I just checked the Kzinti. They are correct vs. the rulebook. BUT there are a few things in the rulebook SIT that are strange. For example they have a BATS or SB conversion paying 12EP for fighters, while the site shows 6EP. I'm thinking that was just a mistake, because it was also 6EP in FE2k.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 09:50 pm: Edit

Kzinti Economy, Turn 1

Survey roll 13
Survey total 13
Survey EP 0
Offmap 17
Capital 32
Planets 17
Provinces 20
Income 86
From last turn 0
Total Money 86

Builds:
TGC 8
3xEFF, SF 14
4xPDU 28

Conversions:
BC > CC 2
BC > CC 2
2CL > 2ECL 2
BC > CVS 5
CL > ECL, BC > CC 3

Spent 64

Remaining 22

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 03:19 am: Edit

BATS and SB pay 1 Ep per fighter.

So it's +6 Ep's for each as (i.e. 0>6>12)

Builds - OK and Oohhh - lots of CC's!

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 10:43 am: Edit

The Kzinti tend to get money hungry, generally why I don't do CC conversions (and if really money hungry I can save EPs by making BC to CV conversions so don't want to spend to make a CC and then just end up converting it to a CV).

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 11:38 am: Edit

I'm interested to see how this CC conversion works out right off the bat. I always considered Kzinti BCs to just be CVSs that were awaiting conversion. But perhaps there is some merit to having more CCs up front? Only downside is that you can only do 1 per SB, unlike the Lyrans and their CA > CC conversions (which I am still lukewarm about anyway.)

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 02:59 pm: Edit

With the increased conversion capacity and reduction in the need to have light escorts (or rubbish light escorts even!).

….and if I direct kill it - at worst it will take 4 more damage to kill (over a CC) - which might nominally be 1 less crippled FF...

So slightly more damage, less chance of dying and possibly less cripples.

I agree though, the Kzinti are short of cash - possibly they will not waste money on carriers then ?

Karl - you can do a CC and ECL....

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 06:31 pm: Edit

Oh, I know. I was just referring to the ridiculous 3 CA > 3 CC at each starbase the Lyrans often do in the opening turns, whereas the Kzinti can only manage one BC > CC conversion per SB.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 08:24 pm: Edit

I like to get some CC because of the denser compot, which the Kzinti really need. It's also a bit like building a fighter since it cripples for 1 more damage than a BC but costs the same to repair.

Kzinti op move is done. They are trying to retake the planet. He could reserve it, but even if he does, the Kzinti fleet there would be a bit bigger than his. The other battle is an open space battle over his fleet that retreated from the SB.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 08:30 pm: Edit

Did Count's SB in 0902 go down on turn one?

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 08:34 pm: Edit

Short of cash? Nah. Last time he took Kzintai on turn 3 and the Kzinti finished their new shipyard on turn 14. So they only skipped the shipyard 6 times

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 08:36 pm: Edit

And no, the Count is quite alive.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 09:04 pm: Edit

William,

Ref your 14 Mar 762pm post. Where does it say the BATS>SB ftr cost is 12EP?

Ryan
F&E Staff

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 09:22 pm: Edit

In the Fed SIT, page 159 of the rulebook pdf I purchased. See also the very first line of said SIT, which says something similar for MB to BATS. Looking closer, I see in the notes that's just for 3rd way. I missed that part on the first several readings.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Happens, the General SIT is on page 164 of the F&E2K10 RB.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 04:05 pm: Edit

In a worrying development it would appear the Counts Commander has been replaced by a Pro-Privateer commander and he has attacked Peacekeeping Lyran forces.

Battles are occurring in 1001 and 802 (with a Lyran Reserve force dispatched to each).

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 09:55 pm: Edit

I audited the Hydran, Fed, and Gorn fleets vs. the rulebook. All had some inconsistencies. They Hydran home fleet showed 2HR which do not exist in the rules. The Fed home fleet was short 3FF. And the Gorn home fleet had an extra CL. All now fixed. This does NOT necessarily represent an error in the scenario file, as it is for the game with expansions.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 12:00 pm: Edit

Alliance turn 1 is done. The Kzinti managed to push the main Lyran fleets out of range of Kzintai. Dead or spent are:

Kzinti -- 2EFF, 1.2EP of drones
Lyran -- CW, Command point.

Additionally, both sides have some cripples.

Kzinti have put one strong battle line on the Duke's SB, a bit more than that on the Count, and 22 ships plus an additional 5-ship reserve on Kzintai. They also have a strongish reserve in the Marquis region.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Well, I thought with average luck (as part of Williams ship equivalents were fighters and I thought I would have a higher Compot) I was going to hold 1001 - but 2 rounds of combat with 5 v 2 and 5 v 1 on the dice destroyed it.

William caught me in the first pursuit and rolled 4 v 6 - so I ended with a better dice that might have made a difference if it was earlier.

In 802 - the single round was 3 v 4 - and I ran after a round - although I could have stayed trading ships, with 49 Kzinti Fighters and a higher Kzinti Compot - enough was enough.

So overall a good dice turn for the Alliance.

Total damage

Kzinti, KIA 2 x EFF, 1.2 Eps in Drones - WIA 3 x BC, CL, EFF, FF

Lyrans - KIA CW, 1 Command Point - WIA 3 x CC, CW, DW, DWS, DD, 5 x FF

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Wednesday, March 20, 2019 - 05:28 pm: Edit

Coalition turn 2

Just checking everything looks OK, but it looks like the Lyrans will build : -

Full income. 0.2 Ep's in Captured Territory and nearly an off map Province found (total 19)


DN, TGC(S), 3 x CW, 2 x DW, 6 x FF (3 Overbuilt), DWS(S), Command Point, FRD.

Conversions, BC, 2 x CC and a DWS (from DW).

Repairs 2 x CC

Klingon Tribute : 20 Ep's Earmarked for the Klingons

3.2 Eps left.

Klingons (7 Survey Points)

C8, TGA(S), D6M(S), 9 x D5, 5 x F5 (2 x F5L downsub), F5S(S), Command Point

Mothball, 2 x D6, 2 x F5, 3 x E4

Conversions D6M, 3 x FV, 2 x F5S, D6D (6 Free Fighter Factors, 6 Paid for))

Balance 1 Ep

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Wednesday, March 20, 2019 - 05:42 pm: Edit

Tugs

Lyran

702 - TGP Supply
408 - TGC MB
Far Stars - TGP - FRD

Other Tugs keep BP's


Klingons

1509 TGB VP
1307 TGA BP, TGA BP
1411 TGA VP
2318 TGA FRD

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, March 20, 2019 - 06:29 pm: Edit

Don't the Klingons also have 3E4 on their schedule? I missed it if you built them.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 03:15 am: Edit

They do and 7.5 Ep's was paid for them - missed them on the list!

Thanks

Corrected list

Klingons (7 Survey Points)

C8, TGA(S), D6M(S), 9 x D5, 5 x F5 (2 x F5L downsub), F5S(S), 3 x E4, Command Point

Mothball, 2 x D6, 2 x F5, 3 x E4

Conversions D6M, 3 x FV, 2 x F5S, D6D (6 Free Fighter Factors, 6 Paid for))

Balance 1 Ep

By Karl Mangold (Karlsolomon) on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 09:22 am: Edit

One question, if you don't mind, is by what method are those 20 EPs getting delivered to the Klingons?

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Excellent point Karl...

...I suppose the Magic Fairy it is!

Ooops - the Klingons will have to wait for the pound of flesh

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 02:03 pm: Edit

Shirley you have tugs that could move those EPs during the strategic movement phase?