By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:40 am: Edit |
Quote:By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 09:22 am: Edit
Hey, I was reading SFB J2. In the text section about the CVH (and I presume this would also apply to the CAV?), it said that the ships often operated independantly after Y180.
Should we add to the text on the Master SIT about the CVH (and CAV?) that they can be operated without escorts after S180?
By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:44 am: Edit |
Federation: Heavy Cruisers: CVH: NOTES: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ Reasons listed below.
R2.100 CVH does indeed state that the ship operated without escorts beginning in Y180.
F&E Rule (440.1) Covering the NVH and NVA, F-111 and A-20 variants respectively, and the SIT state these ships are single ship carriers and do not require escorts.
R2.132 CAV does state that the ship can operate without escorts beginning in Y180 in the table showing the most likely escorts.
Thomas Mathews 13 May 2021
By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 01:09 pm: Edit |
Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHA: Reference (527.0) should be (532.0). The NHA carries A-20s (532.0) not F-111s (527.0) Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021
Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHA: Notes: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ The table in R2.134 shows the NHA may operate without escorts beginning in Y180. Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021
Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHV: Notes: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ The table in R2.113 shows the NHV may operate without escorts beginning in Y180. Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021
By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 07:52 am: Edit |
Wrong Topic
By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 06:26 pm: Edit |
All A20 carriers must be escorted (532.225) ...
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 01:23 pm: Edit |
SIT Federation DDX and HWX are size-4 units, but when used in battlegroups count against the limit on size-3 units (i.e., such a battlegroup can only have a total of three). This eliminates a problem caused by the 6xDDX superpack destroying everything in its sight during Y184. The change in size class is justified in both cases. The DDX is in fact a cruiser, not a destroyer, but is classified as size-4 due to its unique design history. We may yet change the Master SIT. As for the X-version of the HDW, what can we say? HDWs are just "strange" in many ways. They are as big as light cruisers, but classified as size-4 due to their DW design heritage. Allowing it to act as a size-4 unit in a battlegroup seriously warps the game system.
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 04:02 pm: Edit |
SIT-FED: The Federation DVL is converted from a DNL. Historically, this was done in Y173. The eight fighter factors are a single F14 squadron. No more than one can be in service at any given time. This ship can function as an unescorted carrier only when used on raids under the AO rules.
SIT-FED: The note on the Federation CVF means just what it says; you get to build this one ship outside of the normal production system. Only one can be in service at a time; building a replacement for the original CVF would mean converting a CF (2 points) or a CA (5 points) or building it as a substitution for a CF (10 points), plus the cost of fighters. This ship can function as an unescorted carrier only when used on raids under the AO rules.
SIT Federation SIT: CC should not have the battlegroup mark.
By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Saturday, June 12, 2021 - 08:35 pm: Edit |
ADD PDU+ for Fed PDU with doubled fighters
PDU+ R1.14 #(12)/None F&E 0 Y181 -NA- Built at Shipyard: 4+6 Self-generated: 5+6 Upgrade: 7+6 NOTE: Use the PDU+ for Federation Fighters with doubled fighters. Fed PDUs cannot use F-111s per (527.14). Ryan Opel CL53 Q&A 12 Jun 21
By Intuics on Tuesday, November 22, 2022 - 09:53 pm: Edit |
By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Monday, December 26, 2022 - 12:36 am: Edit |
ALL LINE ITEMS HAVE BEEN NOTED ABOVE FOR SUBMISSION TO SVC BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
Ryan J Opel
FEAST
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, June 08, 2023 - 09:34 pm: Edit |
FED SURVEY SHIPS - SIT CORRECTIONS
Fed GSC: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 7; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4] = 7
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Fed CVL: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 8+6; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Carrier+1] = 8+6
Fed CVL: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 16+6; Rationale: [CA+8]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Carrier+1] = 16+6
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Fed COV: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 8; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Troops+1] = 8
Fed COV: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 16; Rationale: [CA+8]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Troops+1] = 16
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Fed GSX: Recommended CHANGES: From CC:12; Rationale: [CC base hull to x-ship+5]+[survey systems+3]+[EW+4]= 12
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Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From CX: 10+18; Rationale: [survey systems+3]+[EW+4]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 10+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From GSC/COV: 9+18; Rationale: [CA base hull to x-ship+6]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 9+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From CC: 15+18; Rationale: [CC base hull to x-ship+5]+[survey systems+3]+[EW+4]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 15+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From GSX: 3+18; Rationale: [non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 10+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 21+18; Rationale: [CX+12]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[new build F-111 carrier+2] = 21+18
By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 12, 2023 - 09:06 pm: Edit |
Fed NAE: From NEC: 4 should be 4Ñ (minor conversion symbol) Reason: The NCL conversion to an NCA is a 3 Point Minor conversion. The NEC to an NAC conversion is a 1 Point Minor conversion. While both conversions should be a 4 point minor similar to the NCL to NAE conversion. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2023
By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Sunday, August 06, 2023 - 11:18 pm: Edit |
FHL, 2xFTL, 3xFTS are listed in the SIT as FHL LAM, FTL LAG, and FTS SAG. The LAx/SAx is not supported by R8 as an alternate designator. Recommend removing the LAx/SAx from the SIT and leaving the first part of the name.
By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Sunday, August 06, 2023 - 11:20 pm: Edit |
FED REP-POD should be renamed REP to match counter.
By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Tuesday, September 05, 2023 - 10:50 pm: Edit |
STP R1.145 0F/0 NO 0 Y178 None None (555.1): 440 0.000 The Racer's Edge, changes any ship to "fast"
Good one SVC took 3 yrs for someone to notice.
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 03:13 pm: Edit |
Ryan, prepare a list of needed changes for the Feds, all of them you have time to do, and post it. I'll let you know where we go from there.
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 08:23 pm: Edit |
NOW HEAR THIS - ALL HANDS ON DECK:
If ADB is readying to update the Feds SITs soon, one should post any Federation counter related SITS issues ASAP. However, before you do, PLEASE check this file for posts related to your issue so as to avoid repetitive posts.
Thank you,
FEDS
By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
Chuck, you are frightening the horses.
By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, September 08, 2023 - 08:36 am: Edit |
Disregard:
Quote:By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 12, 2023 - 09:06 pm: Edit
Fed NAE: From NEC: 4 should be 4Ñ (minor conversion symbol) Reason: The NCL conversion to an NCA is a 3 Point Minor conversion. The NEC to an NAC conversion is a 1 Point Minor conversion. While both conversions should be a 4 point minor similar to the NCL to NAE conversion. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2023
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 05:19 am: Edit |
Recommend adding the following Fed DLMs to the SIT:
Ship | Ref | Factors | CR | YIS | Convert | Build | Salv | Notes |
DLM | A10 | 10-11F(1)/5-6(0.5)+Module | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 2^+1 | For DN: 18^+1 | 4.200 | Fast Dreadnought, must use HDW modules, (551.63); conjectural. (^ plus configuration cost) |
DLMA | A10 | 10-11F(10V)/5-6(5V) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 3+1+AOG | For DN: 19+1+AOG | 4.200 | Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural. |
DLMG | A10 | 10-11FG(1)/5-6G(0.5) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 3+1 | For DN: 19+1 | 4.200 | Commando mode; conjectural. |
DLMK | A10 | 11F(1)/6(0.5) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 2+1 | For DN: 18+1 | 4.200 | Combat mode; conjectural. |
DLMP | A10 | 10-11FP*(1)/5-6P(0.5) | 9 | Y181F | From DNL: 3+1+POG | For DN: 19+1+POG | 4.200 | PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural. |
DLMS | A10 | 10-11F*(1)/5-6(0.5) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 4$+1 | For DN: 20+1 | 4.200 | Scout mode; (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural. |
DLMV | A10 | 10-11F(6)/5-6(3) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 3+1+COG | For DN: 19+1+COG | 4.200 | Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural. |
DLMY | A10 | 10-11F(8Y)/5-6(4Y) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 3+1+YOG | For DN: 19+1+YOG | 4.200 | Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural. |
DLMZ | A10 | 10-11F*(6H)/5-6(3H) | 9 | Y180 | From DNL: 3+1+ZOG | For DN: 19+1+ZOG | 4.200 | Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier. Scout (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural. |
Quote:(551.63) FEDERATION MODULAR DREADNOUGHT (DLM):
This ship was proposed but never built. The Federation can build
it in place of a dreadnought or convert it from a DNL. It uses the
HDW rules (525.2) but is limited to missions A (A-20s); G; K; S;
V; Y (F101s); Z. Mission P could be used if the Federation took
the option to build PFs but then Missions Y and A would be disallowed.
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 05:54 am: Edit |
Fed HWXs: the entire chart was a bad clone of the ISC chart with too many changes to report. Recommend using the following data:
Unit | Ref | Factors | CR | Year | COVERSIONS | BUILD | Salvage | SIT Notes |
HWX | 213 | 8-10(1)/4-5(0.5)+Module | 7 | Y182 | From DW/HDW: NA; From: DWX: 2^+1 | For DW: 10^+1 | 2.500 | Heavy War Destroyer, must use HDW modules, (525.2)(§ in some modes); X-Ship. (^ plus configuration cost) |
HWXA | 213 | 8-10(10V)/4-5(5V) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+AOG; From DWX: 3+1+AOG | For DW: 11+1+AOG | 2.500 | Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship. |
HWXC | 213 | 8-10(1)/4-5(0.5) | 10 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1 | For DW: 11+1 | 2.500 | Command mode; size-3§; X-Ship. |
HWXE | 213 | 8-10#(1)/4-5#(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1 | For DW: 11+1 | 2.500 | Heavy escort mode; size-3§; X-Ship. |
HWXF | 213 | 8-10R(1)/4-5(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1 | For DW: 11+1 | 2.500 | Field repair mode; 4 repair points; X-Ship. |
HWXG | 213 | 8-10G(1)/4-5G(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1 | For DW: 11+1 | 2.500 | Commando mode; size-3§; X-Ship. |
HWXK | 213 | 9-10(1)/5(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 2+1 | For DW: 10+1 | 2.500 | Combat mode; size-3§; X-Ship. |
HWXP | 213 | 8-10P*(1)/4-5P*(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+POG; From DWX: 3+1+POG | For DW: 11+1+POG | 2.500 | PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship; conjectural. |
HWXQ | 213 | 8-10*(1)/4-5*(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 5; From HWXS: 3; From DWX: 7+1; From DWSX: 5$+1 | For DW: 15+1 | 2.500 | Survey mode; Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship. |
HWXR | 213 | 8-10(1)[6]/4-5(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+FOP; From DWX: 3+1+FOP | For DW: 11+1+FOP | 2.500 | FCR mode; size-3§; not an escort; X-Ship. |
HWXS | 213 | 8-10*(1)/4-5*(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 2; From DWX: 4$+1; From DWSX: 2+1 | For DW: 12+1 | 2.500 | Scout mode; size-3§; (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship. |
HWXT | 213 | 8-10(1)/4-5(0.5) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1 | For DW: 11+1 | 2.500 | Transport mode; carries 5EPs; cannot carry pods; X-Ship. |
HWXV | 213 | 8-10(6)/4-5(3) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+COG; From DWX: 3+1+COG | For DW: 11+1+COG | 2.500 | Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship. |
HWXY | 213 | 8-10(8Y)/4-5(4Y) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+YOG; From DWX: 3+1+YOG | For DW: 11+1+YOG | 2.500 | Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship. |
HWXZ | 213 | 8-10*(6H)/4-5*(3H) | 7 | Y182 | From HWX: 1+ZOG; From DWX: 3+1+ZOG | For DW: 11+1+ZOG | 2.500 | Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship.: Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1. |
By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 09:41 pm: Edit |
Fed HDW Report
Again, many errors to report.
FED | Unit | Ref | Factors | CR | Year | COVERSIONS | BUILD | Salvage | SIT Notes |
HDW | 85 | 6-7(1)/3-4(0.5)+Module | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 2^+1 | For DW: 5^+1 | 1.500 | Heavy War Destroyer, must use HDW modules, (525.2)(§ in some modes) (^ plus configuration cost) | |
HDWA | 85 | ok | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1+AOG | For DW: 6+1+AOG | 1.500 | Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier. | |
HDWC | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 10 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1 | For DW: 6+1 | 1.500 | Command mode; size-3§ | |
HDWE | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1; DWE: 2+1 | For DW: 6+1 | 1.500 | Heavy escort mode; size-3§ | |
HDWF | 85 | 6-7R(1)/3-4(0.5) | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1 | For DW: 6+1 | 1.500 | Field repair mode; 4 repair points. | |
HDWG | 85 | Add crippled G/ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1: DWG: 2+1 | For DW: 6+1 | 1.500 | Commando mode; size-3§ | |
HDWK | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 2+1 | For DW: 5+1 | 1.500 | Combat mode; size-3§ | |
HDWP | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y181F | From DW: 3+1+POG | For DW: 6+1+POG | 1.500 | PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF); conjectural. | |
HDWQ | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 7+1; DWS: 5+1; From HDWS: 3 | For DW: 10+1 | 1.500 | Survey mode; Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF) | |
HDWR | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1+FOP | For DW: 6+1+FOP | 1.500 | FCR mode; size-3§; not an escort. | |
HDWS | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 4$+1; DWS: 2+1 | For DW: 7+1 | 1.500 | Scout mode; size-3§; (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF) | |
HDWT | 85 | Add crippled ftr triangle | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1: DWT: 2+1 | For DW: 6+1 | 1.500 | Transport mode; carries 5EPs; cannot carry pods. | |
HDWV | 85 | ok | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1+COG | For DW: 6+1+COG | 1.500 | Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier. | |
HDWY | 85 | 6-7(8Y)/3-4(4Y) | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1+YOG | For DW: 6+1+YOG | 1.500 | Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier. | |
HDWZ | 85 | 6-7*(6H)/3-4(3H) | 6 | Y180 | From DW: 3+1+ZOG | For DW: 6+1+ZOG | 1.500 | Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier. Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF) | |
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HDW AOG | +(10V) | Y180 | (525.23A): 0+18 | Heavy Fighter Operations Group - A-20 | |||||
HDW COG | +(5) | Y180 | (525.23V): 0+10 | Carrier Operations Group - F-18 | |||||
HDW FOP | +[6] | Y180 | (525.23R): 0+6 | FCR Operations Package | |||||
HDW YOG | +(8Y) | Y180 | (525.23Y): 0+14 | Heavy Fighter Operations Group - F-101 | |||||
HDW ZOG | +(6H)* | Y180 | (525.23Z): 2+11 | Special Fighter Operations Group - F-111 | |||||
HDW POG | +P* | Y181F | (525.23P): 5+¶ | PF Operations Group; conjectural. | |||||
HDW HOG | DELETE |
By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - 03:45 pm: Edit |
Should not the HWXQ have the survey diamond and not the scout diamond?
FEDS: It is assumed that ALL Q variants of HDWs and HWXs have the colored survey scout diamond on the SITs and on the counters.
By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - 04:01 pm: Edit |
The comments in HWXZ,
"Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship.: Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1."
should be be
"Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship. Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1."
FEDS: Huh?
By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Saturday, September 16, 2023 - 12:47 pm: Edit |
Remove the colon in " X-Ship.:"
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