, Each Empire is getting the base hulls listed on their Fall of Y168 Order of Battle. The LDR used 3 of their 4 Aux Pods for a SAC and LAC. The Vudar used their 2 Aux Pods for a LAC. to stick with the base hull(s) and no variants unless a given Empire's published PWC listed them.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 01:40 pm: Edit

Econ for Coalition of Spring Y169:

LDR: 11 EPs
Build CWA, MP, and SAC for 10
Balance 1 EP

KLingons: 140 EPs (the Vudar have taken their capital province from the Klingons)
Build: C8, D6M, D7E, D5V, AD5, D5D, D5H, MD5, 4xD5, E4R, E4T, 4xF5, 2xE4T,E4, Survey Slot for new D7E
Convert: D6 to D6S, D6 to D6D
Balance: 0.5EPs

Lyrans: 95 EPs
Build: DN, SR, CVL (6xFree Fighters), CWE, CWS, 3xDW, 3xFF, Survey Slot
Convert: 3xFF to 3xDWS
Balance: 10.5EPs
Wyn Trade: 3 EPs
Transfer to Allies: 5EPs
Final Balance: 2.5 EPs

Carnivons: War Time Economy, but no balance
Build: CVS, CWE, FFE, 2xSc Pod
Balance: 0 EPs

Romulans: War Time Economy, but no balance
Build: NH, FH, 4xSP, 6xSK, 2xSEH
Balance: 0 EPs

Paravians: 31.5 EPs (Peacetime Economy)
Build: CC, CA, 2xCW, DW
Balance 0.5 EPs

Bill did forget to add his Prime Teams for the Lyrans, Klingons, and LDR. ENG for the Lyrans is active.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 01:46 pm: Edit

Some Notes for those who are going to question some of the builds.

We are using (433.3) for all variants except for PFTs, Fed NAC, NVS, and NPF and Lyran Maualers which are limited to actual their SIT dates.

So the Lyrans can build carriers earlier, the ISC can build BCVs earlier, All sorts of other units can be built from turn 1 (Spring Y169) depending on the empire.

Obviously NCAs don't appear until their actual SIT date, but the variants of NCAs except PFTs are available then.

Heavy Fighter Carriers are not available till their SIT date as they are treated like PFTs.

Bill and I are aware that this game is probably not balanced. Even with not using (433.3) it would probably not be balanced.

I am working on writing the scenario up in a scenario format that could be published.

The SPHs are SPTs from R9. I've made a conjectural SIT of the FHT and PODs in R9 for our use in this game. As noted earlier we are using only Hawk class ships in this scenario. This left the Romulans without tugs. So this is the fix for that. The Romulans don't start with any pods but can build them.

By Bill Steele (Bill83501) on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 12:30 am: Edit

Even though balance is probably way out somewhere, it will be fun to figure out where. seeing Gorns, Romulans, ISC and all the minor empires get to fight from the jump is a kick!

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 - 10:05 am: Edit

The Lyrans and LDR have crossed into Hydran space.

So far battlehexes are 0416, 0515, and 0714

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 07:27 am: Edit

The BATS in 0315 has died in exchange for a crippled Lyran CL and DD. The BATS in 0714 has died for a crippled Lyran DD.

Battles remain in 0416 and 0514.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, May 01, 2017 - 09:56 pm: Edit

0714 also saw a Lyran FF crippled.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 09:46 pm: Edit

The battle in 0515 was resolved this morning. The Lyrans lose a CL and crippled DW in exchanged for a a crippled CU and some fighters. The Lyran CL and Hydran CU are the results of directed damage by both sides.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, May 03, 2017 - 09:25 am: Edit

The battle of Phtaha III in 0416 went horribly wrong for the Lyrans when a Hydran Reserve fleet showed up. The Hydrans were able to muster a 100+ line for the first round to the Lyran 45 pt line. While the rolls in this round favored the Lyrans with a Lyran 4, and Hydran 1. The Lyrans were unable to do more than cripple a CU. Both sides retreated 0415. Disaster struck the Lyran Fleet when the Varibale BIR went up by 2 and the combat rolls favored the Hydrans. Lyrans rolled a 2 while the Hydrans rolled a 5. The Lyrans left with a DN intact and a crippled FF. A SC made it to the repair depot while the Hydrans captured a DW. The Lyran dead from this battle are a CA, CL, DD, and FF.

Total dead:
Lyrans: CA, 2xCL, DD, FF, SC (Depot), DW (Captured)
Hydrans 2xBATS

Total Crippled:
Lyrans: CL, DW, 2xDD, 2xFF
Hydrans: 3xCU

By Bill Steele (Bill83501) on Thursday, May 04, 2017 - 10:56 pm: Edit

It is with sad hearts that we report that admiral Kitten Without Claws was so despondent after the battle of Phtaha III that he jettisoned himself out an airlock. The security tape has been destroyed to save the family from ever seeing it.

Admiral "kinetic strike" Lungripper will take over command of the enemy blood fleet

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Spring of Y169 Alliance Construction:

Federation: PWC of CVB+DE+FF, FFS, Prime Team.
Tholian: PWC of DN, PC.

Hydrans: 72 EPs available (-2 for disrupted provinces)
Repairs:
0515 CU: 1
Construction:
PAL (activation): 5+0
TG (sub for RN): 6+0.5, 0.5 Free Fighter Factors
NSC (sub for HR): 8, 1.5 Free Fighter Factors
2xAH, FCR (sub for 3xHN): 9.5+6
4xPDU (Capital): 12+16
Prime Team: 0
Conversions:
0215: DG to LB: 2
1017: RN+LN to CV+DE: 3+0.5 8.5 Free Fighter Factors
Balance: 0.5

Kzintis: 89 EPs Available
Repairs: None
Construction:
CVS (sub for BC): 12 6 Free Fighter Factors
MEC+MSC (sub for 2xCM): 14
DD 6
FFK+FKE+FCR (sub for 3xFF): 10+6
Prime Team: 0
4xPDU (Capital): 12+16
Conversions:
1401: BC+CL+FF to CVS+CLE+FKE: 4.5 6 Free Fighter Factors
1102: CL to CLD: 3
1704: 3xCL to 3xCLE: 3
OM-SB: CL+DF to CLE+SDF: 2
Balance: 0.5

Vudar: 13 EPs available
CL: 6
2xFF: 5
SAC: 2
Prime Team: 0
Balance: 0

Gorn: 75 EPs available
Repairs: None
Construction:
DNE: 18
TG (sub for BC): 6
HD, HDE, HDS, LTT (sub for 3xHD): 24
2xBDE (sub for 2xBD): 9
2xDD: 6
Prime Team: 0
Survey Slot: 3
Conversions:
4402: CL to SR: 5
4403: CL to CVS: 4 6 Free Fighter Factors
Balance: 0

ISC: 72.5 EP Available
Repairs: None
Construction:
DNE: 18
CA: 10.5
CS+CLS (sub for 2xCL): 17
2xDD: 8
2xFF: 6
Prime Team: 0
Conversions
5609: CAT to CC: 3
6008: CAT to CC: 3
5512: CAT to CC: 3
5910 SB-1: CAT to CC: 3
OM-SB: CL to CS: 1
Balance: 0

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 05:09 pm: Edit

Survey Rolls:

Kzintis:
6, 3, 2
Total 11

Hydrans:
5,5,2
Total 12

Gorns:
5,6
Total 11

Gorns
Off Map Ship Release Roll
6: TG (The 2 EPs have not been paid to refit this ship yet.)

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 07:08 pm: Edit

Can you do all those conversions in 1401?

Just the BC to CVS is 5 and fighters, right?

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 07:16 pm: Edit

The carrier group is a major conversion so you can do all 3 as a single conversion.

I'll have to drop the CL to CLD conversion in 1102 to cover it. I was going off a very old memory of the BC to CV being 4 and missed the CLE.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 11:49 pm: Edit

(433.14) Seems to say that you cannot do this (multi ship carrier group conversion) anymore.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Saturday, May 13, 2017 - 02:29 pm: Edit

Op Movement for the Alliance results in Lyran-LDR-Hydran front battle hexes of: 0113, 0212, 0315, 0413, 0414, and 0514.
Gorn-Paravian front battle hexes of: 4902, 5002, 5004, 5104, and 5203.

In 0212, The Lyrans stay at their base. The Hydrans leave it alone as the combat power favors the Lyrans in both ships and compot.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, May 15, 2017 - 12:11 am: Edit

In 0413 the approach battle went according the Hydran battle plan. Do enough damage to get through to the base on the first round. The Hydrans did. Disaster struck the Hydran fleet on the first round at the base. The VBIR roll was a 1, the Hydran Combat roll was a 1. End result not enough damage to kill the base on the first round. It was even worse when the Lyrans rolled a 6 and easily did enough to kill the TG+FSP on top of that.

The third round was just as bad as the Lyrans did enough to kill a LB on the line while the Hydrans managed to kill the BATS. With no Hydran cripples, the Hydrans retreated to 0514.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 02, 2017 - 07:54 am: Edit

On the Gorn Paravian Front:

Golgatha (4903) is now in the hands of the Gorns.
The Paravian BATS in 5002 and 5004 have been destroyed.

Dead:
Paravian: CF (Directed Damage)

Crippled:
Paravian: None
Gorn: 2xCL, 2xBD, 5xDD

The Gorns field repair 2xCL and 2xDD.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 02, 2017 - 07:59 am: Edit

Total Dead at the end of Spring Y169:

Gorn: None
Hydran: LB, TG+FSP, HR, 2xBATS
Lyran: CA, 2xCL, 2xCW, DW (Captured), 2xDD, SC (Depot), 4xFF BATS
LDR: CW
Paravian: CF, 2xBATS, 2xPDU

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 02, 2017 - 08:02 am: Edit

Fall of Y169:

Diplomats flip 1506 and 1910 to the Klingons, 3912 to the Romulans, and 5109 to the Paravians. Only 5109 had an Alliance Diplomat present.

Survey Results give the Lyrans one new off map province.