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This looks like it's shaping up to be a very interesting expansion!

--Mike

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 08:57 pm: Edit

Understand that the off-the-map=maps are ONLY used in civil wars inside one empire.

If you use them in the regular game the Coalition will utterly destroy the Kzintis and that would unbalance the game.

By Sean Schoonmaker (Schoon) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:55 am: Edit

Not to worry - I'm looking at them primarily as a lore expansion.

I've always wondered what some of those areas looked like!

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 02:00 pm: Edit

Perhaps they might later be of use during the Andromedan War, also.

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Question: do the "off-map" maps include both a "pre-war" and "post-war" status, in terms of how many provinces, colonies, and other such things are present?

For example: in the Y186 data from ISC War, (625.542) notes how many survey points the General War belligerents had accumulated (and turned into provinces) by this point in time. Both the Lyrans and Kzintis had earned 398 points by the onset of the War of Return; by my calculations, this would equal 13 [(20*5) + (30*5) + (40*3) = 370] new provinces each as per Y186, under (505.21).

Similarly, per (625.596) and (625.507), the Kzintis of Y186 have three MSYs (one for DMs, one for DWs, and one for FFs) off-map; the Lyrans of Y186 have a major conversion facility and five MSYs (two for CWs, two for DWs, and one for FFs); while both empires have two off-map colonies up and running by then.

If these have been accounted for on the off-map maps, well and good. If not, might it be worth finding locations for them?

Indeed, might the addition of these provinces and off-map facilities have an impact on the Baron's role during the War of Return - if this has yet to be factored in already?

Granted, it's possible that even while supporting the Crown Prince, the Baron might need to withhold some of the EPs from these "wartime" provinces, as part of the ongoing effort to more formally consolidate these new colony worlds into his domain in "peacetime". So there might be an in-built way to avoid having their presence unduly tip the scales of the War of Return scenario one way or the other...

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 02:28 pm: Edit

Gary, In general some of the on map areas, the off map AND survey areas, essentially a good chunk of the money involved, are all designated for 'other things' such as rebuilding the empire after 36+/- years of War, holding off/dealing with the ISC during some of these scenarios, etc. Remember: Late war economies are all but in ruins and are at 25% exhaustion recovery mode for these Civil Wars.

The early scenarios (Lyrans) do not get involved with survey or need to.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 03:52 pm: Edit

Gary, during a civil war everything stops EXCEPT the civil war. There is ZERO colonizing or colonial development or surveying or catnip farm subsides. PERIOD. QUIT MAKING THINGS HARDER.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 05:32 pm: Edit

Dang the Catnip Farm Subsides stop too?
...there will be rebellion!

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 07:35 pm: Edit

SVC: I compiled and sent you two new sets of line items and one reminder for a set that I think we crossed paths on.

Slowly we climb the mountain together.

Let me know if there is anything format-wise you would like me to do differently in these reports.

I also sent Chuck emails about a rule I am confused on / we brought up for discussion in yesterdays meeting. More to come

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Tuesday will be the soonest I read them.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Steve,

Thank you for all the work you have been able to do on this over the last 2 weeks.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 09:36 pm: Edit

Ryan, thanks, I also thank you guys for all you did. But I hit a brick wall. I woke up this morning at 1pm. Yes, PM.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:13 pm: Edit

STAFF NEEDS TO GIVE ME THE FOLLOWING:
Date I will get WYN SIT that you won't have three rounds of messing with yet to complete.
Date I will get WYN OB, same.
Date I will get Romulan civil war, same.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:41 pm: Edit

I shuld have the WYN OB (712) and and Kzinti Count and Crown Prince (705.C) and (705.C) by the end of the weekend.

The WYN SIT should be ready the same time. I just need to find/figure out some costs for Jumbos and Heavy Auxes. I will send a shorter version with just the ships needed for the module for inclusion in that and then a longer version for posting on the website.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:57 pm: Edit

Good job, Ryan, continue.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 05:15 am: Edit

Ryan, I won’t be able to touch it before noon Tuesday, so you have that long to get it as good as you can. You could even get it to Ted Fay to do spelling, grammar, punctuation, format, as long as he gets it to me Tuesday. I would even give Ted an extra day or two, if he saves me a bunch of work.

By Sean Schoonmaker (Schoon) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 04:41 pm: Edit

"Catnip farm subsides..."

That made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 10:13 am: Edit

To clarify, in this case I was referring solely to the survey points that had been gathered during the General War; the point totals noted above are the "final" historical amounts that had been accumulated - and converted into new provinces - through to mid-Y185.

In other words: in the case of the Kzintis at least, there might be use for their "off-map" map to mark both the "pre-war" provinces the Barony held back in Y168, and the thirteen new "wartime" provinces which had been established by the end of Spring Y185.

I very much did not mean to suggest that the "wartime" survey process ought to continue during the War of Return itself; this definitely would not, and should not, be the case. Apologies for any lack of clarity on this in my last post.

Although, as also noted above, the Lyrans don't have an historical civil war in this same time period, so they could get by for now with a "Y168" map of the Far Stars area in this rulebook.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 10:52 am: Edit

Gary:
The scenario rules handle this issue.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Gary:
Wartime survey is not the same as peacetime survey.

Wartime you are looking for easily exploitable resoucres.

Peacetime you are looking for habitable planets with balanced resources and available to colonize.

They are not translatable between the two.