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By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:40 am: Edit


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By Ahmad Abdel-Hameed (Madarab) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 09:22 am: Edit

Hey, I was reading SFB J2. In the text section about the CVH (and I presume this would also apply to the CAV?), it said that the ships often operated independantly after Y180.

Should we add to the text on the Master SIT about the CVH (and CAV?) that they can be operated without escorts after S180?




Federation: Heavy Cruisers: CAV: Notes: add: Single Ship Carrier in Y180+ Reasons listed below.

R2.100 CVH does indeed state that the ship operated without escorts beginning in Y180.
F&E Rule (440.1) Covering the NVH and NVA, F-111 and A-20 variants respectively, and the SIT state these ships are single ship carriers and do not require escorts.
R2.132 CAV does state that the ship can operate without escorts beginning in Y180 in the table showing the most likely escorts.

Thomas Mathews 13 May 2021

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:44 am: Edit

Federation: Heavy Cruisers: CVH: NOTES: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ Reasons listed below.

R2.100 CVH does indeed state that the ship operated without escorts beginning in Y180.
F&E Rule (440.1) Covering the NVH and NVA, F-111 and A-20 variants respectively, and the SIT state these ships are single ship carriers and do not require escorts.
R2.132 CAV does state that the ship can operate without escorts beginning in Y180 in the table showing the most likely escorts.

Thomas Mathews 13 May 2021

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 01:09 pm: Edit

Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHA: Reference (527.0) should be (532.0). The NHA carries A-20s (532.0) not F-111s (527.0) Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021

Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHA: Notes: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ The table in R2.134 shows the NHA may operate without escorts beginning in Y180. Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021

Federation: New Heavy Cruisers: NHV: Notes: add Single Ship Carrier Y180+ The table in R2.113 shows the NHV may operate without escorts beginning in Y180. Thomas Mathews 14 May 2021

By Thomas Mathews (Turtle) on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 07:52 am: Edit

Wrong Topic

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 06:26 pm: Edit

All A20 carriers must be escorted (532.225) ...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 01:23 pm: Edit

SIT Federation DDX and HWX are size-4 units, but when used in battlegroups count against the limit on size-3 units (i.e., such a battlegroup can only have a total of three). This eliminates a problem caused by the 6xDDX superpack destroying everything in its sight during Y184. The change in size class is justified in both cases. The DDX is in fact a cruiser, not a destroyer, but is classified as size-4 due to its unique design history. We may yet change the Master SIT. As for the X-version of the HDW, what can we say? HDWs are just "strange" in many ways. They are as big as light cruisers, but classified as size-4 due to their DW design heritage. Allowing it to act as a size-4 unit in a battlegroup seriously warps the game system.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 08, 2021 - 04:02 pm: Edit

SIT-FED: The Federation DVL is converted from a DNL. Historically, this was done in Y173. The eight fighter factors are a single F14 squadron. No more than one can be in service at any given time. This ship can function as an unescorted carrier only when used on raids under the AO rules.
SIT-FED: The note on the Federation CVF means just what it says; you get to build this one ship outside of the normal production system. Only one can be in service at a time; building a replacement for the original CVF would mean converting a CF (2 points) or a CA (5 points) or building it as a substitution for a CF (10 points), plus the cost of fighters. This ship can function as an unescorted carrier only when used on raids under the AO rules.
SIT Federation SIT: CC should not have the battlegroup mark.

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Saturday, June 12, 2021 - 08:35 pm: Edit

ADD PDU+ for Fed PDU with doubled fighters

PDU+ R1.14 #(12)/None F&E 0 Y181 -NA- Built at Shipyard: 4+6 Self-generated: 5+6 Upgrade: 7+6 NOTE: Use the PDU+ for Federation Fighters with doubled fighters. Fed PDUs cannot use F-111s per (527.14). Ryan Opel CL53 Q&A 12 Jun 21

By Intuics on Tuesday, November 22, 2022 - 09:53 pm: Edit

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By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Monday, December 26, 2022 - 12:36 am: Edit

ALL LINE ITEMS HAVE BEEN NOTED ABOVE FOR SUBMISSION TO SVC BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

Ryan J Opel
FEAST

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, June 08, 2023 - 09:34 pm: Edit

FED SURVEY SHIPS - SIT CORRECTIONS

Fed GSC: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 7; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4] = 7
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Fed CVL: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 8+6; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Carrier+1] = 8+6
Fed CVL: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 16+6; Rationale: [CA+8]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Carrier+1] = 16+6
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Fed COV: Recommended CHANGES: From CA: 8; Rationale: [Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Troops+1] = 8
Fed COV: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 16; Rationale: [CA+8]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[Troops+1] = 16
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Fed GSX: Recommended CHANGES: From CC:12; Rationale: [CC base hull to x-ship+5]+[survey systems+3]+[EW+4]= 12
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Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From CX: 10+18; Rationale: [survey systems+3]+[EW+4]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 10+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From GSC/COV: 9+18; Rationale: [CA base hull to x-ship+6]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 9+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From CC: 15+18; Rationale: [CC base hull to x-ship+5]+[survey systems+3]+[EW+4]+[non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 15+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: From GSX: 3+18; Rationale: [non-carrier: retrofit to add external F-111 links+3] = 10+18
Fed GVX: Recommended CHANGES: For CA: 21+18; Rationale: [CX+12]+[Survey Systems+3]+[EW+4]+[new build F-111 carrier+2] = 21+18

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 12, 2023 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Fed NAE: From NEC: 4 should be 4Ñ (minor conversion symbol) Reason: The NCL conversion to an NCA is a 3 Point Minor conversion. The NEC to an NAC conversion is a 1 Point Minor conversion. While both conversions should be a 4 point minor similar to the NCL to NAE conversion. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2023

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Sunday, August 06, 2023 - 11:18 pm: Edit

FHL, 2xFTL, 3xFTS are listed in the SIT as FHL LAM, FTL LAG, and FTS SAG. The LAx/SAx is not supported by R8 as an alternate designator. Recommend removing the LAx/SAx from the SIT and leaving the first part of the name.

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Sunday, August 06, 2023 - 11:20 pm: Edit

FED REP-POD should be renamed REP to match counter.

By Ryan Opel (Feast) on Tuesday, September 05, 2023 - 10:50 pm: Edit

STP R1.145 0F/0 NO 0 Y178 None None (555.1): 440 0.000 The Racer's Edge, changes any ship to "fast"


Good one SVC took 3 yrs for someone to notice.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 03:13 pm: Edit

Ryan, prepare a list of needed changes for the Feds, all of them you have time to do, and post it. I'll let you know where we go from there.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 08:23 pm: Edit

NOW HEAR THIS - ALL HANDS ON DECK:

If ADB is readying to update the Feds SITs soon, one should post any Federation counter related SITS issues ASAP. However, before you do, PLEASE check this file for posts related to your issue so as to avoid repetitive posts.

Thank you,
FEDS

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, September 07, 2023 - 10:06 pm: Edit

Chuck, you are frightening the horses.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Friday, September 08, 2023 - 08:36 am: Edit

Disregard:


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By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, June 12, 2023 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Fed NAE: From NEC: 4 should be 4Ñ (minor conversion symbol) Reason: The NCL conversion to an NCA is a 3 Point Minor conversion. The NEC to an NAC conversion is a 1 Point Minor conversion. While both conversions should be a 4 point minor similar to the NCL to NAE conversion. Thomas Mathews 12 Jun 2023




Replaced by:

Fed NAE: From NEC: 4 should be 3‡ Reason: The NCL conversion to an NCA is a 3 Point Minor conversion. The NEC to an NAC conversion is a 1 Point Minor conversion. This conversion qualifies as a two step conversion under (437.0). Thomas Mathews 8 Sep 2023}

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 05:19 am: Edit

Recommend adding the following Fed DLMs to the SIT:

ShipRefFactorsCRYISConvertBuildSalvNotes
DLMA1010-11F(1)/5-6(0.5)+Module9Y180From DNL: 2^+1For DN: 18^+14.200Fast Dreadnought, must use HDW modules, (551.63); conjectural. (^ plus configuration cost)
DLMAA1010-11F(10V)/5-6(5V)9Y180From DNL: 3+1+AOGFor DN: 19+1+AOG4.200Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural.
DLMGA1010-11FG(1)/5-6G(0.5)9Y180From DNL: 3+1For DN: 19+14.200Commando mode; conjectural.
DLMKA1011F(1)/6(0.5)9Y180From DNL: 2+1For DN: 18+14.200Combat mode; conjectural.
DLMPA1010-11FP*(1)/5-6P(0.5)9Y181FFrom DNL: 3+1+POGFor DN: 19+1+POG4.200PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural.
DLMSA1010-11F*(1)/5-6(0.5)9Y180From DNL: 4$+1For DN: 20+14.200Scout mode; (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural.
DLMVA1010-11F(6)/5-6(3)9Y180From DNL: 3+1+COGFor DN: 19+1+COG4.200Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural.
DLMYA1010-11F(8Y)/5-6(4Y)9Y180From DNL: 3+1+YOGFor DN: 19+1+YOG4.200Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; conjectural.
DLMZA1010-11F*(6H)/5-6(3H)9Y180From DNL: 3+1+ZOGFor DN: 19+1+ZOG4.200Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier. Scout (2EW:8AF)(1EW:10AF); conjectural.

* = Scout
$ = down arrow for minor conversion cost exception

Reference:


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(551.63) FEDERATION MODULAR DREADNOUGHT (DLM):
This ship was proposed but never built. The Federation can build
it in place of a dreadnought or convert it from a DNL. It uses the
HDW rules (525.2) but is limited to missions A (A-20s); G; K; S;
V; Y (F101s); Z. Mission P could be used if the Federation took
the option to build PFs but then Missions Y and A would be disallowed.


By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 05:54 am: Edit

Fed HWXs: the entire chart was a bad clone of the ISC chart with too many changes to report. Recommend using the following data:

UnitRefFactorsCRYearCOVERSIONSBUILDSalvageSIT Notes
HWX2138-10(1)/4-5(0.5)+Module7Y182From DW/HDW: NA; From: DWX: 2^+1For DW: 10^+12.500Heavy War Destroyer, must use HDW modules, (525.2)(§ in some modes); X-Ship. (^ plus configuration cost)
HWXA2138-10(10V)/4-5(5V)7Y182From HWX: 1+AOG; From DWX: 3+1+AOGFor DW: 11+1+AOG2.500Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship.
HWXC2138-10(1)/4-5(0.5)10Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1For DW: 11+12.500Command mode; size-3§; X-Ship.
HWXE2138-10#(1)/4-5#(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1For DW: 11+12.500Heavy escort mode; size-3§; X-Ship.
HWXF2138-10R(1)/4-5(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1For DW: 11+12.500Field repair mode; 4 repair points; X-Ship.
HWXG2138-10G(1)/4-5G(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1For DW: 11+12.500Commando mode; size-3§; X-Ship.
HWXK2139-10(1)/5(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 2+1For DW: 10+12.500Combat mode; size-3§; X-Ship.
HWXP2138-10P*(1)/4-5P*(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1+POG; From DWX: 3+1+POGFor DW: 11+1+POG2.500PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship; conjectural.
HWXQ2138-10*(1)/4-5*(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 5; From HWXS: 3; From DWX: 7+1; From DWSX: 5$+1For DW: 15+12.500Survey mode; Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship.
HWXR2138-10(1)[6]/4-5(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1+FOP; From DWX: 3+1+FOPFor DW: 11+1+FOP2.500FCR mode; size-3§; not an escort; X-Ship.
HWXS2138-10*(1)/4-5*(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 2; From DWX: 4$+1; From DWSX: 2+1For DW: 12+12.500Scout mode; size-3§; (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1; X-Ship.
HWXT2138-10(1)/4-5(0.5)7Y182From HWX: 1; From DWX: 3+1For DW: 11+12.500Transport mode; carries 5EPs; cannot carry pods; X-Ship.
HWXV2138-10(6)/4-5(3)7Y182From HWX: 1+COG; From DWX: 3+1+COGFor DW: 11+1+COG2.500Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship.
HWXY2138-10(8Y)/4-5(4Y)7Y182From HWX: 1+YOG; From DWX: 3+1+YOGFor DW: 11+1+YOG2.500Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier; X-Ship.
HWXZ2138-10*(6H)/4-5*(3H)7Y182From HWX: 1+ZOG; From DWX: 3+1+ZOGFor DW: 11+1+ZOG2.500Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship.: Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1.


# = Escort box
* = Scout
$ = down arrow for minor conversion cost exception

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, September 09, 2023 - 09:41 pm: Edit

Fed HDW Report
Again, many errors to report.

FEDUnitRefFactorsCRYearCOVERSIONSBUILDSalvageSIT Notes
HDW856-7(1)/3-4(0.5)+Module6Y180From DW: 2^+1For DW: 5^+11.500Heavy War Destroyer, must use HDW modules, (525.2)(§ in some modes) (^ plus configuration cost)
HDWA85 ok6Y180From DW: 3+1+AOGFor DW: 6+1+AOG1.500Heavy fighter (A-20) carrier mode; single-ship carrier.
HDWC85Add crippled ftr triangle10Y180From DW: 3+1For DW: 6+11.500Command mode; size-3§
HDWE85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 3+1; DWE: 2+1For DW: 6+11.500Heavy escort mode; size-3§
HDWF856-7R(1)/3-4(0.5)6Y180From DW: 3+1For DW: 6+11.500Field repair mode; 4 repair points.
HDWG85Add crippled G/ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 3+1: DWG: 2+1For DW: 6+11.500Commando mode; size-3§
HDWK85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 2+1For DW: 5+11.500Combat mode; size-3§
HDWP85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y181FFrom DW: 3+1+POGFor DW: 6+1+POG1.500PF Tender mode; Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF); conjectural.
HDWQ85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 7+1; DWS: 5+1; From HDWS: 3For DW: 10+11.500Survey mode; Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF)
HDWR85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 3+1+FOPFor DW: 6+1+FOP1.500FCR mode; size-3§; not an escort.
HDWS85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 4$+1; DWS: 2+1For DW: 7+11.500Scout mode; size-3§; (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF)
HDWT85Add crippled ftr triangle6Y180From DW: 3+1: DWT: 2+1For DW: 6+11.500Transport mode; carries 5EPs; cannot carry pods.
HDWV85ok6Y180From DW: 3+1+COGFor DW: 6+1+COG1.500Medium carrier mode; single-ship carrier.
HDWY856-7(8Y)/3-4(4Y)6Y180From DW: 3+1+YOGFor DW: 6+1+YOG1.500Heavy fighter (F-101) carrier mode; single-ship carrier.
HDWZ856-7*(6H)/3-4(3H)6Y180From DW: 3+1+ZOGFor DW: 6+1+ZOG1.500Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier. Scout (2EW:4AF)(1EW:6AF)
.
HDW AOG+(10V)Y180(525.23A): 0+18Heavy Fighter Operations Group - A-20
HDW COG+(5)Y180(525.23V): 0+10Carrier Operations Group - F-18
HDW FOP+[6]Y180(525.23R): 0+6FCR Operations Package
HDW YOG+(8Y)Y180(525.23Y): 0+14Heavy Fighter Operations Group - F-101
HDW ZOG+(6H)*Y180(525.23Z): 2+11Special Fighter Operations Group - F-111
HDW POG+P*Y181F(525.23P): 5+¶PF Operations Group; conjectural.
HDW HOGDELETE


# = Escort box
* = Scout
$ = down arrow for minor conversion cost exception

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - 03:45 pm: Edit

Should not the HWXQ have the survey diamond and not the scout diamond?

FEDS: It is assumed that ALL Q variants of HDWs and HWXs have the colored survey scout diamond on the SITs and on the counters.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - 04:01 pm: Edit

The comments in HWXZ,

"Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship.: Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1."

should be be

"Special fighter (F-111) carrier mode; single ship carrier; X-Ship. Scout (2EW:6AF)(1EW:8AF); Crippled EW=1."

FEDS: Huh?

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Saturday, September 16, 2023 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Remove the colon in " X-Ship.:"

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