Archive through May 19, 2017

Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Federation & Empire: F&E Master SITs: 06-Gorn SIT Folder: Archive through May 19, 2017
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 - 05:46 pm: Edit

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar2) on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 - 09:00 pm: Edit

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:09 am: Edit

Here, hold my (root) beer... Without looking at the base stuff or the newfangled AuxPod stuff, I couldn't find 20. :-(

LAP Nonstandard EW notation. Alternative: "Large Auxiliary PFT (526.4), Scout, EW=2" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

LAS Nonstandard EW notation. Alternative: "Large Auxiliary Scout; EW=3" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

SAS Nonstandard EW notation. Alternative: "Small Auxiliary Scout, EW=2" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

FEDS note on auxiliary ship build costs: Recommend simply citing for each auxiliary build as follows:

(549.121): #
(where '#' is the cost of production)

Rationale:


Quote:

(549.121) Each empire may produce one auxiliary (of any type) per turn (the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and the ISC may produce two per turn), but only one per year may be a large, jumbo, or heavy auxiliary. One large or two small auxiliary troop ships can be built each turn in addition to that number. Some auxiliaries have an “in service” limit (762.0). Some smaller empires have lower limits in their order of battle.



All older references in the auxiliary build columns are now obsolete as the new (549.0) Auxiliary Warships rules cover their production.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:09 am: Edit

HAA Since units in SIT are sorted by date, HAA should be before HAV. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

HAP Note doesn't note unit is scout. Try: "Auxiliary PFT, Scout, EW=2" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

HSC Note doesn't note unit is scout. Try: "Auxiliary SCS, Scout, EW=2" - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26
FEDS: CONCURS with above.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:10 am: Edit

FLG Nonstandard EW notation. Alternative: "Police Flagship, Scout, EW=1, Commando Ship (one battalion)." - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

BFF "Gorn" in designation not needed as this is the Gorn SIT. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

FFX "Gorn" in designation not needed as this is the Gorn SIT. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

PTP Since this unit carries two sets of PFs, shouldn't the cost to build have two PF glyphs? - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26
FEDS: Agrees with the above.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:11 am: Edit

MSR Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

MSRV Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

SR Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

SRV Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26
FEDS: CONCURS with all.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:11 am: Edit

HSR Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

HSRV Unit is SR. Factor Diamond should be red. - Howard Bampton 2017-04-26

FEDS: Yes to all above.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 11:30 am: Edit

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 02:30 pm: Edit

EW is done several ways for units with fixed EW and only on their uncrippled side (this is the order I spotted them on a SIT the other day, normalized to all use 2 instead of the actual values seen):
a) EW=2
b) EW(space)=2
c) 2EW
d) EW(space)=(space)2
e) (2EW)
f) (EW=2)

"a" is most common. "b" and "d" fall under the don't bother to fix. "f" falls in the middle (most common on FLG hulls, but may exist elsewhere), and "c"/"e" are most different. There may be a few styles that I didn't find/flag. EW for units with variable levels (AF=x/EW=y; AF=a;EW=b), X ships, and some more uncommon cases seem to be pretty close to each other (I think I found one wacky one).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 08:22 pm: Edit

By Nick Samaras (Koogie) on Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 09:45 pm: Edit

BBV: Needs conversion from BB-. (Nick Samaras, May 2, 2017)
FEDS: Recommends: From BB-: 4+24. CORRECT BB Conversion to read: From BB: 4+18 Rationale: the BB already has 3 fighters.

SDS: Needs conversion from BB-. (Nick Samaras, May 2, 2017)
FEDS: Recommends: From BB-: 5+12+¶.

BDE: Conversion from DD needs 2-step symbol.(Nick Samaras, May 2, 2017)
FEDS: Recommends changing the listing to read: From DD‡/DE: 2. Rationale: the DD is the proper two-step conversion but not the DE per (437.1).

BFR: Needs conversion from FCR. Conversion from DD needs 2-step symbol. (Nick Samaras, May 2, 2017)
FEDS: Conversion from DD already has 2-step symbol. Recommends removing the FCR conversion and properly listing the conversion as: From FCR: 2+2 Rationale: the FCR has 6 spare fighters ; the BFR has 8 spare fighters.

FFX: Needs battle group symbol.
FEDS: Concurs.

CPX: YIS should be Y183 FALL (one turn after CPF).
FEDS: Concurs per (524.14).

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, May 05, 2017 - 01:34 pm: Edit

Fix EW spacing
Fix Scout capitalization
update HDW entries.
Check auto-date on header.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:29 am: Edit

FLG: Build cost lacks "Call up" entry. Add "Call up: 2" Cost per 531.3 - Howard Bampton 2017-05-06
FEDS: CONCURS.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:30 am: Edit

Search for double dagger position is needed on this SIT- multiple fixes needed.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 11:18 am: Edit

Standardize HDW variants as HDWZ and HDWX variants as HWXZ.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Sunday, May 07, 2017 - 09:30 pm: Edit

Global POL/PV/FLG (but not heavy POL) review cleanup (replaces previous FLG line item from Saturday, May 06, 2017 - 02:29 am)

POL Call up cost for generic POL is 0. Fixing. Backporting Paravian style POL call up frequency: Build "Call up: 0 (1/Turn) (531.12)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07
FEDS: CONCURS.

PV Backporting Paravian style PV call up frequency: Build "Call up: 3 (1/Fall)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07
FEDS: CONCURS.

PV Backporting Paravian PV Note "Police Carrier; See (531.4)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07
FEDS: CONCURS.

FLG Backporting Paravian style FLG call up frequency: Build "Call up: 2 (1/Spng)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07
FEDS: CONCURS.

FLG Backporting Paravian style FLG Note "Police Flagship, Commando Ship, Scout, EW=1. See (531.3)." - Howard Bampton 2017-05-07
FEDS: CONCURS.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Monday, May 08, 2017 - 01:20 pm: Edit

BFF 5HP.1 states call up replaces POL call up. Adding to note : "Heavy Police Ship (5HP.0), call up replaces POL" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-08
FEDS: CONCURS.

BFF Call up missing from build cost: "Call up: 0 (1/Year)" - Howard Bampton 2017-05-08
FEDS: CONCURS.

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Thursday, May 11, 2017 - 02:13 pm: Edit

HDW COG/FOP/POG etc- entries need to be added to SIT as a part of HDW cleanup. - Howard Bampton 2017-05-11

FEDS: Report sent to ADB.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:10 pm: Edit

DNG: The word "CL26" in the SFB Ref # column can be removed. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

DNC: The SFB Ref # should be 104. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.
FEDS: CONCURS with the above items.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:10 pm: Edit

MSV: As none of the other rules references refer to a specific product, the words "in AO" can be removed from the Conversion Cost column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

FEDS: Remove error in conversions "See (525.2) in AO." Replace with these conversions:
From CM: 5+16
From CMV: 3+4
From MSC: 2+16
From HD‡: 7+16
From HV‡: 5+4
From HSV: 4
From HDS‡: 5+16
From HVH‡: 5

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:10 pm: Edit

HDX-scout: This unit is called the HDSX in SFB. The SFB Ref # should be 211. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.
FEDS: CONCURS.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:10 pm: Edit

BDP: There should be a colon after "From PFT" in the Conversion Cost column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.
FEDS: OK

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:11 pm: Edit

LPF: The SFB Ref # should be 88. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

BFF: The word "Gorn" can be removed from the Designation column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

BFF: The "6." can be removed from the SFB Ref # column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

FFX: The word "Gorn" can be removed from the Designation column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

HEAVY AUXILIARIES: The word "Heavy" should be added to be beginning of the Notes column for those units that don't have it. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

FEDS: CONCURS with above.

By Frank Brooks (Alskdjf) on Friday, May 19, 2017 - 09:11 pm: Edit

JAC: The SFB Ref # should be A23. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

JAC: The word "Jumbo" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

LARGE AUXILIARIES: The word "Large" should be added to be beginning of the Notes column for those units that don't have it. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

FHL: The words "Large Hospital Auxiliary" in the Notes column should probably be "Large Auxiliary Hospital Ship" to be consistent with the other entries in this section and with the FHS. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

REPR: The words "Large Auxiliary" should be added to the beginning of the Notes column. F Brooks, 8 May 2017.

FEDS: Okay with all above.

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