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	NOV 2021 STAFF REPORTS ON 675	12		11/20 03:49pm
	OLD COMMENTS ON 675	11		11/11 11:52pm

Start of comments on new scenario.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Thursday, November 11, 2021 - 11:53 pm: Edit

(675.15) Probably should add Minor Empires to the list of expansions used in the scenario; even if the various minor empires are neutral there is at least one rule from the product (auxiliary battle group or some such) that would be applicable to this scenario.

By Richard Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, November 12, 2021 - 02:15 am: Edit

In one section of the Hydran OOB, it is said that four free PG-Vs have been received, but in another part it says only three have been received.

FOBS Comment: All four have been received, all four have not survived to this point. Ryan 12 Nov 21

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, November 12, 2021 - 07:01 am: Edit

(675.C411) Add to Sector C Carrier support: CSV, DWV.

(675.D411) Add to Sector D Carrier support: NVA, Crippled CVS. Replace NDS with CVH. Replace DDV with DWH.

(675.E411) Add to Sector E Carrier support: CVD, DWV, Crippled CVP.

Rationale for above: Analysis of SFU historical records, SFB R-Sections, and historical scenarios revealed missing ships or inclusion errors.

FEDS - 11 Nov 2021

FOBS concurs.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Friday, November 12, 2021 - 06:52 pm: Edit

(675.A422) The Lyrans require a ship in provinces 614 and 617 for garrison duty.

FOBS Comment: Covered under (675.A42) "Set up in Lyran territory"

(675.B22) What happened to the Lyran BTS on P1105 from (608.B22)?

FOBS Comment: Destroyed at some point. Not mentioned in either (675) or (617). Planet is Klingon controlled.

(675.B23) Should P1506 be noted as a fully recovered annexed planet (annexed on T14, recovered by T18)?

FOBS Comment: (675.B23) Klingon Occupation Status: Change Captured 1506P T4C to Annexed 1506P T14C

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, November 13, 2021 - 10:27 am: Edit

(675.23): In light of the inclusion of the (634.0) Into The Whirlpool scenario in the Tactical Operations rulebook, plus the WYN counters recently printed on the TacOps and Civil Wars countersheets, should a new sub-rule ["(675.234)", or some such?] be added in order to account for the potential to more fully involve the WYN Cluster in this scenario, should players wish to do so?

(675.B24): In light of the aforementioned scenario and counters in TacOps and Civil Wars, should this rule be updated so as to account for (634.0)?

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 - 10:11 pm: Edit

Update for Klingon OOB Sectors B, C, and D.

Add one D5B to each sector. Rationale: Klingons built only 3 of these ships, production was curtailed when D5P's started production.

FOBS

FEDS CONCURS.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, November 18, 2021 - 07:31 pm: Edit

Ryan, are you sure this is an add (increased ship count) and not a substitution (replacing a D5 with a D5B)??

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, November 18, 2021 - 08:19 pm: Edit

We've add a bunch of stuff to all sides so we should be good. Also in B and C the D5 just isn't avaialble.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Sunday, November 28, 2021 - 12:22 pm: Edit

(675.521) = Shows the Hydrans with 3 SR but (675.A411) shows 4 (2 SR, PGR, PIC). Is the PIC a recent add?\
FOBS Comment: Last sentence of (675.521) says if using Strat Ops, ignore this rule and use the ships provided in the OOB.

(675.551) = The Federation is down 3 SBs (-6 SM) with one add (+2 SM) [15-6+2=11] but 12 SMs shown [4+5+3=12].
FOBS Comment: Remove SM from Sector D. They should have 4.

(675.556) = XRef (308.91) is bracketed with 'are used" ['...are used (308.91) are used...'], delete the first set.

(675.A22) = How are both provinces considered LTC when showing T18C/T19C Held dates?
== (608.A22) shows T8C capture date for Prov 0614 [could be annexed on T18C, the T19 raid is late to delay] ...
== (608.A23) shows T12C capture date for Prov 617 ...
FOBS Comment: (608.A22) Prov 0614 capture date should be T8C. Prov 0617 renumber to 0517 (to match Gale Force) Remove LTC due to ongoing raids.

(675.A23) = Change T2C for NZ 0613-1319 to T4C as that's the earliest for that to happen.
== Status for P0519, (608.A23) shows T8C capture ...
FOBS Comment: ADD PROV: 0119P Held: LTC NO HELD: T8C:

== Shouldn't Prov 0718 be LTC, (608.A23) has T8C capture date??
FOBS Comment: No Hydran raids keep resetting the clock
== The Klingon 'PDE' on Hydrax, is that a PDU or BDE??
FOBS Comment: Should be PDU

(675.A421) = Is the MON under Auxiliary a 3rd MON? (A MON-V listed under Resources).
FOBS Comment: Delete MON under the Auxiliary listing

(675.B21) = When was P1202 recaptured (recovery time)??
FOBfaS Comment: ADD after Capital Planets have recovered from devastation: Planet in 1202 was recaptured on Spring Y178, Turn #20; it has no defense battalions (PDUs).

(675.B22) = NZ 0806-0808 listed under Lyran (text) and Klingon [(675.B23) Listing] ...
FOBS Comment: Delete listing under the Lyrans

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 - 07:05 pm: Edit

(675.C412) Remove ADM from Resources. Feds have to many ADM's in scenario. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

(675.D411) Carrier Support: Remove NAE, ship is an Unbuilt variant. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

(675.D411) Carrier Support Add 2xFCR. Needed to carry forward from Gale Force (608) Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

(675.D411) Carrier Support. Move FCA and FCF to (675.D412) Carrier Support. These are the only two F-111 and A-20 resupply ships available. Let the player decide what sector. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

(675.D411) Resources. Change 3xADM to 2xADM. Feds have to many ADMs in scenario. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

(675.E411) Support Ships. Remove CF and uncrippled CMC. Add FHL (from 5th Fleet). CF was destroyed prior to scenario start. CMC is duplicated in Cripples. Ryan Opel 20 Nov 21

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Wednesday, December 08, 2021 - 04:05 pm: Edit

(675.B24) - Should the 'Civil Wars' be change to 'Tactical Operations' as a WYN Invasion scenario (634) was included there??

FOBS Comment: Concur, change to TacOps. Ryan Opel 8 Dec 21

(675.B621) / (675.B613) - Looking at the Victory conditions, I have the Kzinti at 1400 and the Coalition at 1075 ...

FOBS Comment: Coalition needs to kill more Kzinti than they lose. Ryan Opel 8 Dec 21

Lyran production is short 2xFF for Y178F/Y179S/179F (only one FF shown) and short one FF for Y180S (no FF shown) ...

FOBS Comment: Sector B: Add 2xFF to Fall Y178-179 schedule; Add 2xFF to Spring Y179 schedule; Sector A: Add FF to Spring Y180 schedule. Ryan Opel 8 Dec 21

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, December 09, 2021 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Ryan, which sector(s) - Sector A had one FF for Y178F-Y179F and Y180F so the Y180S seems like a good fit. Sector C is limited in EP so add 2 FF to Sector B for Y178F-Y179F?

Fixed above

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Thursday, December 09, 2021 - 03:02 pm: Edit

(675.C23) - Would the Lyrans replace an operating MB with an OPB [MB in (603.C1) and (608.C23)] ??

FOBS Comment: Good point. Change OPB to MB.

(675.C421) - Any Klingon Pods being used? Note that (675.D421) has two pod entries (and 4 VAPs with a two limit).

ADD: (675.A432) TPODS: POD to GHQ; (675.B432) ADD PODS: 2xVP3; (675.C421) ADD: (675.C421) ADD PODS: 2xVP3, TP, BP, DP

(675.D21) - 2715P status, was captured T7C by Klingons (608.D22), should be devastated with 0 PDUs (depending on when liberated and whether Ms are used [Fema/CLH/FHL]).

FOBS Comment: (675.D21) ADD After "four defense battalions. Planet 2715 was recaptured on T19, it has two defense battalions and 2 turn of recovery. (675.D41) ADD: CLH must be stationed at 2715P where it is aiding in the recovery of the planet.

(675.D22) - small contradiction with NZ, text stops at 2415 but listing shows 2516 to 3017 as Klingon.
With active Tholians, and Fed positioning, should some of these NZs be neutral?

FOBS Comment: Delete: under Klingon Occupation Status: NZs - Captured: 2717, 2718, 2817-3017. Hexes are not controlled by anyone at this point

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 - 12:48 pm: Edit

(675.A1) - If the Lyrans are holding planet 0416, how are the Hydrans claiming that province before taking the planet?

Was shown as captured by the Lyrans in (608.A22) and (675.A1) shows a Lyran PGB on the planet so with any garrison ship, shouldn't the province remain Lyran held until the planet is libertated?

Or is it that the PGB claims the planet but without a garrison ship the province reverted back to the Hydrans before the scenario?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 - 04:25 pm: Edit

The last sentence is correct. PDU/PGBs can't garrison a province. You need a ship.

I'm going to put in a setup change to reflect the Lyran retreat from the HTO preventing them from setting up outside of original Lyran territory and Klingon forces cannot setup in Lyran held territory.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, June 10, 2022 - 10:14 pm: Edit

Are you guys trying to tell me to make all of the above changes to the scenario you told me was FINISHED last November?

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Saturday, June 11, 2022 - 03:09 am: Edit

SVC

If you'll email me the final jean edit i can check against this file.

Ryan

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Ryan, send me any fixes you have based on the above or anything else. I'm going to leave this topic to you to handle.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, August 02, 2022 - 11:37 pm: Edit

Looking for clarity regarding the statement on 28 July about renumbering rules. (I agree that creating a warbook level search for the change would be a nightmaree)

I can only assume it was in reference to the immediately previous suggestion (27 July) to add two additional sub sections. If that was pointed at the suggestions for (534.34) then I would resubmit that the rule doesnt necessarily need the added numbers but it would benefit from the section titles (bolded) in the proposal as well as the movement of one sentence into the procedure and out of the restriction area as follows:

(542.34) ON-MAP SURVEY: Survey ships can conduct survey missions on the map itself instead of only in the off map region, but this is by an entirely different method than off map survey. This can be in the territory of the owning empire, captured territory, or (with permission of an ally) allied territory. [In which case, the EPs do not go to the treasury unless the survey ship is connected to the main grid. They would have to be transported from the nearest allied base.]
Procedure: To conduct an on-map survey, the survey ship must move (by Operational Movement only) to a hex which does not contain a planet, base, or colony. It must take no other function for one entire game turn, at the end of which (in the Economic Phase of the next player turn) the player receives one EP (subject to a percentage reduction by Economic Exhaustion). If the survey ship (or its fighters/PFs) participates in combat (even against a raider or pirate) no EPs are gained from the survey.
Restrictions: No more than one survey ship may survey a given hex in a given turn. No hex may be surveyed more often than once every five turns. The Romulans cannot conduct on-map surveying of “the new provinces” (603.15) until they have been explored.

If this was already done (without the numbering) please kindly disregard.

L. BERGEN 2 Aug 2022