Not that I can recall. We know that is a rule that can be used.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, December 08, 2018 - 05:07 pm: Edit

CT21

Combat rages on!

In Gorn space, the Romulans have now killed 2BATS (5105, 5203), losing only fighters in return.

In Fed space, the Klingons are fighting over planet 2705 (North of the Capital), having fought 3 rounds of approach (the Feds had an EW advantage for the first round, and rounds 2 and 3, the Feds outrolled the bigger Klingon line), each side losing a small escort each round and fighters; the Klingons are advancing to the 2PDU minor planet. It remains to be seen if the Klingons will be able to capture the planet this turn. They have a mauler and can likely kill the 2PDUs; the Klingons have about 85 ships compared to the Fed's 90+; at press time, the Feds have more fighters left, and still the potential for an EW advantage.

Combat continues.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, December 08, 2018 - 08:28 pm: Edit

In an early game with Ted Fay, I used an FRD as the Kzinti to do this very thing, over two turns I put a significant fleet within six of Lyrantan which had the Coalition spending significant EPs to pull back enough ships to discourage the Kzinti... which then pulled back their forces. Helped take heat off the Feds at the time for essentially no cost.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 08:10 am: Edit

Heh, yeah, in "Do Not Start..." (the game between Richard and I where the Feds lost Earth on T17, and we kinda froze the game at T20), the Kzinti killed Lyran SB 0608 (my last exciting hurrah in that game...) on AT19 or so, and retrograded back to Kzinti space by virtue of a towed FRD (and also a fighting retreat, getting them 1 hex closer), which was promptly vaporized by the Coalition on CT20. But yeah, that is a thing that works sometimes.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 08:16 am: Edit

CT21

Combat is nearing completion!

In Fed space, the Klingons managed to devastate planet 2705, losing D6S, D5S, F5S, F5E, and F5 in the process, but didn't capture the planet, retreating after devastating it.

In Gorn space, the Romulans devastated planet 5004 in a single, giant damage round (for both sides--the Alliance have been rolling like gangbusters this turn), mauling PDUs, the Gorn taking 10 on the planet (along with fighters, avoided any cripples), and then the Romulans saw an SFF shot down, a bunch of fighters die, and a few ships get crippled on top. They then ran; it is unlikely the Gorn will pursue (all they can shoot is a spf in formation, and will likely lose something good in return).

Only fight left is about 80 Romulans attacking Fed SB 3604, defended by about 60 Feds (but half of them are FFs; they have 2 carrier groups; a CVA and a CVS). Romulans have about 75 fighters and 8 maulers. They have already skipped the approach with cloak and spent a command point to attack.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 01:48 pm: Edit

>>Romulans saw an SFF shot down>>

That's SKF, not SFF.

The Alliance really like killing my scouts. Which is expensive for me to recover from...

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 06:04 pm: Edit

Hey, you put a Scout on the line its going to die !

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Man. I'm currently looking at the map and being all "Ok, how do I strat move WE's to SB's to make more Scout Eagles..."

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 06:54 pm: Edit

CDR is a good way to help save money and build scouts.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 08:00 pm: Edit

We aren't using CDR. We are using F+E2K10, CO, FO, AO; and a few rules removed that we don't like (mostly for fiddliness).

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 08:40 pm: Edit

CDR tends to be neutral as both sides can take advantage of it.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Well, yes? Agreed!

But it still isn't in any of the rulebooks we are using :-)

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:38 am: Edit

CDR - Neutral?

I would disagree - all 3 Coalition Empires can use it.... the Hydrans and Kzinti probably don't (much*) - but I would agree the Feds and Gorn may get value in it.

Escorts and Carriers....everything else is a Sub!

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 07:46 am: Edit

Paul, I constantly use CDR for scouts and droneships. I suspect that I have used CDR more than Bill in the Empires of the Dead gamr.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 08:07 am: Edit

CT21

The only fight left is the Romulans vs the Feds at SB 3604; the Romulans have been hovering around 114/5 compot; the Feds were at about 150/5 for the first 3 rounds, but then dropped to about 120/4 on R4 when his CVA lost all the fighters and small escorts.

The Romulans have been mauling small ships, allowing the rest of the damage to cripple things and hit some SIDS; the Feds directed small one scouts the first two rounds and a FAL the 3rd, also crippling a bunch of ships on top of that.

The dice have been cruel to the Feds so far this fight, seeing them roll, like, 2, 4, 1, 1 to the Romulan's 6, 4, 6, 3.

SB still has 4SIDS on the uncrippled side and all the fighters, so likely a few more rounds.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 01:15 pm: Edit

Are you using the advanced or basic scout rules.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Advanced Scouts.

And as for rolls, this SB was clearly meant to be lost cheaply.

Peter is taking it out for a bargain.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Ouch - pretty brutal on the dice.

2 v 4.75!!! Pretty much 30+ damage the Feds!

Overall though for the turn and the game - who has been lucky?

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 03:32 pm: Edit

I started well but Id say for the 21st Turn in a row it goes to Peter.

Not just for the winning rolls, but where.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 03:58 pm: Edit

And my final roll over the SB was a 1.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 04:09 pm: Edit

Yeah, that fight over the SB was just terrible for the Feds.

Before the SB fight, the Alliance were averaging 4.3 for the turn while the Coalition were averaging 3.15; at the SB fight (probably the most significant fight of the turn, in terms of potential damage the Feds could do), the Feds averaged 1.8 (rolling 2, 4, 1, 1, 1 in 5 rounds) vs the Coalition's 4.2 in 4 rounds (rolling 4, 6, 6, 3, 2).

That's just stupid.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 04:23 pm: Edit

Chuck wrote:
>>Are you using the advanced or basic scout rules.>>

Advanced. Why do you ask? (Just curious what you are looking at).

We are F+E2K10, most of CO, FO, AO. We left out a few rules we didn't like, as they added extra phases (ground attack units, SFGs, penal ships) then a few rules to try and even those out (monitors and active police ships). And we don't use captures to avoid the extra set of die rolls every combat. But other than that, we are using F+E, CO, FO, AO.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 04:34 pm: Edit

CT21

Combat is over!

In Hydran space, the Coalition took back planet 0416, trading some bigger ships for some CUs (a Lyran BC got accidentally whacked by a low compot Hydran line rolling a 6 at an inopportune time). The main Hydran fleet is still on the map, and still in supply.

In Kzinti space, the Coalition took back planets 1001 and 1504, redevasated (but the retreated from) planet 1802 (due to needing to retreat so a bunch of cripples could get to a repair facility) and took back a bunch of provinces, but not much happened otherwise.

In Gorn space, the Romulans killed a couple BATS over by the ISC and devastated planet 5004, but left it in Gorn hands.

In Fed space, the Coalition recaptured planets 2509, 2610, 3210, 3306, 3706; devastated planet 2705 (their last undevastated planet not in the Fed capital, which the Coalition is yet to enter), and killed SB 3604.

Ships Killed:
-LYR: BC, DWE, DWS, FF
-KLI: D6S, D5S, F5S, F5E, F5
-ROM: 3FAL, 2SE, SKF

-ZIN: FFK, FF
-HYD: 4CU
-FED: 2CA, 2FFE, 3FF, (SB, 2PDU)
-GRN: (2BATS, 2PDU)

For the turn, the Alliance rolled an average of 3.61 and the Coalition rolled an average of 3.44, so the Alliance did marginally better overall, but they rolled *terribly* over their SB fight.

Retrogrades, etc. are underway.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 06:30 pm: Edit

CT21

Turn is over!

On the Hydran front, the Lyrans pulled a bunch of ships back to SB 0411, leaving the Klingons to mostly defend 0617 (which has 2xSB, a bunch of PDUs and lots of PFs defending it. Along with about 100 Klingons).

In Kzinti space, the Coalition have fleets at 1001, 1105, 1504, 1506, and a giant Lyran fleet at SB 1307.

In Fed space, the Klingons have modest fleets at planets 2106, 2403, 2509, 3210; giant fleets at planets 2306 and 2812; a significant fleet at SB 2916 (sensing movement on the Tholian front). The Romulans have a giant fleet in 3509 and are setting up a MB at planet 3711.

In Gorn space, the Romulans have a giant fleet at planet 4705 and a slightly less giant fleet at planet 4309.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 06:38 pm: Edit

CT21

Map at end of CT21:

http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/SCD2mapCT21end.html