F&E ISC WAR - INDIGO 2024 (5 Sheets)

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By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, June 27, 2024 - 09:47 pm: Edit

K-2 CRIPPLED SIDE: APT has the Crippled bar running through the nomenclature: Suggest remove the bar entirely as APTs do not have a crippled side and the identifier should just read in big bold letters (as they are) APT.

J-2, J-3, J-4 CRIPPLED SIDE: Recommend increasing the size of the ADM nomenclature to match that of the DIP and APT. This will require the +1, 0, -1 numbers to be justified accordingly. And it will help aging eyes. :)
FEDS: See Sheet P&Q for ADM marker formatting.

M-12 CRIPPLED SIDE: MB SET UP - Suggest remove crippled bar as it is covering the word SET. The back side should say MB SET UP (center justified as it is).

ALL DONE SVC 1 JULY 24

L. Bergen 27 JUNE 2024

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, June 28, 2024 - 12:01 am: Edit

I thought they were supposed to be yellow; I think the first ones should have been. I can change it, but they are a pain to do, as each has to be selected individually by hand. Tedious. Is it necessary?

FEDS: Yellow or white -- it's not critical -- getting the factors correct is.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, June 28, 2024 - 11:22 am: Edit

G11 Crippled Side: SB 6PP should be 6P Reason: Starbases lose one of their P factors when crippled across empires per SIT. Thomas Mathews 28 Jun 2024
FEDS: CONCURS.
DONE

H1 Crippled Side: CCX 16 should be 8. Thomas Mathews 28 Jun 2024
FEDS: CONCURS.
DONE

N17 Crippled Side HDWR remove [6] Reason: No HDWR for any empire has the replacement fighters available once crippled per SITs. Thomas Mathwes 28 Jun 2024
FEDS: CONCURS.
NOT DONE, NEEDS FURTHER REVIEW, PUBLISHED COUNTER HAS [6] ON BACK.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, June 28, 2024 - 02:49 pm: Edit

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, June 28, 2024 - 03:17 pm: Edit

INDIGO J-6: CRIPPLED SIDE LHF (POD): Clear the factors, including the crippled stripe. Leave only the LHF name, match the font and font size to the other pods found in I-5 and I-6, justify left to right, top and bottom.
FEDS: CONCURS.
FIXED, SVC, 1 JULY 24

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, June 29, 2024 - 05:44 am: Edit

INDIGO I-16: LPT: CORRECT pod factors to read: [PP] (not [P]) per SSD (R13.94) that show this pod carries TWO replacement flotillas.
NOTE STAFF: We need to correct this on the SITs also.

SIT and counter fixed.--SVC 1 july 24

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, June 29, 2024 - 05:56 am: Edit

ADB: SHEET INDIGO: The CRIPPLED COLUMN heading numbers need to run from left to right 20-1 to match front counters.

Some prior CRIPPLED side reported cells may need to be inverted.
FIXED, SVC, 1 JULY 24

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, June 30, 2024 - 04:18 am: Edit

INDIGO REPORT
From Ken Kazinski

INDIGO: I-11 (Back I-10): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: I-12 (Back I-09): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: I-13 (Back I-08): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: I-13 (Back I-07): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: J-11 (Back J-10): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: J-12 (Back J-09): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.
INDIGO: J-13 (Back J-08): FFE - Per the SIT the back factors are 2-3.

INDIGO: M-01 (Back M-20): HDW = The box to put the type of HDW is missing for the generic HDW.

INDIGO: M-11 (Back M-10): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: M-12 (Back M-09): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: M-13 (Back M-08): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: M-14 (Back M-07): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: M-15 (Back M-06): PST - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: M-18 (Back M-03): BTS - Remove the PPD on the back side of the counter.
INDIGO: M-19 (Back M-02): STB - Remove the PPD on the back side of the counter.

INDIGO: N-11 (Back N-10): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-12 (Back N-09): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-13 (Back N-08): PS - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-14 (Back N-07): PSX - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-15 (Back N-06): PSTX - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-17 (Back N-04): BSX - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-18 (Back N-03): BTX - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.
INDIGO: N-19 (Back N-02): STX - Remove the PPD from the back side of the counter per the ISC SIT.

FEDS CONCURS with all of the above.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 01, 2024 - 03:03 pm: Edit

EVERYTHING DONE

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, July 01, 2024 - 04:22 pm: Edit


Quote:

N17 Crippled Side HDWR remove [6] Reason: No HDWR for any empire has the replacement fighters available once crippled per SITs. Thomas Mathwes 28 Jun 2024
FEDS: CONCURS.
SVC: NOT DONE, NEEDS FURTHER REVIEW, PUBLISHED COUNTER HAS [6] ON BACK.




FEDS is not aware of any record of any FCR in F&E that retains replacement fighters available once crippled. However, FEDS find clear precedence that all other FCRs in F&E do not retain any replacement fighters once crippled.

FEDS CONCLUSION: This was a misprinted counter missed by us all during the original editing process of ISC War in 2011.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, July 01, 2024 - 10:10 pm: Edit

I know that, Chuck, it was obviously an earlier mistake. The question now is do we correct it or live with it. You know how I hate changing published counters. I asked the staff to review the situation, not define it, and give me some thoughts on which way to go here.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Tuesday, July 02, 2024 - 05:28 am: Edit

I recommend correcting the mistake. It's also goes against established precedence and creates an uber FCR that retains its main resupply mission when crippled.

Additionally, it's one thing to unknowingly make a mistake back then, but it's another thing to discover that it was an error and choose to not correct it now. I think it would be best to do the right thing and strive to continuously improve the product. Besides, it's only one counter on the sheet to correct that has not been published elsewhere.

Also, speaking as a player, I want to play with the correct counter factors that accurately reflect the published material.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, July 02, 2024 - 02:31 pm: Edit

We just need to invent a way to fix the factors on counters already printed and in the hands of players.

In this case, I think I can agree to change it. In most cases where a ship is arguably one point off what it should be I would rather leave it alone, but this is a class-pattern situation.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, July 02, 2024 - 03:51 pm: Edit

In this particular case we have been lucky. The simple fix for this is a fine tip sharpie. Not ideal of course, and in many cases it would not work, but for this situation it’s truly how I (easily) fixed mine.

Going forward I agree we can look for a better way, especially as color schemes do not always allow for the simple fix (marker to correct). As staff, strive to use the most recent guidance and all resources available to improve the products making them the best and most accurate they can be.

Thank you for the solution.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, July 03, 2024 - 08:01 pm: Edit

There is that.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 26, 2024 - 04:04 pm: Edit

ALL DONE


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