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F&E COUNTERSHEET ZULU:
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I was advised last week that we will need to reprint the F&E bases sheet in the very near term. Jean wants it to go to press Monday. Fortunately, no changes to that sheet are needed and nothing would stop this from happening.
The problem is that to print any sheet (let alone a half-sheet) we have to print a set of four sheets, which could be the same or different. I have asked Mike Sparks, the warehouse chief, to tell me what other sheets need reprinting. As the minimum print run is 1000, doing just bases (a half-sheet) would result in us getting 8000 bases sheets, enough to last until ... well, a very long time. The obvious solution is for Mike Sparks to tell me what other sheets need reprinting, and he will do that tomorrow (Monday, 20 Oct). I can only assume that the other three will be sheets that will run out over a period possibly reaching past 2030. The simple solution is to replace the one that will run out last with a totally new sheet that you guys will buy a lot of because, shucks, it's stuff you always wanted. Or stuff you didn't know you wanted.
Experience has taught me it is a very bad idea to print counters for which no rules have ever been written, so we cannot include:
monsters
Jindarians
minefields and mine sweepers
and so forth.
But we could include other colors for civil wars (Federation Civil War, anyone?), generic units for which no empire-specific counters were ever published (e.g., the WYN jumbo auxes and some of the bases), useful markers, ships you keep running out of, ships that we forgot to do counters for, or things I could never imagine we need but which you guys who play the game think would be useful.
So give me your ideas and I will see if I can convince Jean to give us a week to pull something together.
ZULU could be 140 or 280 counters.
Gary, we do not print “play test counters”. We will print carnivons and paravians when we print EARLY WARS and no one has done one minute of work on it. That would be printing counters for rules and scenarios no one has ever written.
Gary, we could not include enough playtest counters for you to do anything more than run a single combat round of a theoretical battle hex, and I don't think anyone who would do that is incapable of doing their own counters.
NOTE: Fighter and PF counts listed with counter, if 0 fighters and/or PFs are on the counter the nothing follows
Currently on Sheet Tango by Empire:
Feds: SFB, SFX
Klingon: SFB (includes 2 circles for SFGs)
Romulan: SFB
Kzinti: SFB
Gorn: SFB
Tholian: None
Hydran: SFB
Lyran: SFB
WYN:None
ISC: SFB
Currently on Sheet Oscar by Empire
Feds: None
Klingon: SFX (with 2 circles for SFGs)
Romulan: SFX
Kzinti: SFX
Gorn: SFX
Tholian: SFB, SFX
Hydran: SFX
Lyran: SFX
WYN: None
ISC: SFX
Generic: SFB, SFX
Currently on Countersheet N+O 2015
Federation: BTX 9H6, SBX 18H12
Klingon: BTX 6P, SBX 12PP,
Romulan BTX 6P, SBX 12PP
Kzinti: BTX 6P, SBX 12PP
Gorn: BTX 6P, SBX 12PP
Tholian: BTX 6P
Hydran: BTX 6P, SBX 12 PP
Lyran: BTX 6P, SBX 12PP
Generic: BTX 6P, SBX 12PP
Currently on Countersheet P+Q 2021
EPs in Transit in generic and brown on white
Drone Point on Ship in generic and brown on white
Supply Ship Turns in generic and brown on white
Currently on Countersheet Kilo:
Generic: BS 6, 2xBSX 6P, BS
Currently on Countersheet: Sierra
Feds: SFX 9H6
Klingon: STB 6, STX 6P, STBA 6, STXA 6P
Romulan: STB 6, STX 6P
Kzinti: STB 6, STX 6P
Gorn: STB 6, STX 6P
Tholian: STB 6, STX 6P
Hydran: STB 6, STX 6P
Lyran: STB 6, STX 6P
Generic: STX 6, STX 6P
Currently on Minor Empires Sheet 5
LDR: None
Seltorian: None
Vudar: None
Currently on Minor Empires Sheet 6 (140 Half Sheet)
LDR: BS 6, BTS 6, BTX 6
Seltorian: None
Vudar: BS J6, BTS J6, BSX J6, BTX J6
Currently on ISC War Sheet Indigo
ISC: SB 12PP, 2xBTS 6P, 7xPS 6P, PSX 6P, PST P6, PSTX P6, PSB 12PP, PSBX PP12, BS 6, BSX 6, BTS 6P, BTX 6P, STB 6P, STX 6P, SB 12PP, SBX 12PP
Currently on Civil Wars Countersheet
Romulan Pink: None
Kzinti Orange: None
Lyran Purple: None
WYN: None
Jean has approved putting Zulu into CIVIL WARS.
Lots of factors are incomplete because I reserved a spot but didn't get as far as looking up what the factors were. Anyone who can tell me where to find an actual counter for those would be helpful.
No, Gary, there are not going to be Carnivon or Paravian bases on this sheet.
THINGS I NEED TO CHECK
ALL HAVE BEEN CHECKED
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Notional DN, BC, CVA, BB, BCH, for the WYNs.
Chuck said these were on Oscar. Due diligence reqquires me to visually confirm that.
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There is a missing frigate silhouette for the Fed FFP on SIERRA.
Suggest adding Fed FFP on ZEBRA: 1-5U[G]/0-3
looking into that
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Unlikely to do any of this but I do need to check once I balance the Lyran rebels, Romulan rebels, and coins.
Things I might add once I am done with Chuck's layout.
Devastation-generic
Captured province
EPs loaded on transport-Generic
PFs in the civil war colors for the Roms, Kzintis, Lyrans. FEDS CONCURS.
PFs for the WYNs. FEDS CONCURS.
Bases with _both_ fighters and PFs? (Some already exist, but most do not.)
Position F20: Kzinti Rebel MEC
FRDs with PFs? (FRDs with fighters exist.)
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See if these is a spot for a wyn isc ddx and a seltorian something.
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UNLIKELY BUT CHECK
Kinda a random one, but I'd like to suggest the addition of heavy scouts (BR, BRH, and/or CA-based) for the Orion.
These don't exist as separate SSDs, but they're valid SFB configurations (simply by filling option mounts with special sensors) and will close a gap in the fleet list where the Orion doesn't have anything bigger than a DWS available as a dedicated (non-carrier/PFT) scout.
I THINK A CWS (BRS) IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE IS ALL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
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Staff: Did the Tholians not need bases?
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With the addition of ZEBRA to CW, the original CW sheet count can be reduced to three sheets if we add the right amount of missing counters to ZEBRA.
Staff: give me a specific list of what is needed.
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The wyns already have an engineer on Oscar, do they need another one on Zulu?
The wyns have a DWS on CW so I killed the one I added to Zulu.
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Fighter coins Front/Back = 2/1, 6/3, 18/9, 24/12
PF coins: Front/Back = 2/1, 6/3, 18/9
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NO CHANCE IN HADES: FRD with one fighter module.
Mission specific HDWs for rebels.
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EXTREME DOUBT; PRD-X called PRX
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POSSIBLE IF THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE
The Reb Romulans (Chuck didn't schedule one), Orange Kzinti (D10!) and WYN (G5!) need an OPB. The Lyran rebels (Chuck did not list one on manifest) could get one but they are pre general war so it is out of place in the timeline. (They would need a lot of counters to function after Y175. No change those would be available.)
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CHECKING The rebel Romulans need: From their Civilwar starting OB: a Prime Team, FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV in addition to the OPB.
The Reb Kzinti and Reb Lyran could also get a Prime team.
Auxes for the Reb Lyran: FHL, FTS in the starting forces (north and south), maybe one of each on the sheet.
These are easily subbed/replaced by other empire units but would be nice to have in their own colors.
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FOBS Recommendation: WYN Scouts: We have one CWS for the capital division. I'd recommend a DWS for each of the border fleets then. So we'd need 3 DWS counters.
I ALREADY PUT A CWS ON ZULU; CIVIL WARS HAS A DWS SO YOU HAVE THREE ALREADY.
THIS HAS BEEN DONE
Position G2 ISC BSX 6 change to BSX 6P. Reason: BSX 6 counter exists on Sheet Indigo for ISC War. Thomas Mathews 22 Oct 2025
THIS HAS BEEN DONE
EXCELLENT REPORT, PROCESSED BELOW
Chuck's report that he sent email when he couldn't get to the BBS from where he was. Generally speaking, reports need to go to this topic, NOT EMAIL, Chuck knows better and couldn't avoid doing this, but I don't want anyone else to assume that email it a good way to do this. The topic is set up to put all reports in one place that the graphics computer can reach.
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See if these is a spot for a wyn isc ddx and a seltorian something.
<FONT COLOR="119911"><B>FEDS—7:
WYN (Red on Yellow) captured (these came after the WOR):
Selts:
SFF 6(1)/3(0.5)
SDD 8-7(1)/4(0.5)
ISC:
IDX 10-9(1)/5(0.5)</B></FONT>
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UNLIKELY BUT CHECK
Kinda a random one, but I'd like to suggest the addition of heavy scouts (BR, BRH, and/or CA-based) for the Orion.
These don't exist as separate SSDs, but they're valid SFB configurations (simply by filling option mounts with special sensors) and will close a gap in the fleet list where the Orion doesn't have anything bigger than a DWS available as a dedicated (non-carrier/PFT) scout.
I THINK A CWS (BRS) IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE IS ALL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
FEDS-6: If room permits then a BRS 5-7◆/2-4 with a SIT note (3EW:2AF)(1EW:5AF).
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Staff: Did the Tholians not need bases?
FEDS-5: Just a BS(0) and a BTS(0).
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With the addition of ZEBRA to CW, the original CW sheet count can be reduced to three sheets if we add the right amount of missing counters to ZEBRA.
Staff: give me a specific list of what is needed.
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The wyns already have an engineer on Oscar, do they need another one on Zulu?
FEDS: No extra ENG is needed.
The wyns have a DWS on CW so I killed the one I added to Zulu.
FEDS: CONCURS.
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Fighter coins Front/Back = 2/1, 6/3, 18/9, 24/12
PF coins: Front/Back = 2/1, 6/3, 18/9
FEDS-10: These are okay if space permits.
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NO CHANCE IN HADES: FRD with one fighter module.
FEDS: These can wait.
Mission specific HDWs for rebels.
FEDS-2: Rolandus (Black on Magenta) needs a specified HDWS: 6-7(1)◆/3-4(▲).
FEDS: Others depends upon the amount of room left on the sheet.
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EXTREME DOUBT; PRD-X called PRX
FEDS: These can wait.
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POSSIBLE IF THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE
The Reb Romulans (Chuck didn't schedule one), Orange Kzinti (D10!) and WYN (G5!) need an OPB.
FEDS-4: Supports both The Orange Rebel (Count) and Yellow (Usurper) getting OPBs.
The Lyran rebels (Chuck did not list one on manifest) could get one but they are pre general war so it is out of place in the timeline. (They would need a lot of counters to function after Y175. No change those would be available.)
FEDS-11: Recommends no OPB for the Lyran rebels at this time.
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CHECKING The rebel Romulans need: From their Civilwar starting OB: a Prime Team, FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV in addition to the OPB.
FEDS-1: Recommend the following Rolandus (Black on Magenta) counters (in priority order): Prime Team, OPB, LAV, SAV, FTS, SAP, FRD+
The Reb Kzinti and Reb Lyran could also get a Prime team.
FEDS-3: CONCURS.
Auxes for the Reb Lyran: FHL, FTS in the starting forces (north and south), maybe one of each on the sheet.
FEDS-4: Recommend (room permitting) the following Rebel Lyran (Yellow on Purple) counters (in priority order): FTS, FTL, FHL
These are easily subbed/replaced by other empire units but would be nice to have in their own colors.
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PROCESSING
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Notional DN, BC, CVA, BB, BCH, for the WYNs.
Chuck said these were on Oscar. Due diligence reqquires me to visually confirm that.
NO CVA ON OSCAR, PUT ONE ON ZULU BUT IT'S LOW PRIORITY.
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There is a missing frigate silhouette for the Fed FFP on SIERRA.
Suggest adding Fed FFP on ZEBRA: 1-5U[G]/0-3
looking into that
THERE ISN'T ROOM FOR THIS UNLESS WE DELETE AN EXISTING FED COUNTER. I DON'T CONSIDER IT ANY KIND OF PRIORITY.
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Position G2 ISC BSX 6 change to BSX 6P. Reason: BSX 6 counter exists on Sheet Indigo for ISC War. Thomas Mathews 22 Oct 2025
DONE
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Devastation-generic
Captured province
EPs loaded on transport-Generic
NICE IDEA, NO AVAILABLE SPACE.
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PFs in the civil war colors for the Roms, Kzintis, Lyrans. FEDS CONCURS.
PFs for the WYNs. FEDS CONCURS.
DONE
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Bases with _both_ fighters and PFs? (Some already exist, but most do not.)
NO SPACE FOR THE ENDLESS VARIATIONS.
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Position F20: Kzinti Rebel MEC
DONE
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FRDs with PFs? (FRDs with fighters exist.)
NO SPACE, NOT A PRIORITY, NEED TO CONSIDER GATHERING IDEAS FOR A FUTURE SHEET.
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See if these is a spot for a wyn isc ddx and a seltorian something.
THESE REMAIN ON THE MAYBE LIST, LOW PRIORITY AS THEY ARE AFTER THE WAR OF RETURN.
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ORION BRS
Only if another Orion or Fed counter is eliminated.
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Tholians bases
FEDS-5: Just a BS(0) and a BTS(0)
No space available unless a red counter is killed, or a purple one.
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List of Wyn return counters needed to elimingate fourth CW sheet.
NO DATA FROM STAFF YET. SHEET WILL BE ELIMINATED WITH OR WITHOUT DATA.
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The wyns already have an engineer on Oscar, do they need another one on Zulu? FEDS SAYS NO
The wyns have a DWS on CW so I killed the one I added to Zulu. CONFIRMED
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Fighter coins for rebels
ADDED
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Kzinti rebel OPB ALREADY IN D10
Wyn OPB -- ALREADY THERE, G5
Lyran Rebel OPB Chuck votes no.
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rebel Romulans need:
a Prime Team, ALREADY IN G11
FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV, OPB:
SVC: That is 7 counters. I see 2 blanks. There are three ground bases which seem to me to be useless due to infrastructure neutrality rules, so that's five. CHUCK used one for HDWS so that's four. Checking surplus bases. Do they NEED bases given infrastructure neutrality?
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Reb Lyran: FHL, FTS
NO COUNTERS AVAILABLE, BUT THERE ARE THREE GROUND BASES WHICH SEEM UNNEEDED DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE NEUTRALITY RULES.
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I HAVE DONE CHUCK'S STUFF
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REPORT FROM CHUCK: DO NOT NEED THE FOLLOWING COUNTERS ON ZULU:
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These bases (WITHOUT FIGHTERS OR PFs) were on OSCAR:
K-SFX--there isn’t one.
R-SFX --there isn’t one.
T-SFB/SFX --there isn’t one.
I-SFX --there isn’t one.
General-SFB/SFX --there isn’t one.
G-SFX --there isn’t one.
H-SFX --there isn’t one.
Z-SFX --there isn’t one.
L-SFX one in B5 deleted. Could use for Lyran, ISC, Wyn.
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These bases (WITHOUT FIGHTERS OR PFs) were on TANGO:
F-SFB/SFX -- e5, f5, deleted, added Orion BRS and Fed FFP
K-SFB --there isn’t one.
R-SFB --there isn’t one.
Z-SFB --there isn’t one.
I-SFB --there isn’t one.
G-SFB --there isn’t one.
H-SFB --there isn’t one.
L-SFB =-one in A5 deleted, could use for ISC, Wyn, lyran
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I noticed that Chuck’s layout for counters had a Hydran STB but I have a BTX9P and he has a STX9xp and a BTX9xp where I , somehow, have two STB(0). I think I goofed something. Please check.
done
It's all one big sheet. There is no base sheet and there is no rebel sheet.
FEDS: Oh, I was under the impression that they were cut down the spine and sold separately. My mistake.
That is not a terrible idea, Patrick! I added one of each. The staff wants two more DWLs but I'm not sure about space.
The main reason we were going to add a 4th CW sheet was it had 4 WYN FF in it. There are 14 in the starting OB and three sheets go us 12. We would need minimum of 2 (which were added above) to make starting forces. I would consider maybe 1-2 more for Turn 1 constructs. After that the WYN can use destroyed hulls.
FOUR OPEN SPOTS ON THE BOTTOM ROW.
PLUS MY QUESTION ABOUT MONITORS. I THOUGHT THEY HAD ONE ON TANGO WHICH GAVE THEM THREE. THREE IS ALL THEY NEED.
I rechecked the WoR scenario and the CW sheet and while there is no OB requirement for either the MCC or DWL. It is still a good idea to add those two units.
NOTE: CW sheet does have a CLC (which is the CL leader). There is also one solitary orange DD on the CW sheet...no variants and no DDL leader. (DD Variants came out in regular Kzinti white in TacOps.)
Recommend 1xMCC, 2xDWL (unless you find something else to add)
The DWL should prob be added to the OB as there are enough DWs to make that case for a swap. Additionally at least one DWL should be available from the Duke or Marquis to 'borrow'. The MCC not so much on the starting OB but it could also be 'borrowed from the Duke'. Using influence points of course. 
Rom rebel: FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV, OPB
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rebel Romulans need:
a Prime Team, ALREADY IN G11
FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV, OPB:
SVC: That is 7 counters. I see 2 blanks. There are three ground bases which seem to me to be useless due to infrastructure neutrality rules, so that's five. CHUCK used one for HDWS so that's four. Checking surplus bases. Do they NEED bases given infrastructure neutrality?
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Reb Lyran: FHL, FTS
NO COUNTERS AVAILABLE, BUT THERE ARE THREE GROUND BASES WHICH SEEM UNNEEDED DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE NEUTRALITY RULES.
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Confirmed you do not need another WYN Monitor. Tango (location N8).
The Rebel Roms do not need an HDWS as that is the only one already included on the Civil War DS sheet (location E10). I would choose the OPB or FRD+, then the LAP/SAP, FTS, LAV, SAV in that order. (But if you are swapping for another HDW make it a HDWP.)
As a chronological note I would drop the 2 maulers for those auxes as these rebel lyrans exist way before the maulers come into play. Also the Civil War scenarios calls for the auxes and is years away from the first carriers or mauler. As for the ground defenses there is a rule in at least one of the scenarios (maybe the Lyran) to allow influence points to rally a single ground base to your side for the combat so you could limit them down to one of those. The FCR and CV are another option to pull off, as they are also several turns into the General War.
By the way the Lyran CLV was the early carrier (along with the DDV).
Chuck wanted the HDWS. He has to approve dumping it.
FEDS: Remove the Pink HDWS from ZULU. My mistake being away from my office and trying to read the photograph of the counter sheet on my iPhone.
BTW, I think we pulled off a frakking miracle getting Zulu to the point it is in only 3 days.
At the staff meeting, I checked the inventory report and counted 22 different sheets of counters in F&E. No wonder the staff has so much trouble finding what is and is not already in the counter set!
Since Year in Service is the main point of consideration (in my mind anyway); The Reb Lyrans mainly existed before the GenWar Y168 date.
I have researched and present the following...
Please tell me where to find the CLV early carrier counter.
The yellow/green (y/g) Lyran CLV is on TANGO, J18. YIS date Y169.
The y/g Lyran DDV is on OSCAR slots F19 and F20. YIS date Y168.
The y/g Lyran CLE escort is on TANGO, J19. (reference, as you already added this to ZULU). YIS Date Y171.
Please give me the grids for these 2 maulers I should drop.
The Lyran Reb STL to drop is on ZULU, L20. YIS date Y173.
The Lyran Reb CV to potentially drop is ZULU, L19. YIS date Y172.
The Lyran Reb FCR to potentially drop is ZULU, L18. YIS date Y171.
The Lyran Reb STT to potentially drop is on ZULU, K20. YIS date Y170.
It makes more sense to drop the Lyran CV than the STT both for reasons of chronology and simply for the fact that the Lyran CV is considered a CVA in terms of escorts early on and the Lyran were not really considered a carrier empire.
As for ground bases...
Someone talk to me about ground bases and asset neutrality. See above.
In the new (658.0) Influence Points section subrule (658.33) allows factions to gain temporary support from ground defenses.
This is also specified in the scenario (638.0) WoR under rule (638.2733) Influence Ground Bases: A faction can influence one neutral ground base to fight for their faction under (658.33). Ground bases successfully gained by Liberator forces are assigned to the Count faction.
I have a note in the draft to add a similar reference to (658.33) in the Rom Civ War under rule (637.217). You will receive this as an official Line item later tonight after our meeting.
I have added four WYN Fish FF-5 to the countersheet at MN-11/12.
The WYNs have a monitor on TANGO so I don't see them needing one on Zulu. I will mark it as vulnerable.
FEDS: The MON on the three TANGO sheets meet the WYN OB needs and the one on ZULU can be removed.
There is a WYN DWL on sheet CW so we don't need one here.
FEDS: Concurs.
One clarification to the addition of ground bases:
The Rebel Lyran would only need 1 PDU and 1 PGB. (they are early timeline as I mentioned above). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, L-13 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, K-13 Factors: 3+6 ftr
BTN+: ZULU, K-12 is extraneous and this slot could be given up for something else.
Note: This likely goes without saying but... it would indeed be a wasted opportunity to not include 2 PGB on the back of L13, and RGT representing 2 PDUs with 12 fighters on the back of K13.
The Rebel Kzinti are late war. So would need 1 PGB, 1 PDU(6), 1 PDU(6)+Pi symbol (representing 1/2 of a PF squadron). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for only 2 these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, E-15 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, F-15 Factors: 3+6 ftrs
BTN+: ZULU, add: recommend B-11 Factors: 3+6 +pi
Note: Same note about double up on the back side however for B-11 it would be: RGT+ representing 2 PDUs with 12P (a full complement of PFs) on the back.
The Rebel Romulans however are late war. So would need 1 PGB, 1 PDU(6), 1 PDU(6)+Pi symbol (representing 1/2 of a PF squadron). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, I-13 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, J-13 Factors: 3+6 ftrs
BTN+: ZULU, J-15 Factors: 3+6 +pi
Note: Same note about double up on the back side however for J-15 it would be: RGT+ representing 2 PDUs with 12P (a full complement of PFs) on the back.