The Missing C9s
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The Missing C9s
According to the “Starship Name Registry” and the “Klingon Master Starship Book”, as well as their OOB and production schedule in “Fighter Operations”, the Klingons started the Four Powers War with three C6s and built five more, and two of those were lost in the war. We know that the Y168 C8’s “Admiral Kang” and “Terror” had to have been upgraded from C6’s because the Klingon DN slots for Y167S and Y168S had to be used for their two C5’s. This leaves 4xC6 unaccounted for, specifically Atrocity, Victory, Carnivorous and Admiral Kruge, all of which are also named elsewhere as C9 dreadnoughts. And since the C8 and C9 are indistinguishable at the F&E level, this means that the Klingons should have four more C8s in their starting OOB (one each in the Northern Fleet, Eastern Fleet, Western Fleet, and Southern Reserve Fleet).
I realize that they were probably left out for balance reasons, but just how much would it really unbalance the game to give the Klingon Y168 OOB a historically accurate number of C8's?
I always assumed extra C6s were just too worn out, perhaps one being sold to the Romulans (who upgraded it to the KC9R)? I dunno.
Certainly giving the Klingons four more DNs prior to attacking the Feds would be a balance issue.
There are no missing Klingon DNs.
I could be wrong, but I think BLJ is trying to establish just when did the four named C6 dreadnoughts get refitted to the C8 or C9 standard?
As Richard pointed out, adding 4 more C-6 dreadnoughts to the OOB would be unbalancing, the only options are refit to a modern variant design (such as C-8 or C-9), sale of the original hull (romulans?) or otherwise removed from service in the Deep Space Fleet for cause. (Could be various reasons... perhaps one was automated and used as a target to evaluate the effectiveness of Klingons predominant weapons before the start of the General War.)
Maybe one was lost on duty, and not recovered? Happened to other ships in SFH.
Could it be that one was too badly damaged in combat, and was refitted to be the emperor’s personal yacht? 
Not all named ships are built, not all ships on a production schedule are built.
Both sources describe the 4 named ships as having been built.
Which takes us back to the point ALT4 diverges from the timeline.
If it is Year 167 (or earlier) the C-6 hulls BLJ listed above would still exist as C-6 variants, and he seems concerned with how the Klingons went from having their fleet flagships transitioning from the C-6 standard to whatever variants they existed as by the Spring of year 168.
Not all SFU history is published, so if ADB says the Klingon at-start OOB is correct, then we're all good here.
Could be they were too old / worn out to be of use and thus were sent to the breakers.
Garth L. Getgen
YIS 150, so the hulls were likely not more than 18 years old in Y168. Hard to see how they could have gotten worn out that quickly.
Look at the real world and the litoral combat ships. At least one of the retired ships is only 4 years old. Yet the class is still in production (apparently with some serious design changes!)
It is possible that some of the klingon C-6 hulls had an unrepairable design flaw that was too expensive to repair or replace.
The United States built well over a thousand escort ships during ww2. The ones wth the old triple expansion steam engines were discarded while the more modern ones built with modern destroyer type engines were retained.
Perhaps a bright klingon engineer used a shortcut to maximize C-6 production...and after the end of the four powers war, those ships got retired as it was too expensive to fix them.
Maybe we discount the first two DN build for the Klingons. Like the Hydrans or Federation.
Somehow I keep coming back to
'There are no missing DNs.'
All four named ships appear in the Starship Name Index:
Admiral Kruge: Klingon C9A Stasis Dreadnought.
• Y175 froze Federation ships SH81.
Atrocity: Klingon C9-3.
• Y171, Koval’s flagship, Southeast Fleet, Invasion of the
Federation. Admiral Koval had a discussion with his
lawyer on Federation strategies, Lawfare, CL31. Terror,
rendezvouing with newly arrivng ships, was attacked by
the Federation DN Alliance, SL240, CL31.
Carnivorous: Klingon C9-4. Survived the General War and and
the Andromedan War and was interned at Organia in
Y203; see SH156.
Victory: Klingon C8K (converted from C9-1)
• Y182 Flagship of Kumerian in Y182 Operation Cavalry
SH11. Boom separated and fought pursuit forces in SL2
There are no missing Klingon DNs.
1. Victory, C9, ex-C6
2. Kang, C8
3. Attrocity, C9, ex-C6
4. Carnivorous, C9, ex-C6
5. Kruge, C9A, ex-C9, Ex-C6
6. Terror, C8
#. Kurilt, C5A
#. Kuyper, C5
See the online SHIP NAME REGISTRY under Klingon dreadnoughts. This document mentions other C6s that were lost during the 4PW. (The number is unclear but whatever it is accounts for anything you incorrectly think is "missing.") See also the SHIP NAME INDEX online which confirms this data.
Repeating: THERE ARE NO MISSING KLINGON DREADNOUGHTS. No DNs were left out for balance reasons. The F&E OB is correct at 6, period, end of sentence, full stop.
Please do not continue that line of bad logic. You are wasting your time and my time.