Independent Fighter Squadrons are treated as Ships - 511.535.

Only Fast and X-Ships always count as mobile.

Chris

Honest Answer - is not a lot!

A Bunch of Crippled Federation ships
A Kzinti BC in a non-moved (so far) reserve
24 Federation Fighters
All the starting PDU's
3 x Fighterless SBs

v SUP, 2 x SP, WE, SN, K4, SKB, SKE, K5S

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 08:37 am: Edit

Feds have:
battle tug, NCL, FFE, FFS plus crips: cc, ff, ffe, de, ffs and captured fh
24 fighters that reacted in, and none of the original SB fighters

If he wants to devastate a planet, he probably will. Feds could have reserved more in, but multiple other battles needed attention. One 4-ship reserve went to a minor planet where it will probably swing the battle. And the 1-ship reserve went to a minor planet which it may also save (but it's close).

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 10:36 am: Edit

Ok, so the Romulans have 9 ships (led by a SUP with 4 fighters) and will have, best case scenario, a compot of 44/1.

The Feds have a BT, NCL, FFE, FFS, numerous squads of fighters and cripples which probably won't see combat, but, like, putting the crippled CC in formation for an extra 5 compot isn't at all unreasonable.

Over a minor planet, the Feds can be something like 48/1.

The Romulans might be able to devastate a planet, depending on where the fighters are stationed.

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 12:19 pm: Edit

I could swear Paul has more than that, roughly 58 compot with a scout.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 01:42 pm: Edit

I mis-counted/mis-typed--I'm getting 54/1 (assuming the scout is on the line) is what the ship in the list come out to.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 09:11 am: Edit

Well, for those that was watching (and believe me, you might have missed it), the huge attack on 2908 was a very very very large damp squib.

Single approach round - NCL direct crippled and I self crippled a SP and SN.

(I was hoping to kill 2 PDU's - but forgot PDU fighters can be used in the approach Battle and William wisely used them).

And just, but only just, the Romulans was able to follow the retreating Federation forces to 3008 - which for the Feds is a Fighting Retreat, but a normal retreat for the Romulans (hence why I built the Convoy).

Cloak worked for once on the attack too.

Elsewhere..... the First Federation SB has been destroyed!

2808

Yes - that's correct, one of the safest SBs in the middle of Federation space died.

In a very very very close battle, in which the dice was nice to the Klingons (I won all but 1 round, most rolls was only 1 pip higher although we did have 2 rounds of +2 and William won one +2)…. which resulted in the entire Klingon line being crippled and a D5 being self killed.

Federation took no cripples (but every ship was already crippled)

(Final compot round was 37 v 38 - SB has 11 SIDS on it!!)

I decided I was willing to self kill D7C's and D7's and D5's if the Feds were going to self kill their own ships!

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 04:41 pm: Edit

What were the forces fighting over the SB in 2808 (I don't need exact ships, but general numbers :-)?

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 05:31 pm: Edit

2808 was

2 x D7C, 3 x D7, 3 x D5 (2 were already crippled), D5V, AD5, F5E (escorts already crippled), F5S

v SB (no own Fighters), 18 Fighters from 2908, 2 x CC, NCL and a FF (all crippled already).

Compot started at 70 v 71 IIRC.

Dice averages for the turn might show a sharp swing to the Alliance, fortunately, it was a small battle.

Federation BATS 3804 fought to the death, but did well.

Rolls were 2 v 3, 3 v 6, 1 v 6, 1 v 4 an 4 v 6 (i.e it won all 5 rounds!).

Clever use of ships (just used DC 6 ships) avoided taking the last 2 damage though - which saved crippling a ship.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 05:45 pm: Edit

The heck is DC 6?

By Rob Padilla (Zargan) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 09:20 pm: Edit

Defensive Compot = 6?

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Friday, November 08, 2019 - 10:46 pm: Edit

The SB battle was close. The initial compots were almost the same, as were the DefPots. The slim Fed advantage lay in the fact that SIDS don't reduce compot until you have 8 of them. So the Feds had higher compot in the middle rounds

The loss of a central SB is certainly annoying. The defense of the adjacent major planet is automatically weakened. But it's not as bad as losing an outer SB.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Saturday, November 09, 2019 - 01:53 pm: Edit

Well, good diceness reversed itself pretty quickly and at the moment, dice luck is only 1 way.

1 moderate battle which last 5 rounds had averages of 2.6 v 5 (and I won the first round!).

Elsewhere, lots of 1 v 6's it seems

Averages for the turn so far as 3.51 VBIR, 2.79 Coalition and 3.31 for the Alliance (29 rolls).

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Saturday, November 09, 2019 - 10:29 pm: Edit

The Fed defense of 3008 turned into a debacle as I misunderstood the fighting retreat order of events. I thought my retreating fleet would have to fight only the forces that were already in 3008. That's wrong. They also had to face the retreating Romulans from the capital in the FR battle. The Feds ended up having to self kill in the FR battle and lost a total of 2CC and 3FF in the process of holding that SB. Probably not worth losing 5 hulls for that particular SB.

Fed economy next turn will be roughly 167, helped by good rolls that held a BATS and insane rolls that held planet 2106. With that assist from the dice, the Feds managed to lose only one PDU-defended planet this turn (the one near the Gorns). They also lost the Klingon major, which was held by a lone FF, and a minor planet they retook on their turn and weren't even trying to hold. But those ones don't count.

Gorns are on deck.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 04:00 am: Edit

Coalition turn 12 combat is over

Well, dice gods slightly came back to me - averages ended at 3.59, 3.05 and 3.26.

Couple of modest rolls either way - the Fighting Retreat battle was good for the Coalition - rolled a 6 v 4 (so 50% damage done).

Thought William would cripple everything and kill the 18 Fighters and so killed a crippled FF for 6. He then self killed 2 more to keep the Battle Tug uncrippled....which partially saved 3008 - dice gods were not too nice to me - and the Battle Tug did the rest!

Dead for the Turn

3 x Federation PDU's killed
1 x Fed SB
5 x Fed BATS
2 x Fed CC, 5 x Fed FF

SB 3008 has 5 SIDS on it.

Klingons lost a D6M, D5 and 2 x F5.

Kzinti lost 2 x CC

Romulan lost a SKE

Hydrans lost a HR and SC

Only 1 Federation planet was captured (1 other was re-liberated by the Klingons)

Lyrans also spent a Command Point and Klingons 0.4 Eps on Drones.

Both sides have a modest number of cripples.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 10:07 am: Edit

The Klingons cannot liberate (or 're-liberate') Federation planets.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 11:14 am: Edit

Well, that's not what the delighted inhabitants of 2715 keep telling their liberators.

Arctusian's have confirmed reported that the Federation are just evil overlords and do not consider themselves to have been captured by the benevolent Klingons

By Jon Murdock (Xenocide) on Monday, November 11, 2019 - 12:16 pm: Edit

They probably have an app that tells them which flag to fly on any given morning to make sure not to offend their current overlord.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 02:26 am: Edit

Retrograde and Strategic Movement has been completed.

The Romulans stayed forward deployed in several areas in SE Federation space.

The Klingons stayed forward deployed in central Federation space (as no retrograde points) - including 10 or so crippled hulls.

In Patriarch Kzinti space, loyal Kzinti forces deployed back to 1202 and 1401.

In Hydran space, Coalition forces stayed forward deployed.

The Patriach feels safer in his Captial, as 1401 now has 8 PDU's (5PDU's+SB, 3 x 1 PDU's on other planets) and the recently finished SB defending it.

Reserves have been set up in 1401 (2), 1407, 1811, 2215, 2513 (2), 4010, 4310 and 4710.

(As the Hydrans are bottled up, no Coalition reserves in Hydran space).

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 08:58 pm: Edit

Kzinti economy, turn 12

Survey roll 10
Survey total 123
Survey EP 10
Offmap 17
Province 1
Income 28
From last turn 2
Total Money 30

Repairs
Barony 12.5

Builds
Shipyard(5/6) 15
FF 2.5

Total spending 30

Money after Econ 0
Also: 1CP available

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Hydran economy, turn 12

Survey roll 9
Survey total 94
Survey EP 8
Offmap 17
Provinces 1
Income 26
From last turn 5
Scrap F5 1.5
Total Money 32.5

Repairs 20
Build CU 2.5
Convert HR>NSC 1

Total spending 23.5

Money after Econ 9
Also: 3+1=4CP available

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 09:16 pm: Edit

Federation economy, turn 12

Survey roll 22
Survey total 68
Survey EP 6
Offmap 6
Capital 59
Planets 44
Provinces 51
NZ 0.8
Income 166.8
From last turn 0.85
Total Money 167.65

Repairs
Earth 19.5
3rd 1
4th 2
7th 1
8th 8
9th 8
2606 2
3212 2
Subtotal 43.5

Builds
7NCL 35
12FF 36
CVA 36
Activations 8
Skipped: CC, CA, 3NCL, 2DE, ECL

Subtotal 115

Conversions
Earth FH 3
FF>FFS(Earth, 6th, 7th) 3
DD>DE(3rd, 6th Earth) 3

Subtotal 9

Total spent 167.5
Remaining after econ 0.15
Also: 3+1=4CP available

By William Jockusch (Verybadcat2) on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Gorn Economy, turn 12

Survey roll 4
Survey total 4
Survey EP 0
Offmap 12
Capital 24
Planets 15
Provinces 36

Income 87

Builds
DN 18
HD, 2HDE 17
BDE, 2DD, SC 15
Subtotal 50

Conversions
Activated DD 2
Gdhar 1 CL>CV, DD>SC 3
Gdhar 2 CL>BC 3
Gdhar 3 CL> BC 3
5th CL>BC 3
6th CL>BC 3
Subtotal 17

Transfer (Feds will pick up) 10
Total spending 77
Unallocated 10

Also 1CP available I think, even though they technically aren't at war yet

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - 02:27 am: Edit

Hydrans might be able to build another Hull via the Old Colonies Shipyard (I think it may be turn 4, so normal cost RN, LN or HN)….

...although it refers to turns for the replacement Ship being re-built, not turns since the capital fell.

I think it must be the former - as otherwise turn 6 would always be a single turn of builds (as once you spend the 6th tranche payment to complete the shipyard, it will close down the following turn)?

i.e. As it's probably supposed to be

Turn 9 - 617 lost, so that's Turn 1, Turn 12 is turn 4 and turn 13 is 5, turn 15 is 6.

As possible written turn 1 is when the first Ep is spent on the new Ship yard, turn 4 would be when 46 to 60 Eps has been spent. But that does sounds wrong

Your might be saving the money though

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - 06:20 am: Edit

Turn 1 is the first turn that the Hydrans spend money on replacing their capital ship yard. A recent clarification by Chuck is that on turn 4 and subsequent even numbered turns of the replacement process is that construction is 1 HN or 1 LN or 1 RN.

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - 06:20 am: Edit

Deleted by author, duplicate post.