Yes the Hydrans get 4 XTP, the Kzinti get 20 and thr Gorn get 30.

While the Lyrans and Romulans get 60 each.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - 07:32 pm: Edit

That sounds low for the Hydrans?

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - 08:26 pm: Edit

I was basing it off how much EP they generate each turn.

All they really have is Off Map and maybe a Disrupted hex. So its 40% of 15 plus a little bit of converted.

Unless I can hang on to 0416. But if Peter wants to boot me off there he can do it easily.

Actually, I assume I will end up with mostly XTP, because of the flat 10 EP to 10 XTP conversion which is about half of their EP (given they are now at 50% exhaustion).

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - 09:11 pm: Edit

I forget, don't they get more for their capital, x starbase and major (or is it all) planets?

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - 10:32 pm: Edit

The Hydrans have, let's say, an economy of 20EPs, which includes 2 Major and 1 Minor planet off map.

So of their 20EPs, 14 can be converted to XTPs (20%+10; no reason not to, as XTPs can be used as EPs). They get 5 XTP as a planet bonus. They get an XTP from their SBX off map. So they'd have 6 EPs and 22 XTP, give or take. Of course, they probably use some of the XTP as EPs, but they can certainly build a RNX or DGX, and then a bunch of CUs if they want.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - 10:54 pm: Edit

You can use FFF to help too.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Thursday, July 11, 2019 - 01:38 am: Edit

Do they get 5 XTP for the new Capital?

I was thinking it only applies to the original. Handy if Yes.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, July 11, 2019 - 08:08 am: Edit

They don't get the 5 XTP bonus for the Capital Planet, as (523.12) specifically says "Undevastated original Capital planet, not a replacement capital".

But the Hydrans and Kzinti, for example, do have a significant number of off map planets that provide the 40% bonus, regardless of exhaustion, which also helps out.

They can build an RNX on T28, which costs 10+7 fighters (and you can use FFF at 1:1 for the fighters) for a 9-12+7. Which isn't bad at all for 10 XTP. And then still have, like, 18 more EP/XTP for building CUs.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, July 11, 2019 - 10:06 am: Edit

They could build one and convert another I think.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, July 11, 2019 - 01:24 pm: Edit

Yep. They could do that too, but probably start running into significant money issues at that point...

By chris upson (Misanthropope) on Thursday, July 11, 2019 - 10:03 pm: Edit

can you send me the map, peter? i have one of my patented "questions that would be way too much work to answer"

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, July 12, 2019 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Done.

AT27

Moves are well under way!

In Hydran space, the Hydrans have rounded up some province raiders, including a group out in and around 0715. Most of their ships still can move, and they can go from 0416 to 0617 (possibly pinning everything there? Haven't counted recently) or to SB 0411. We'll see what happens.

In Kzinti space, the Kzinti are rounding up province raiders, pinning ships in 1105 and 1506, and have about 50 ships in 1104 that can go hit deep Coalition targets such as planet 0607, BATS 0708, BATS 0908, BATS 1009, and BATS 1209. They'll have retrograde issues, but the Kzint might be able to work around that with clever.

In Fed space, the Feds are rounding up province raiders, hitting planets 2106, 2306, and 3306, and are moving ships down in the direction of 2812.

In Gorn space, the Gorn seem to be mostly liberating the eastern marches, hitting planets and province raiders there, and have started parking ships on planet 4705 (where most of the Romulans are).

The Tholians have hit planet 2518 (defended by 2PDUs and a few Lyrans) with a dozen ships and BATS 2519 with most of their fleet (defended by about 15 Lyrans).

Plenty more ships to move and plenty of targets to engage!

By chris upson (Misanthropope) on Friday, July 12, 2019 - 10:23 pm: Edit

i was contemplating attacking the tholians. in my mind, that first bolus of FVs lets you go low BIR and still be efficient vs. the fighters you probably want to kill first. likely the defender kicks BIR up to the point of getting your mauler effect. and you can burn PFs and CCs (which at this point verge on being empty pincount).

I... overlooked how awful neo-tholians are.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, July 12, 2019 - 10:45 pm: Edit

Imagine an invasion by the Will and multiple Dyson sphere backed Tholian forces.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, July 12, 2019 - 10:58 pm: Edit

Yeah, the Neo Tholians are brutal. Like, the NCLs die quickly. But having, like, an SCS get it's compot cut in half really does a number on your ability to shoot them.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 09:15 am: Edit

I think we are up to 37 fights in T27A. For those playing at home, this could be a new record.

I dont have much left to move, and unless something weird happens, 37 is what it will end up being.

4 fights in Hydran space
4 fights in Kzinti space
1 fight in the Kzinti Klingon NZ
5 fights in Klingon space
2 fights in the Fed Klingon NZ
16 fights in Fed space
8 fights in Gorn space

So that adds up to 40? I guess I cant count. But its a lot of fights !

By chris upson (Misanthropope) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 09:55 am: Edit

if you're good enough at fighting, you don't have to be able to count. ask floyd mayweather

By Gregory S Flusche (Vandor) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 06:05 pm: Edit

The 5 fights in Klingon space gets me.. the Alliance is fighting back hard.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 07:49 pm: Edit

The Hydrans are hitting an undefended 1013. A small, average Reserve can get there.
The Kzinti are hitting an undefended 0908 and 1209. Plenty of big Reserves can get there.
The Tholians are hitting well defended 2519 and a mostly undefended 2518. A good Reserve can get there.

So we shall see whether I am wasting good ships.

But if the attacks succeed its 20 points off Peter's victory score. And he loses some EP for a few turns.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 10:01 pm: Edit

AT27

As noted, things are getting exciting!

The Hydrans are hitting BATS 1013 (which the Klingons didn't notice was even possible). The Kzinti are hitting Klingon BATS 0908 and 1209 (the Klingons did see these as possible). The Coalition have numerous not that awesome Reserves that can be involved in these fights, and the Kzinti attacks are going to have troubles retrograding, as they need to get to 1202 or 1504, but various Coalition ships can end up in the way. The Hydrans at 1013 are probably fine.

So far, 6 fights on the Hydran front, 8 fights on the Kzinti front, 16 fights in Fed space, 8 fights in Gorn space, 2 fight on the Tholian front. I'm counting 40 battle hexes so far. A few more ships to move--the Kzinti could probably benefit from moving some ships around to make sure retrograding works.

It is likely I'll lose 3 or 4 BATS this turn, and possibly a major planet. And a *lot* of little ships.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 11:12 pm: Edit

You could roll super well with the Cloaks again and lose half a dozen less than expected.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, July 14, 2019 - 08:59 am: Edit

It's gotta catch up with me eventually :-)

AT27

Moves are done and reserves are in!

-Hydran Front: 5 fights. 3 of them will see a Coalition FF die (including an important one in 0715, for supply/retrograde purposes); one will see the Hydrans probably take back planet 0519 (but the Lyrans can fight for it), and the Hydrans will almost certainly kill BATS 1013, which is defended by a fairly anemic reserve.

-Kzinti Front: 9 fights. 3 of them will see a Coalition FF die; one will see a Kzinti FF die as a reserve showed up; BATS 0908 and 1209 will certainly perish, although both are now defended by moderate reserves (the Coalition have no depth to their forces; the Kzinti have about 25 SEQ in each hex), but retrograde paths are up in the air. The Kzinti will certainly reclaim planet 1105. The Klingons will likely hold planet 1506, but the Kzinti can fight there for a while if they want. There is an open space pin fight in 1307 that clearly exists so the Kzinti can retreat into a hex that hopefully will keep a retrograde path open.

-Fed/Klingon Front: 9 fights. 5 of them involve small groups getting mugged, including the Feds liberating planet 2214, which the Romulans have held since, like, T12. Planets 2106 and 2306 are being hit hard; 2306 will certainly be liberated while 2106 has been reinforced by an all X ship reserve. Planet 2811 will also be liberated while 2812 is certainly in the air--a lot of Fed ships vs a lot of Klingon ships, but Klingon resistance here is significant (B10 and a dozen X ships).

-Fed/Romulan Front: 7 fights. 4 of them are little ship muggings including the Feds will reclaiming planet 3306; the Feds will probably take back planet 3210. The Romulans will probably hold planet 3706. The Romulans sent a modest reserve to go save some province raiders north of the Fed Capital in 3204.

-Gorn Front: 8 fights. 6 little ship muggings the results of which depend on cloak evasion rolls; the Romulans will probably (but not certainly) hold planet 4705; the Romulans sent a reserve to a ship mugging in 4406 vs a dozen Gorn, probably for maintaining supply path purposes.

-Tholian Front: 2 fights. Planet 2518 and BATS 2519. Both are reinforced by reserves and Lyrans that were near by. The Tholians can win both of them of they push.

That's a total of 40 fights. Maybe 41 (if I'm missing something somewhere). Probably a new record. The Alliance is clearly pushing back, and I'm going to have trouble defending all the things that he can hit from now on.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Sunday, July 14, 2019 - 05:53 pm: Edit

2 or 3 failed Cloak rolls out of about 20 so far. The fun continues.

The Romulans should just set up pickets across the entire map.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, July 14, 2019 - 06:03 pm: Edit

I do strive to dp that sort of thing in my games.

By Jason Langdon (Jaspar) on Sunday, July 14, 2019 - 08:01 pm: Edit

When you are losing only 1 in 6 consistently across turns it makes sense to put Romulans basically everywhere. They are essentially reducing massive amounts of EP for the Alliance for next to zero cost.