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AT14

y175 SP T14

Kzinti Econ:

Command Points: 1

Exploration: (3) 128+9=137 (+6 pr, 160 next)

Treasury: 50.55 (AT13)

On Map Provinces (24): 11
Off Map Provinces (6): 18
Captured Provinces: 0
On Map Planets: (52): 24
Off Map Planets: (11): 11
Captured Planets: 0
Smuggled:

Total EP: 114.55

Construction T14:
-8 BC (DN)
-6 TGT (BC)
-6 NCA
-8 MSC
-10 2CM
-15 3DWE
-9 3FFK (off map)

Construction Total: 62

Conversions:
3 CVL>ACS (1401, 9.5 FFF)

Conversion Total: 3

Repairs:
-2.5 (CL, FF off map)

Repair Total: 2.5

Adopt Homeless Ships: 0 (1 line LTT).

Total Spent: 67.5

Treasury: 47.05 (AT14)

FFF Left: 2.5 (AT14)

DBB:

Salvage:
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Hydran Econ:

Command Points: 1

Exploration: (3) 110+11=121 (+5 pr, 130 next)

Treasury: 65.15 (CT14)

On Map Provinces (22): 4
Off Map Provinces (4): 14
Captured Provinces: 1
On Map Planets: (35): 0
Off Map Planets: (13): 13
Captured Planets: 0

Total EP: 97.15

Construction T14:
-6 TG (0.75 FFF)
-15 3HR (4.5 FFF)
-7.5 3CU
-7.5 3HN (0215)
-4 SP
-0 PGV

Construction Total: 40

Conversions:
-2 2TR>NEC (0215, 3FFF)

Conversion Total: 2

Repairs:
-2 RN (0215)

Repair Total: 2

Total Spent: 44

Treasury: 53.15 (AT14)

FFF Left: 3.75 (AT14)

Salvage:

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Federation Econ:

Command Points: 2

Exploration: (8): 210+23=233 (+9 pr, 250 next)

Treasury: 95.45 (CT14)

On Map Provinces (92): 54
Off Map Provinces (6): 24
Captured Provinces: 1.8
On Map Planets: (123): 89
Captured Planets: 0

Total EP: 264.25

Construction T14:
-18 CVA (15 FFF)
-6 NAC
-5 DWA
-4 FFE
-3 FF (CC)
-6 TG
-6 NCA
-8 NSC
-7 NCD
-18 3NAC
-30 6NCL
-16 4DW
-24 8FF (2204, 2808, 3008, 3604)
-0 FFB
-0 SWAC

Construction Total: 151

Conversions:
-3 DN+>DNG, NCL>NAC (2204)
-2 DN+>DNG (2808)
-3 NCL>NSC (2908)
-2 DN+>DNG (3008)

Conversion Total: 10

Repairs:
-3.5 (CL, 2FF 2204)
-1.5 (NCL 2908)
-2.5 (CL, FF 3604)

Repair Total: 7.5

Adopt Homeless Ships:

Expeditionary Fleet: 1.5 (6 ships GRN)

Total Spent: 170

Treasury: 94.25

DBB:

FFF Left: 0

Salvage:

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Gorn Econ:

Command Points: 1

Exploration: (2): 9+9=18 (+0 pr, 20 next)

Treasury: 36.9 (CT14)

On Map Provinces (36): 34
Off Map Provinces (6): 6
Captured Provinces: 0: 4
On Map Planets: (45): 45
Captured Planets: 0

Total EP: 125.9

Construction T14:
-16 DNL (DN)
-6 TG (BC)
-8 CM
-15 3HD
-12 4DD (4206, 4806)
-3 DD
-5 SP

Construction Total: 65

Conversions:
-3 CM>CMV, CL>CLE (4206)
-2 2BD>BDE (4806)
-36 BATS>SB (4402)

Conversion Total: 41

Activation:
-2 TG (#6)

Activation Total: 2

Adopt Homeless Ships: 0 (3 ZIN+CV)

Total Spent: 108

Treasury: 17.9 (AT14)

Salvage:
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Tholians T14:

Build for AT14: CC, 2PC
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-HYD TG at 0215 drops BP and picks up new SP.
-HYD TG off map picks up BP.
-GRN new TG picks up new SP.
-GRN activated TG off map picks up BP.

-LTT in 0212 sets up as supply point.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, July 11, 2022 - 10:44 am: Edit

AT14

Raids have happened and moves have started.

During the raids phase, the Alliance successfully disrupted 6 Coalition provinces; a Hydran THR forgot to arm weapons and was chased off by a Lyran POL in a 7th province. The 2 GRN BF in their raiding pool took the season off, as the Romulans all set up inside Romulan space, making all possible raid hexes a little too dangerous.

In Hydran space, the Hydrans are currently pinning the Lyrans at SB 0411, possibly opening the way for some exciting, risky shenanigans.

In Kzinti space, the Kzinti are rounding up and pinning everything in reach, also possibly opening the way for some exciting, risky shenanigans.

Lots to move.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, July 16, 2022 - 08:40 am: Edit

AT14

Moves are well underway!

In Hydran space, the Hydrans pinned all the Lyrans at SB 0411, and sent a small, brave, scrappy group of forward deployed ships to raid the Lyran capital! There are no reserves in range, no ships in the Capital, so the Hydrans will have an LC, GRV, SC, and 2CU to fight undefended capital worlds! They also had an HN with the group, but it got pinned out by the SB fighters. I can't imagine that 27 compot of ships will manage to do that much after an approach battle (against 3 independent fighter squadrons), but I'll probably devastate at least one minor planet! Woo! The Hydrans are also beating up a couple small piles of province garrisons that likely aren't gonna see reserves show up.

On the Kzinti front, the Kzinti are attacking numerous small groups of ships, likely recapturing planets 1001, 1105, and 1504, and have sent forces to go kill BATS 0705 and 1307. 0705 is lightly defended, but the Kzinti don't have overwhelming force there; BATS 1307 sees a lot of Kzinti (70+SEQ) vs a similar number of Coalition ships.

On the Fed/Klingon front, the Fed are still in pinning mode, having sent ships to planet 2106, planet 2306 and hexes 2709 and 2711. Not everything is pinned yet.

On the Fed/Romulan front, again, still mostly pinning things. Lots of ships on both sides at planet 3210; small province garrisons being hit by larger forces in hexes 3308 and 3412.

On the Gorn front, the Gorn sent a significant force (about 40 SEQ) to lightly defended BATS 5010 (the only target out of range of significant reaction forces). The Feds sent about 20 SEQ to hit some province raiders in the SW corner of Gorn space, seeing if anything would react in, and nothing did.

Still ships to move!

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 09:55 am: Edit

>> so the Hydrans will have an LC, GRV, SC, and 2CU to fight undefended capital worlds!

Go go plucky Hydrans!

--Mike

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Sunday, July 17, 2022 - 09:59 am: Edit

AT14

Op moves are done!

On the Hydran front, 5 battle hexes. 5 ships raiding the Lyran capital in 0408 (that will likely devastate, maybe, one minor planet), an HN fighting 12IFF in 0309 (it was pinned), a big pinning mess over SB 0411 (about 80 SEQ on a side), and two mobs beating up province garrisons in 0217 and 0415. The Klingons have a single modest reserve in 0617 that can reach the forces in 0217 or 0415, but the reserve won't change the outcome of either hex (i.e. the Hydrans will win there).

On the Kzinti front, 7 battle hexes. BATS 0705 sees about 18 SEQ of Kzinti facing 10 Lyrans and the BATS ; BATS 1307 sees about 60 SEQ of Kzinti vs more Coalition (the Kzinti can certainly kill the BATS, but it might be expensive); planet 1001 is about 20 Kzinti vs about 12 Coalition; planet 1504 is about 37 SEQ of Kzinti vs about 20 SEQ of Coalition; 0903, 1704, and planet 1104 see larger mobs of Kzinti likely just killing an FF and seeing the Coalition run away. There are 2 Klingon reserves at planet 1910 that can reach the fight over BATS 1307, but if they go there, it won't affect the outcome in any significant way.

On the Fed/Klingon front, 5 battle hexes. Planet 2106 sees about 20 Feds facing about 15 Klingons; planet 2306 sees about 80 ships on a side; planet 2610 sees a Fed battle line facing a handful of frigates; 2709 sees about 40 ships on a side; 2711 sees a Fed battle line against a handful of FFs. The two Klingon reserves at planet 1910 can make it to the fights at planets 2106 and 2306 and could certainly turn the tide in either or both of those fights. There is also a mostly insignificant Klingon reserve (2D5, 2E3A) that can reach a couple fights, but it will not make a difference in any of those spots.

On the Fed/Romulan front, 3 battle hexes. Planet 3210 sees about 60 Feds facing about 40 Coalition; hexes 3308 and 3412 see larger mobs of Feds attacking small groups of province raiders that may or may not result in cloaked evasion.

On the Gorn front, 2 battle hexes. 4008 sees about 20 Feds hitting a few province raiders (they moved there seeing if a million Romulans were going to react in to the hex. They did not); BATS 5010 sees about 40 Gorn (including an adopted Kzinti DDV group) facing 10 Romulans. There are two Romulan reserves in 4411 which can reach either hex (11 ships in total) that I suspect will end up at the BATS, making it a more expensive fight if the Gorns stick it out there. The Romulans were set up very defensively inside their border, so not a lot to attack safely, and a lot of opportunity to draw more ships inside Gorn space, which they did not want to do, so as to ensure their BATS>SB conversion in 4402 is successful.

On to battles!

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Monday, July 18, 2022 - 01:13 pm: Edit

AT14

Combat is underway!

The most exciting thing that happened so far is that the small, scrappy group of Hydrans successfully raided the Lyran capital and devastated a minor planet (Fantar!). In my history of playing F+E, I think that is the first time I have successfully devastated a Coalition capital planet in a General War game. I mean, it isn't gonna do much other than cost the Lyrans 8 EPs over the course of the 4 turns it is recovering (and it'll probably cost the Hydrans about half that in repairs), but it's something! The Hydrans lost their fighters and took 2 crippled CUs and then retreated out into a fighting retreat over the fighters pinning the HN out of the hex, which will probably result in another 2 crippled FFs, but at least the ships will then get to retreat again and retrograde back to SB 0215. I probably could have devastated a second minor planet if I wanted to burn all my ships up, but that seemed like a bad trade.

On other fronts, the Alliance have managed to sink 8 frigates in one sided fights (but at least one hex resulted in no dead when the Romulans made all their evasion rolls), and a few fights are underway--the Kzinti vs BATS 1307; the Feds vs Klingons in open space in 2709, and the Gorn vs BATS 5010.

By Graham Cridland (Grahamcridland) on Monday, July 18, 2022 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Doolittle Raid, baby.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, July 18, 2022 - 11:44 pm: Edit

!!!!!!!!

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The most exciting thing that happened so far is that the small, scrappy group of Hydrans successfully raided the Lyran capital and devastated a minor planet (Fantar!).

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By Douglas Lampert (Dlampert) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 12:20 am: Edit

I think I remember the discussion at the time that the battle might make a nice mini-scenario for a capital assault or even for solo play.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 09:13 am: Edit

Heh, It only happened 'cause Jason either wasn't particularly worried about getting a single minor planet devastated, or just kinda didn't notice that it was possible; it could have been avoided by just leaving a few ships in the capital (like, 3DWs or something) or having a small reserve nearby. I mean, like, there were a lot of things going on on the map, and a lot of potential attack points, and not enough things to defend them all, so occasionally, mistakes are made, but I'm not gonna claim strategic brilliance here or anything. I just left a TG with the small group of province raiders in Lyran space, to become a supply point in case an opportunity opened up, and it turned out ok.

Other than, like, feeling accomplished for devastating a planet in the Lyran capital, and costing the Lyrans a total of 6.5 EPs over 4 turns (economic exhaustion sets in soon...), the successful raid didn't really do all that much. Other than encourage the Lyrans to leave a few ships in the capital :-)

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 09:28 am: Edit

AT14

Combat continue to rage across the octant!

At BATS 1307, the Kzinti showed up with a command point, drone bombardment, a brand new ACS (the scout/6+8H carrier available in y175, a couple years before general heavy fighter deployment), a bunch of new DWEs, and outgunned the Coalition (mostly 'cause all the D6Ds were off on the other fronts), and they blasted through an approach battle, and vaporized the BATS in one shot, losing a DWE (in approach) and MSC (over the BATS) for their trouble. They then felt good about accomplishing their mission and left the area.

The Kzinti also retook planets 1001 and 1504 with minimal bloodshed on either side (the Kzinti losing a couple FFs, the Coalition losing some slightly bigger ships, probably a D5 and an F5).

Over on the Gorn side of things, the Gorn attacked BATS 5010 (the one in the far NE corner that usually is spying on the ISC); the Romulans had a modest pile of ships (about 7 or 8 that were there and then a dozen reserve ships that showed up), but nothing real impressive, so they avoided the approach, and the Gorn just came in, got lucky and exactly scored 36 damage in one shot to kill the BATS; the Romulans rolled well enough to sink a BC without mauling, so they did that, and then the Gorn, also feeling good about accomplishing their mission, left the area.

In Fed space, the Feds have recaptured planet 2610 (which was neither in doubt, nor particularly important), pushed the Klingons sitting in 2709 back a hex, and are currently fighting the Coalition over planet 3210 (a large, Fed advantaged fight that will probably end quickly with the Coalition retreating), and planet 2306, which is actually a problem. I thought that fight out poorly, resulting in a disadvantaged fight when both good Klingon reserves showed up, which likely means the Feds will lose the fight, leave the planet in Klingon hands, and also leave about 100 Klingons on a supply point, 6 hexes from Earth (and will also let the 15 some odd ships that are about to flee from planet 2106 retreat a hex close to Earth as well). Yeesh.

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 05:55 pm: Edit

>> nice mini-scenario for a capital assault

Is the list of ships available somewhere?

--Mike

By Mike Erickson (Mike_Erickson) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 06:00 pm: Edit

>> Other than encourage the Lyrans to leave a few ships in the capital :-)

I'm curious why the Lyrans didn't have at least a couple of ships in the Capital hex waiting for major conversion? I often send a few CLs to wait in 0408, for example, to become BCs. Or perhaps the Lyrans were pursuing a different strategy this game?

--Mike

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 - 07:10 pm: Edit

As noted, I think there was basically a lot of potential hot spots, not enough ships to spread around, and I suspect the Lyrans were willing to risk getting a minor planet devastated. Other than the propaganda score, me devastating that minor planet has virtually zero impact on the grand scheme (2EPs this upcoming turn, 1.5 EPs each of the next 3 turns due to economic exhaustion setting in, then the planet recovers, and it is unlikely the Hydrans will ever make it back).

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 - 08:22 am: Edit

AT14

Combat is over!

On the Hydran front, the Hydrans raided the Lyran capital and devastated a minor planet. They also killed a few FFs from province garrisons, and swapped a CU for a DWS in the approach battle over SB 0411.

On the Kzinti front, the Kzinti killed Klingon BATS 1307, Lyran BATS 0705, liberated planets 1001 and 1504, and killed some province raiders.

On the Fed front, the Feds liberated planets 2106, 2610, and 3210; killed some province raiders, but failed to push the Klingons off planet 2306.

On the Gorn front, the Gorn killed Romulan BATS 5010 and a province raiding SN got vaporized.

Ships Killed:

-ZIN: MSC, DWE, 2FFK, FF
-HYD: CU
-FED: 4FFE, 2FF
-GRN: BC

-LYR: DWS, DD, 3FF
-KLI: D7C, 3D7, D6, 2D5, F5, 5E4
-ROM: SN

Also lost were 3 Coalition BATS and 2 Lyran PDUs.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Wednesday, July 20, 2022 - 10:16 am: Edit

AT14

The turn is over!

On the Hydran front, the Hydrans have about 80 ships (and a billion fighters) on SB 0215; a dozen ships in hex 0217 helping keep supply open to the Old Colonies, some small groups spread around the map (including some capturing 2 Lyran provinces), and two reserves off map--one solid at 10 ships, one weak at 4.

On the Kzinti front, the Kzinti have about 90 ships in their capital (also with a billion fighters); a dozen ships holding planet 1202; about 30 ships holding planet 1504; numerous small groups around the map holding space. They have a moderate reserve of 11 (not real impressive) ships in the Capital, and another modest reserve of 9 ships off map.

The Gorn have about 50 ships at SB 4206, about 45 ships at SB 4806, and two solid reserves (12 ships and 8 ships) in 4403, with a few DDs on some BATS here and there.

The Fed front has become precarious, with now about 175 Coalition ships in range of Earth, with multiple supply points in range as well (planets 2306 and 2509 are both held by the Klingons currently). This has resulted in the Feds pulling back to the Capital largely. There are about 100 ships in 2908 (Capital), plus another ~30 ships in three reserves there as well. The three starbases around the Capital each have about 20 ships on them (so a grand total of about 200 total SEQ in and around the Fed capital, including the three reserves). SB 2204 has about 60 ships and then a modest 4th reserve of about 10 ships (mostly FFs). Over on the Romulan side of things, there are about 25 ships spread between planet 3706 and BATS 3806 (the only two targets on that side of things the Romulans can reach; SB 3604 is out of range of all but about 3 frigates). There are also various small groups holding down some otherwise defenseless planets.

The upcoming turn could be brutal for the Feds.

Map:
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/SCD4AT14end.html

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, July 22, 2022 - 09:36 am: Edit

So we are taking a break for a bit on this game for various reasons. It might pick up again in the near future, or it might not.

But until then, some game stats!

On T14, the Coalition produced 52 (including activations) and overbuilt 10 ships, for a total of 62 ships for the turn.

The Alliance produced 66 ships (no overbuilds).

So the Alliance are currently (finally) marginally outproducing the Coalition, and if economic exhaustion curtails Coalition overbuilding (which it may or may not; this turn, they overbuilt 10CWs in total; after 75% exhaustion, they'll still likely be capable of occasionally overproducing some FFs), the Alliance will end up generally producing about a dozen more ships per turn than the Coalition for the forseeable future.

On T14, the Coalition lost 33 ships; the Alliance lost 37 (it was an unusual turn, ship death wise, as there were 9 or so rounds over the Hydran SB where the Coalition directed ships and the Hydrans dropped damage to try and keep the SB alive). So both sides lost more than half the number of ships they produced for the turn.

Since the start of the game, the Coalition have lost a total of 316 ships (ignoring auxes); the Alliance have lost a total of 183 ships (also ignoring auxes). So the Coalition have been losing ships at a rate of about 1.8:1 (i.e. almost 2 ships for every 1 ship the Alliance lose). The Coalition have lost more ships than the Alliance on every turn of the game *except* for T14 (C33 to A37). T14 is also the high water mark for total ship death (70 ships in total for both sides for the full turn). T12 was the deadliest turn for the Coalition, as they lost 47 ships that full turn.

As of the end of T14, the Coalition have 1005 total ships on the map (ignoring F SEQs, Auxes, and fighters); the Alliance have 802 total ships.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Friday, July 22, 2022 - 07:40 pm: Edit

The ship numbers include the fact that every empire has built the maximum number of ships possible, except for the Hydrans who had no shipyard for 6 turns (but during that time, built the possible 2FFs per turn, plus a PG hull every other turn, and the maximum possible hulls from the OCS, including the IC). It helps that we are using a house rule of "you can always build an FF" (i.e. any build slot can be an FF instead of what it is supposed to be), but in all reality, the number of times that this house rule was any different than the standard downbuilding rules could be counted on one hand.

As of press time, the various empires have the following fighter factors on the map (ignoring AUXes, FCRs, etc.):

-ZIN: 167
-HYD: 217.5
-FED: 160
-GRN: 18

-LYR: 54
-KLI: 179
-ROM: 93

So a total of 562.5 Alliance ship mounted fighter factors on the map and 326 Coalition ship mounted fighter factors on the map.

By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Saturday, July 23, 2022 - 09:50 pm: Edit

As of the end of T14, the Coalition have 140 points worth of crippled repair to do on the map (70 EPs worth). The Alliance have 6 points worth of crippled repair on the map (3 EPs; 3 crippled Hydran FFs from the raid on the Lyran capital).

The vast majority of the Coalition cripples can be repaired on CT15 (maybe 24 points of repair will be leftover after the hypothetical CT15 repair phase).

By Sarahfep on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 - 04:29 am: Edit

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By Peter Bakija (Bakija) on Tuesday, October 03, 2023 - 10:43 am: Edit

Just in case it matters at some point, my web server location went out of business (after, like, 30 years; the guy who ran it died), so all my map links are gone from these threads. Sorry, and kind of a bummer. But time marches on.