| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 02:50 pm: Edit |
SPACE FOUND
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Check at end if counters are open.
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Romulan GHT: 6-7T/3-4; Not a full sized tug but acts as a true LTT. Campaign conjectural.
Romulan K5F: 2-5[6]E/1-3; Romulan version of the Klingon F5R (Forward Carrier Resupply Ship)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:04 pm: Edit |
ROMULAN REBEL REQUESTS
FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV, OPB, PRIME, HDWS
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Prime Team, ALREADY IN G11
HDWS: Chuck removed from list 22 Oct
FRD+: they have an FRD0 on CW-S so this is a lower priority.
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FRD+ FTS, LAV, LAP, SAP, SAV, OPB,
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:05 pm: Edit |
Reb Lyran: FHL, FTS
NO COUNTERS AVAILABLE
I propose to delete two of the ground bases which can be done with generics. I don't think you have enough ground base counters to be bothered with. You either don't need them or you need a lot more.
I took out the STT and STL for the FH above but they can go back if you give up the PDU/PCB, staff can make the choice there. Or you could put them on AB5.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:34 pm: Edit |
Lyran rebels...
CLV found and added
DDV does not seem to be on Zulu
CLE completed.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:55 pm: Edit |
The Rebel Lyran would only need 1 PDU and 1 PGB. (they are early timeline as I mentioned above). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, L-13 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, K-13 Factors: 3+6 ftr
BTN+: ZULU, K-12 is extraneous and this slot could be given up for something else.
Note: This likely goes without saying but... it would indeed be a wasted opportunity to not include 2 PGB on the back of L13, and RGT representing 2 PDUs with 12 fighters on the back of K13
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I am okay with this.
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Creates an opening, added FHL
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:56 pm: Edit |
The Rebel Kzinti are late war. So would need 1 PGB, 1 PDU(6), 1 PDU(6)+Pi symbol (representing 1/2 of a PF squadron). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for only 2 these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, E-15 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, F-15 Factors: 3+6 ftrs
BTN+: ZULU, add: recommend B-11 Factors: 3+6 +pi
Note: Same note about double up on the back side however for B-11 it would be: RGT+ representing 2 PDUs with 12P (a full complement of PFs) on the back.
I proposed E13 as a better sacrifice than B11.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 03:57 pm: Edit |
The Rebel Romulans however are late war. So would need 1 PGB, 1 PDU(6), 1 PDU(6)+Pi symbol (representing 1/2 of a PF squadron). This is for factor reference.
We currently have accounted for these slots as follows:
PGB: ZULU, I-13 Factors: 3
BTN: ZULU, J-13 Factors: 3+6 ftrs
BTN+: ZULU, J-15 Factors: 3+6 +pi
Note: Same note about double up on the back side however for J-15 it would be: RGT+ representing 2 PDUs with 12P (a full complement of PFs) on the back.
AGREED, DONE
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 04:09 pm: Edit |
Somebody had me put three shipyard markers and a conversion base on ZULU for the WYNs but these are on the single-sided countersheet printed 8 years ago.
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 04:13 pm: Edit |
WYN do not need and ENG on Zulu.
I THINK THAT GOT KILLED A WHILE AGO. CHECK ZULU 23 FOR SURE.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 04:57 pm: Edit |
I would like to think that at the end of the day everybody got everything they wanted.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 05:01 pm: Edit |
A-12: The Rebel Kzinti/Count have a SCS on the CW sheet. This extra one can be removed from ZULU.
A-11/C-12: there are two Kzinti rebel CVAs on the sheet - recommend removing one.
A-14/N-16: there are two Captured Selt SFFs on the sheet - recommend removing one. {I think that one is H14 and I'm not sure it's a seltorian frigate, or just what it is.]
G-11: In WoR the Usurper is represented with the ADM counter from the CW single sided sheet - recommend removing as it is unneeded / suggest WYN DW as replacement. {I have an idea for a special usurper rule.--SVC}
K-19: The Rebel Lyran have a FFS on the CW sheet. This extra one can be removed from ZULU.
L-12: This looks to be a typo...this should be a FTL not a duplicate of the FHL at K-20.
| By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 10:01 pm: Edit |
H-18: KSF Factors 2-5 Sc Symbol Escort Symbol should be K5F 2-5 [6] Escort Symbol.
Reason: This ship is the Romulan version of the Klingon F5R FCR ship. Thomas Mathews 23 Oct 2025 <Edited by FEAR>
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 23, 2025 - 10:57 pm: Edit |
Count Rebels:
A-11: Recommend swapping in the NSV in place of the extra CVA.
A-12: The Rebel Kzinti/Count recommend adding the FDX in place of the SCS Chuck mentioned above.
C-15: DDV swap to NCV (as the DDV is dead at this point in the war).
D-12: Recommend swap the CLE for MVH.
D-13: DDE Swap to a BCS.
D-16, D-17: Recommend swapping the two EFF to two DWE.
D-19: CAM swap for a double sided MEGA Fighter counter Front: is +2, Back: is +1 Heavy Fighter.
IF CHUCK APPROVES I WILL DO IT--SVC
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 01:30 pm: Edit |
If there is to be a special counter (and rule) for the Usurper, might there be an opposing setup in order to represent the Crown Prince?
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Also, I don't have access to my copy of Captain's Log #37 right now, but I'm led to believe that the R-section data therein states that the WYNs acquired a total of five Seltorian hulls from the Klingons: two destroyers and three frigates.
Can anyone with their own copy of CL37 to hand be so kind as to double-check this, in order to verify how many of each class of ship ought to be accounted for counter-wise?
Of course, if there isn't enough room for them all here, the rest can wait for a future sheet, if so needed.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 01:34 pm: Edit |
There aren’t five counters to spare, and that is after the events of this package. I do believe there was a captured Andro and Jindarian, too. That all goes to Andro War.
Crown prince counter, but of course! Count Katula, anyone?
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 02:18 pm: Edit |
Chuck has accounted for the Usurper and Crown Prince, Rolandus, the Romulan Republic leader, The Lyran Crown leaders, the upstart Lyran Dukes, etc...in each of the scenarios. No need to add specific counters for these folks.
WRONG ANSWER. I'M IN CHARGE HERE, AND I AM INSPIRED TO WRITE A NEW RULE!.--SVC
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 04:16 pm: Edit |
OBVIOUSLY, hunting down and installing the icons is time consuming and not finished.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 09:35 pm: Edit |
I don't know that we ever had a PGB icon. The PDU one uses the air defense symbol. I used the artillery symbol for PGB.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:11 pm: Edit |
You may have noticed I tried something new, a way to show you that I got the right graphic without giving you truly workable counters.
Not that any of you would not be capable of making your own.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 24, 2025 - 11:32 pm: Edit |
BTW, the klingon ones have their icons, they show as black lines on black background.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 02:28 am: Edit |
Just thinking out loud here that there should not likely be a diplomat for the rebel count faction. If they ever need one they can use the rarely used generic version.
Better to get another ship on the board.
OR THE COUNT…
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 05:42 pm: Edit |
Assuming we are talking about the fish FF…yeah adding the first 4 replaced what would have been on the 4th CW sheet (giving the WYN the OB set up for WoR of 14 FF plus two more for the builds). If we added +2 giving is 6 total we would have 4 more for builds the scenario i belive is minimum 3 turns.
Ryan suggested at our Thursday meeting the Selts get pushed to AndroWar as they are not captured until later. Thanks for reminding me to mention it.
FSD are fighter storage depot (WYN match the Fed limit if 4);
PFF are PF depots (only one allowed)
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 05:55 pm: Edit |
I said before, it's all one big happy sheet. We're not goign to chop it in half. It goes in CIVIL WARS.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 06:30 pm: Edit |
{overtaken by events}
Sorry i do see the earlier post about the full sheet.
Chuck had i thought asked for a WYN DW but i cant see if its add an extra or the one you have is good.
He did post this: Tholians bases
FEDS-5: Just a BS(0) and a BTS(0)
No space available unless a red counter is killed, or a purple one.
I see we can kill 1 Lyran Reb BTS and one BS to get these Tholians. We have two of the L-Reb bases
Suggest swap of K-5, L-5 for these Tholians
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 10:22 pm: Edit |
{overtaken by events}
That would be correct the Lyran CV has a YIS of 172.
Is it too much to ask to put the Tholian bases on in place of tge L-Rebs, flip the K-6,L-6 bases over to K-19, L19 and add normal Romulan Red GHT and K5F counters in addition to the Reb Rom colors?
Mainly because we left them off the KILO,VULKAN,SIERRA updates due to lack of room. We could get both versions on here. Its fine if that doeant work but i thought I would put it out there.
For that extra yellow slot marked ?? If no one comes up with anything that 2nd DW would be welcome.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 10:38 pm: Edit |
{overtaken by events}
The Tholian bases can go in place of the LReb laser pointer and CV.
Adding the two Roms mean killing two more LRebs, but I would think that the CVL and the CLE the two FFEs and the FCR should all go as they cannot be used in the Uneasy Lies and LCS scenario due to service date. That is five LRebs that really need to go. For that matter, the CF and DNL are both extremely iffy date wise. That means seven new red or purple counters AFTER the Laser Pointer and CV go away give the Tholians two bases. I would submit that this means the Lrebs won't actually get many SHIPS in this expansion, but the orions get one and the Tholians zero. Even so, we might give the LRebs some more FF, DD, CL. FOR THAT MATTER, the Lyran Rebels don't need fighters or PFs so I can use two of those for IndFtr and the other four for anything white or yellow. White could be generic PF/Fighter coins. I need to change the five (seven?) IndFtr markers for IndSqdn so they could be fighter or PF.
I had an idea for a Lyran Usurper War of Return counter-historical option but that might take a lot more LReb counters than we have as someone would have to join the WYNs (analogue to the Count).
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 10:59 pm: Edit |
{overtaken by events}
URGENT ALERT!!!!
24 LYRAN REBELS TO DELETE DUE TO SERVICE DATE!!!
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CV, CVL, CLV, CLE, FFE, FFE, FCR
DNL, CF, STB, STB6, BS6, BTS6, SB12, PDU
3xPF coins, 3x Fighter coins, ENG
DN, BC
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This is going to be a major earthquake as 24 counters go vacant.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, October 25, 2025 - 11:30 pm: Edit |
I pointed out the YIS dates up stream. For the early and light carriers+escorts, PDU, the STB, fast ships, and bases with fighters it provides options for delayed or extended civil wars.
I could see removing the PF coins.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 01:49 am: Edit |
I think they all need to go. To get civil wars up to that point you might well need more ships. [Not sure if these purple counters exist on the other sheet: CW, DW, DWS, LAC, LAS, LAV, SAV, .] But I'm okay with it if you guys are, just don't ask me to somehow get 284 counters into 280 boxes.
If we call Y168 the cut-off date, the FCR needs to go. If you push out the date to include the FCR, you need a bunch of other ships not on the LReb sheet.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 02:18 am: Edit |
NEW PLAN: Okay try this....
LReb lose laser pointer and CV; Tholians gain BS(0) and a BTS(0).
LReb lose MB-N and BTs5 to give RedRoms GHT and K5F. Do you have a red KE7 counter anywhere?
LReb lose 3 PF coins. Replaced by 2 IndSqdn and a LReb fighter coin. Final mix is two 6/3 and two 2/1.
L18 goes away for something.
G16 becomes DW.
Swap EF5 for GH20 just for grins.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 02:27 am: Edit |
SELTORIANS
Right now GH14 are reserved for Selts, and MN16 are available to become Selts. Either all four need to go or we need to find another counter to be a Selt.
We need to be sure to provide enough WYN BDEs (4xPDU) to fight one major and one minor planet at the same time with enough RGTs to break a brigade down on both planets. I don't remember how many that takes. There are currently four RGT and two BDE on the sheet.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 04:02 am: Edit |
The central prefecture has 12xPDU at the Capital and 6xPDU at the minor; all outer prefectures are 8xPDU major/4xPDU minor.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 06:03 am: Edit |
Lyran Rebel: Suggest adding in priority order: LAS, SAS, LAC, SAC. Rationale: All these unit fall within the Lyran Civil War/4PW era.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 06:08 am: Edit |
Suggested added Kzinti Rebels (Orange) in priority order: FTL, FTS, LAS, SAS, FHL, LAC, SAC.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 06:17 am: Edit |
Turtle/Staff: Please do a Kzinti rebel check for EXISTING (Black on White) Kzinti SIT counters that we DO NOT YET HAVE published or plan to publish here in WHITE on ORANGE from BEFORE Y165.
I think we are VERY close to having a complete set in orange to be able to do a Middle Years Civil War with Kzintis in the future (like a Captain's Log).
File a report back here please.
| By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 03:39 pm: Edit |
How many Selt DD/FF did the WYN receive? Someone check the History of the WYN Navy article.
| By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 05:22 pm: Edit |
Chuck, the article just says the Klingons sold the WYN the last of the captured Seltorian ships, with no mention as to number or types.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 10:47 pm: Edit |
That said, Lar’s report is based on his color swap WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO USE making his report very difficult to use as I would have to rewrite it for him. Please do reports based on the latest sheet (I.e., do it over or I will ignore it) and LEAVE BLOCK SWAPS TO ME AND TO ME ALONE.
I am using caps to call attention. I am not angry or shouting.
It is better to give a list of suggested deletions (and justifications) and requested additions and let me figure out what box to put them in. Much easier for the staff and myself.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 12:41 am: Edit |
L-Reb DWT: This is a transport, not a warship. Are you sure you wouldn't rather just have a DW?
Avoid meaningless relocations. They are just wasted work better spent elsewhere. If it's in the right color now and you're just moving it to another spot in the same color and assigning something new of the same color to the open spot, why not just simplify it by putting the new thing in the open spot?
For example:
Move A to 7, then put the new B where A used to be...
is unnecessarily complex when you could just say...
put the new B in 7.
FSD E-13, Replace with WYN SFF in E-16.
Reason: Add Selt FF.
I don't get this one. First, I want to keep the wyn depots and reject that they are not needed. Second, SFF is the same as Selt FF.
FSD and PFD are not going to be deleted. You can propose a deletion but only I can decide if it's going to be deleted and I said "no".
Really, you'd be much more effective to do reports like this:
RECOMMENDED DELETIONS
PDF F13, generics available
(list ALL recommendations)
RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS
LReb DWT, available y160
(list all recommendations in priority order)
That way if I reject one of your deletions the recommended additions don't get lost. Let ME decide what box to put them in. But you're going to five times more work than you have to. I'm not a graphics technician who has no idea what a DWT is and just does whatever the game designer said to do. I'm the game designer who decides what stays and goes. Recommend, don't command, don't assume I'll agree to the recommendation.
Monty, I'm your boss. You cannot give me orders.--Eisenhower
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 12:54 am: Edit |
This one is actually quite clever, I like it....
Combine by put FRD from A-3 on backside counter in A-4.
SVC recommended
POINT OF ORDER
SVC decided. I don't recommend. I'm the guy who decides. I often ask for advice, and often take it, but I don't recommend to my boss; I am the boss.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 01:09 am: Edit |
Fish FFs, I am good with 4, 5, or 6. There are currently six. What does the staff recommend?
I think we're good on WYN ground stations, but need to flip the two PDUs over to their RGT sides, same for the PGB,
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 01:16 am: Edit |
I think I lost a post I was building....
KNOWN TO BE OPEN
AB19
KL15
K16
N16
OTHER NOTES
H18 is WYN Selt FF
KL20 pf coins
B5, GH19-20: replace with ftr/pf generic coins
H11, H12, G12, I13, I14, J13: show regimental side
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 02:14 am: Edit |
I deeply apologize if what seemed to be a brutally abrupt manner offended anyone. I'm just trying to be efficient and give the staff ways to do less work and get me more information.
I have, for the last three months, been in something of a mental fog that sometimes stops me from seeing the logical conclusion of a chain of thought. Today it finally occurred to me that "Replace the X in H20 with Y because the date for X hasn't arrived yet and we really need another Y for the scenario."
If that's the ONLY thing that's fine, BUT it never is the only thing. If you give me five of those "replace this with that" reports and I reject one or two of them, how do I know which of the five things you wanted to add are the highest priority?
It's better to give one list of things to remove, their locations and the reason to remove them, then write a second list of things you want in the priority order and let me figure out how many boxes came open and where to move them.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 01:21 pm: Edit |
Seems the WYN have two OPB, kill one?
G5
M15
FEDS: Recommends removal of WYN OPB @ M-15.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Sunday, October 26, 2025 - 10:00 am: Edit |
The SFB bases shared with SPP were the WYN bases. The Orion bases are weaker.
TO: sheet OSCAR has two Romulan (red) KE7
The Vudar STB for SBA is a good swap.
WYN ground bases: sounds like we may be good on WYN PDUs as 4 RGT is 8, plus 2 BDEs are another 8 for 16 total. With that many we can make change up or down as needed. If players wanted 2 more we have in G-12: PGB/2PGB already and could always add the fighter/PF coins provided. Gives us 18 that way.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 09:28 am: Edit |
Sorry again SVC i was way out of time when i hit post on that large complex message. No one should be offended at all.
Thanks for the guidance. I also typically like to have a visual to help explain which I have. I have not translated that very well here either.
Along with that explanation did put together I also have a colorized map in Excel of the sheet as it is (your last posting of it) and how my long list of notes and suggestions change it. This helps me see the status as it goes along.
I can break it down better and try to describe the visual end. I can also follow the guidance for simplicity and keep the moves for organizational sake to a minimum. MOVES ARE MY JOB. IF YOU INSIST ON SUGGESTING MOVEMENTS I GUESS I CNNOT STOP YOU BUT THAT IS SEPARATE FROM YOUR ACTUAL JOB. IT MIGHT BE ABOUT AS WELCOME AS MY GIVING YOU INVESTMENT ADVICE.
As a reviewer (and someone who way over plans a thing) my brain looks for logically the best and easiest way to verify something is correct or complete. (Even if we have to take a longer path to get there…this is why my map helps me).
Small example to explain:
If I were to check to see of we had all of a thing i would want to find a pattern: e.g. bases
For the bases my brain thinks to set them by build order to know they are all there.
MB, BS, BTS, STB, SB, SFB and for X right underneath them.
OPB, BSX, BTX, STX, SBX, SFX.
This way as I scan across i know i havent missed one.
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO USE HALF OF LEFTOVER WARS TO DO ONE OF EVERY CONCEIVABLE BASE JUST FOR REFERENCE.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 10:02 am: Edit |
Let me start at the beginning with the color swap:
NOT YOUR JOB. I GOT THIS.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 10:10 am: Edit |
Unless the discussion with Jean / decision for spare parts changes the concept art I will hold here and wait further instruction.
Once you say 'GO!' I can simplify the individual swaps above as suggested and still get everything on to the sheet ready for final review approval. NO THANK YOU. REMOVAL RECOMMENDATIONS, ADDITION RECOMMENDATIONS, ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS ARE PRIORITY TWO, THREE, AND ONE.
COUNTER/BLOCK SWAPS ARE PRIORITY FOURTEEN.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 - 12:00 pm: Edit |
I do not want swap reports or moving blocks or individual counters around. That’s my job, and I do not need or want help and apparently get cranky when given it. Tread lightly and only for a few very important cases.
The only counters reports I need are a list of recommended removals, with justification statements, and a separate list of requested additions, with justification statements, in priority order. The two lists do not need to be the same length as you can’t predict what removals I will agree to or who else will make recommendations.
Answering the various questions I asked would be helpful. I would have difficulty doing my job without answers from several staffers.
I said that last night. I am done with unrequested graphic design help. I have not taught you enough for you to be as helpful as you think you are being. You keep running into other considerations I haven’t explained. Your suggestions just amount to extra work for esoteric benefits I cannot fathom. If you really want to try a small number for some reason other than “obey my orders” then I will try to not order any executions today.
| By Alex Chobot (Alendrel) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 05:25 pm: Edit |
Ah it’s in the ship descriptions in that issue of CL: 2 DD and 3 FF.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 06:44 pm: Edit |
That is why the sheet I posted has two Selt DDs and three Selt FFs.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 09:24 pm: Edit |
Okay here are my suggestions for the current sheet: (Not Yet Staff/FEDS approved.)
| LAC | A-19 | Replace with | DDL | A-19 | Reason: DDL was available Y159 and LAC is not in the game yet. |
| SAC | B-19 | Replace with | DDG | B-19 | Reason: DDG was available Y159 and SAC is not in the game yet. |
| EMPTY | B-20 | Replace with | MB-N | B-20 | Reason: This set up MB was missed on the initial go around. |
| DIP | E-2 | Replace with | CAM | E-2 | Reason: Middle years CA Y125 and Diplomats are not needed. |
| EMPTY | H-18 | Replace with | SFF | H-18 | Reason: Add last ever needed Selt FF. |
| IND FTR | G-19 | Replace with | Yellow ??? | G-19 | Reason: No need for IND FTRS in CivWar as all colors have Ftrs. |
| IND FTR | H-19 | Replace with | Yellow ??? | H-19 | Reason: No need for IND FTRS in CivWar as all colors have Ftrs. |
| IND FTR | G-20 | Replace with | Rom-Reb GHT | G-20 | Reason: Move GHT K-19 back to this spot to free L-Reb space. |
| IND FTR | H-20 | Replace with | Rom-Reb K5F | H-20 | Reason: Move K5F L-19 back to this spot to free L-Reb space. |
| LAC | K-15 | Replace with | JGP | K-15 | Reason: JGP was available Y163 and LAC is not in the game yet. |
| SAC | L-15 | Replace with | DWT | L-15 | Reason: DWT was available Y165 and SAC is not in the game yet. |
| EMPTY | K-16 | Replace with | DWL | K-16 | Reason: DWL was available Y166. |
| Rom Reb GHT | K-19 | Replace with | L-Reb CW | K-19 | Reason: CW was available Y164. Moved RR GHT up. |
| Rom Reb K5F | L-19 | Replace with | L-Reb DW | L-19 | Reason: DW was available Y164. Moved RR K5F up. |
| Rom Reb EMPTY | K-20 | Replace with | L-Reb CW | K-20 | Reason: CW was available Y164. Need 2nd. |
| Rom Reb EMPTY | L-20 | Replace with | L-Reb DW | L-20 | Reason: DW was available Y164. Need 2nd. |
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 09:25 pm: Edit |
This leaves some slots but we can wait to see if these changes work before adding anything extra.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 09:31 pm: Edit |
Reminder: Check FED BSX in E-2. This is unlikely to have PFs as the Fed didn't use them.
The STX has 9H6 so maybe something along those lines??
HUSSHHHHHH! DON'T EXPOSE THE SECRET NEW RULE IN THE FED CIVIL WAR SCENARIO.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 09:55 pm: Edit |
We need independent fighters to mark the ones used as such.
I could turn them into generic fighter/PF six-packs but one way or the other THEY ARE STAYING.
Designer Prerogative. Dead Horse.
| By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 11:00 pm: Edit |
SVC,
Lyran Fighter introduction date is Y!68S. So the fighter coins can go to LEFTOVER WARS for now.
| By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 11:08 pm: Edit |
Believe the SAC/LAC were part of Minor Empires for the LDR [along with the armed auxes (SAA/LAA)] …
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 12:50 am: Edit |
LAC and SAC were Chuck priorities, so you need his permission to remove them.
Chuck: Is there a particular reason for LAC and SAC to be included here for rebels when the main empires don't have them?
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FEDS: I was planning forward a bit to a future scenario teaming the LDR with a Lyran rebel or even a variant of the 4PW with the LDR teaming with Rebel.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 12:57 am: Edit |
BTW, I have set up a sheet on my hard disk called LEFTOVER WARS. From now on, when a counter is kicked out of a sheet, I will put it there so we can recover it (maybe) for the next countersheet. If it fills up maybe we will do it in its own right sometime or add it to UNIMPORTANT OPERATIONS.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 01:08 am: Edit |
SWAP Block-I-L with Block III-R to bring all four Kzinti rebels into the top 2/7 of the sheet.
Swap III-L with VII-R to bring all of the yellow counters into a single block.
This is just a warning of my plans. DO NOT use it to calculation positions after the move (which I might not do). It's better to not try to say "box 20, remove X, insert Y" but to recommend "delete X from 20" and recommend "we need a Y" and let me sort it out.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 01:14 am: Edit |
Analysis: issues need to be resolved before counter-swap plans can be made.
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C A-19 Replace with DDL A-19 Reason: DDL was available Y159 and LAC is not in the game yet.
SAC B-19 Replace with DDG B-19 Reason: DDG was available Y159 and SAC is not in the game yet.
LAC K-15 Replace with JGP K-15 Reason: JGP was available Y163 and LAC is not in the game yet.
SAC L-15 Replace with DWT L-15 Reason: DWT was available Y165 and SAC is not in the game yet.
NOT UNLESS CHUCK APPROVES
FEDS APPROVES.
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EMPTY B-20 Replace with MB-N B-20 Reason: This set up MB was missed on the initial go around.
B20 IS RESERVED FOR "COUNT"
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EMPTY B-20 Replace with MB-N B-20 Reason: This set up MB was missed on the initial go around.
NOT SURE DIPS ARE NOT NEEDED
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EMPTY H-18 Replace with SFF H-18 Reason: Add last ever needed Selt FF.
OOPS, I THOUGHT I DID THAT.
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IND FTR G-19 Replace with Yellow ??? G-19 Reason: No need for IND FTRS in CivWar as all colors have Ftrs.
IND FTR H-19 Replace with Yellow ??? H-19 Reason: No need for IND FTRS in CivWar as all colors have Ftrs.
IND FTR G-20 Replace with Rom-Reb GHT G-20 Reason: Move GHT K-19 back to this spot to free L-Reb space.
IND FTR H-20 Replace with Rom-Reb K5F H-20 Reason: Move K5F L-19 back to this spot to free L-Reb space.
NO, JUST NO.
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EMPTY K-16 Replace with DWL K-16 Reason: DWL was available Y166.
Rom Reb EMPTY K-20 Replace with L-Reb CW K-20 Reason: CW was available Y164. Need 2nd.
Rom Reb EMPTY L-20 Replace with L-Reb DW L-20 Reason: DW was available Y164. Need 2nd.
THOSE SPOTS RESERVED FOR ROM REBEL LAC & SAC; SEE CHUCK.
FEDS IS OKAY WITH ADDING THESE CW/DW.
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Rom Reb GHT K-19 Replace with L-Reb CW K-19 Reason: CW was available Y164. Moved RR GHT up.
Rom Reb K5F L-19 Replace with L-Reb DW L-19 Reason: DW was available Y164. Moved RR K5F up.
"UP" IS NOT AVAILABLE
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 04:44 am: Edit |
For the LDR that is likely. The SITs for the main empires currently show Aux Combatants HAC/JAC/LAC/SAC as Defensive Operations and do so because they were added as a someday item when ME came out. We may have arrived at ‘someday’.
Looking at the Lyran SIT in particular and YIS I would say we would need to do the research to verify if the given place holder dates are indeed accurate to SFU timelines. They were, for F&E, in CL44.
HAC YIS 180
JAC YIS 170
LAC YIS 160
SAC YIS 150
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 07:39 am: Edit |
I like that double leader idea.
Yeah, I consolidated them as I was confused.
| By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 08:57 am: Edit |
Are the PFD and FSD counters at G13 and H13 needed for some scenario-specific reason? I don't think any other empire has separate counters for PF/Fighter storage depots, so those might be good candidates to free up a couple spaces for ships.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 11:06 am: Edit |
Patrick is correct Sheet T+U in Combined Ops has at least 14 FSD/PFD counters per sheet including two generics. Players who wanted all of the Police Ships likely bought 2 extra sheets. Prob can drop these from Zulu.
Good catch.
NOTE: ELITE PLAYERS LIKE THE STAFF PROBABLY BUY EXTRA COUNTERS. LOTS OF PLAYERS DO NOT. WE CANNOT DESIGN THE GAME JUST FOR THE ELITE PLAYERS WHO ARE ADDICTED TO COUNTERS.
| By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 11:57 am: Edit |
Also in terms of Lyran Fighter coins. They can use either the Yellow Lyran coins that came on sheet G or the Klingon coins and still be inside of spec.
I am going to reserve additional suggestions until we have a new view of the color block changes and recent updates.
I have several more rules line items to process while waiting.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 12:36 pm: Edit |
INFUSION REPORT
This is supposed to fix my “iron poor blood” and will do so. But not today.
Some people feel better immediately, some people take an extra day. My niece Angela and Leanna’s niece Amy had them and felt better right away. I didn’t. They are twenty years younger.
I am going to stay home today and let my body adjust.
Sorry for the delay.
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