ALL DONE, I AM SHOCKED THAT THIS STUFF WASN'T FOUND A WEEK AGO.

L-5 Rom K5F: compot dismissing FCR fighter factors [6].
L-20 Pink K5F: compot dismissing FCR fighter factors [6] .

N-16 WYN CWS: Recommended compot 4-7*/2-4. Rationale: Looking at the Kzinti MSC (rated 5-7*/2-4) and assuming the replacement of all for disruptors with special sensors on the WYN CW -- then both ships are similar.

M-3 WYN IDX is missing 1 casual fighter front; (0.5) on the back.
G-14/15/16 WYN SFFs: the correct designation is SFF not FF; add missing fighters (1)/(0.5).
H-14/15 WYN SDDs: the correct designation is SDD not FF; ; Compot should read 8-7(1)/4(0.5)

A-2 Lyran BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like all the other Lyran bases on this sheet.

C-2 Orange BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Orange bases on this sheet.

D-3 ORANGE SFX: Missing compot is 70*/35*.

C-9 Orange BSX is missing scout diamond front/back.

====done to this point

E-2 Fed BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters/PFs as this is supposed to be vanilla base like all the other Fed bases on this sheet.
M-8 Klingon BSX: is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Klingon bases on this sheet.

G-2 ISC BSX: Suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like all the other ISC bases on this sheet.
ISC: All bases need PPD dots front/back.

I-2 Pink BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Pink bases on this sheet.
I-8 Pink BS is a repeat of I-1; suggest removal to make space for other priorities.
K-18 Pink GHT: Suggest removal as the Civil Wars modules concentrates on Rom rebels using KESTRAL ships; this space could be used for higher priorities.

K-2 Rom BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Rom bases on this sheet.

M-2 Kzinti BSX is missing scout diamond front/back; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Kzinti bases on this sheet.

M-8 Gorn BSX: Suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like some of the other Gorn bases on this sheet.

A-7 Hydran BSX is missing scout diamond F/B; suggest removal of fighters as this is supposed to be vanilla base like all the other Hydran bases on this sheet.
A-10 Hydran BTX is already on AO sheet N&O D-19; suggest removal to make space for other priorities.
B-10 Hydran STB is a repeat of B-9; suggest removal to make space for other priorities.

L-7/8 Purple BS & BTS are duplicates of K-7/8 (above) and can be removed.
L-9 Purple STB is a Y175 General War era counter and could be removed to make room for higher priority counters.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 - 05:02 am: Edit

DONE

Thanks for consolidating the reference pages of this sheet. It was getting a bit confusing jumping back and forth to find what changed.

Agree with the grouping of color.

For the DIP-COUNT discussion maybe put them back to back to save a slot. Also DIPs cannot be crippled so we could do it.
I was thinking sonething similar for the USURPER and CROWN counters but maybe with ADM on back. MMG crossed my mind but those can be crippled.
WILL PUT ADMIRL ON BACK LIKE THE OTHERS.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 02:25 am: Edit

GOT IT ALL, DIDN'T HAVE TO DELETE THE TWO WYNS I WANTED TO KEEP ANYWAY

All Suggestions ammended after counting my lucky stars.
You can ignore my other posts above. Assuming your decision on doubling up the FRDs and the leaders is still good. I may have restated some things just for completeness that potentially were done at 75mph or in a jail cell.
Oh and the L-Reb should not have an OPB.

Z-stars = 7 (ORANGE)
Add: Z-reb CAM: was available Y125.
Add: Z-reb DDG: was available Y159.
Add: Z-reb DDL: was available Y159.
Add: Z-reb DDV: was available Y163.
Add: Z-reb DDE: was available Y166.
Add: Z-reb LAV: available before Y166.
Add: Z-reb SAV: available before Y166.
<B><FONT COLOR="119911">FEDS: Concurs with these in priority order listed above.
Might suggest removal of the Orange DWT @ G-19 (this was to be the PURPLE DWT) to make room for the top 5 ships above. Rationale: Having these top 5 ships gives us a complete set of Kzinti rebel warship counters from Y121-166; allows for other civil wars and skirmish scenarios.</FONT></B>

L-Stars = 3 (not shown) (PURPLE)
Drop: L-Reb FTRs K 17 and L 17, date Y166
Drop: L-Reb FRD K 16, already on Single Sided Civil Wars sheet.
Add: L-Reb JGP: was available Y163.
Add: L-Reb CW: was available Y164.
Add: L-Reb DW: was available Y164.
Add: L-Reb DWT: was available Y165.
Add: L-Reb DWL: was available Y166.
Add: L-Reb CW; second one if possible.
Add: L-Reb DW; second one if possible.
FEDS: Concurs with these in priority order listed above. Rationale: Having at least one of each of these (JGP/CW/DW/DWT/DWL) gives us a complete set of Lyran rebel warship counters from Y119-166; allows for other civil wars and skirmish scenarios.

Would rather keep the Aux Scouts if we can. (Possible CW/DW solution below)

R-stars = 2 (PINK)
Add: R-Reb FHL: Chuck wanted, you said you forgot. FEDS: Concurs if PINK space is available..
Drop: R-Reb GHT K19. Red one is enough. FEDS: Concurs.
Add: R-Reb FTL: On OB, got forgotten.

W-stars = 2 (YELLOW)
Drop: WYN OPB M16. Chuck post: duplicate of G5. FEDS: Concurs.
Drop: WYN Fish FF: The 5th was nice have now lower priority.
Solution: Even up the WYN block to have two slots and slide K/L-18 into place to allow L-Reb CW / DW at K/L-18.

Its late i am going to bed and will check back in the morning

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 10:50 am: Edit

DONE
N6 should be 18 combat factors.

BTW, F14 is just there until I can save a copy for back.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 10:57 am: Edit

Schedule update.
Sheet needs to go to press ASAP due to exhaustion of stocks of boxed game. We are already a week behind schedule. Back of sheet cannot even be started until lockdown of front.
It will take three or four weeks to get counters. Rulebook WILL go to press the day they arrive regardless of staff completing their work. One staff officer will be executed for each rule book mistake found after that point.
For extra fun, I will be out of town Friday, Saturday, Sunday (Tomorrow, back at desk Monday) as Leanna wants me to drive her to horse show in Fort Worth. Turns out Uber would cost $6,589 to drive her.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 11:20 am: Edit

Sounds like fun. Clarification you mean starting this Friday (tomorrow), right?

I am sure we can sheet done today. We are so very close!

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 11:25 am: Edit

By close i mean once all the slots are settled we can ramp up the details review for your final approval.

BTW, F14 is just there until I can save a copy for back.
Cool, I figured that but counted the star as a slot believing one of those two FRD locations 13/14 was going to be available.

By Warren Mathews (Turtle) on Monday, October 27, 2025 - 08:04 am: Edit

I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT THESE ARE ON THE OTHER SHEET DONE FOUR YEARS AGO. IF ANY ARE NEEDED ON ZULU SPEAK UP.

Kzinti Rebel counters that would be available for Middle Years scenarios not currently on Zulu but have their counterpart on existing sheets elsewhere.

Kzinti Rebel Counter: Add: CS Factors 7-8/4. Reason: The Kzinti CS pre refit version of the BC exists on FO Sheet I&J 2015. The YIS for the CS is Y125. Thomas Mathews 27 Oct 2025

Kzinti Rebel Counter: Add CL Factors 6/3 Reason the Kzinti CL is available Y121. Thomas Mathews 27 Oct 2025

Kzinti Rebel Counter: Add DD Factors 6/3. Reason the Kzinit DD is available Y159. Thomas Mathews 27 Oct 2025

Kzinti Rebel Counter: Add FF Factors 4/2. Reason the Kzinti FF is available Y121. Thomas Mathews 27 Oct 2025

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 01:54 pm: Edit

k15: CHECK SIT, ADD IF NEEDED, DELETE NOTE ON COUNTERS
G19, G20: CHECK SIT, ADD IF NEEDED, DELETE NOTE ON COUNTERS

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 02:00 pm: Edit

NEW SHEET TO BE POSTED MOMENTARILY. I might post again tonight before I go to Fort Worth. The three empty LReb counters could be variants of JagdPanther. Collect the whole set!

Everybody better be bloody happy with the Thor's day revision sheet.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 02:07 pm: Edit

E5 and K16 need factors confirmed and silhouette.

All counters should have SILS by now and if they don't it's a reportable fix.

M16 delete duplicate OPB

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 03:26 pm: Edit

FLASH NEWS, NUCLEAR EMERGENCY

I finally got a chance to discuss the concept of "being able to maybe split the sheet in half and sell the two halves as different spare parts, all while including the whole sheet in CIVIL WARS."

The result of this was "Jean's lunatic plan that just might be genius."

Her plan is this...
SHEET ZULU
Delete the Fed, Klingon, Imperial Rom, Hydran, Orion, ISC, Tholian, Gorn, (and maybe Kzinti, Lyran, and LDR) counters. Replace with more copies of rebel bases but these would be yet-another previously unpublished configuration of bases and fighters and gunboats".

SHEET BASE TWO (BUFFALO)
Take the left half of Zulu (the right half would be a standard basic set bases sheet) and delete the Z-Rebel, L-Rebel, R-Rebel, and Wyn counters, and replace those with new configurations of bases for the boxed set empires.

The work to do this would be (not zero but) fairly easy and straightforward, as I would be cloning existing counters and adding a fighter or gunboat marker.

Before we make a decision, I need staff and consumer weigh-in.

Thoughts?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 03:30 pm: Edit

JUST OCCURRED TO ME
As part of that, the PDU/PGB counters from the right half of Zulu could migrate to the west half and create space for more CW/DW for the various rebels.

By Mike Curtis (Nashvillen) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 03:47 pm: Edit

That is a great idea. Not only does it fill a hole it adds flexibility.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 03:53 pm: Edit

I mean if your gonna ask the addicts if they want more cardboard...um...yep!

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Before we go down that road however I want to add some information to this current sheet that will end up translating either way.

E5: Missing silhouette (only saying so because that was the issue with the one on Sierra, but I know we are going to fix it here.)

K17: Add L-Reb LAC: Previously removed but now there is room.

L17: Add L-Reb SAC: Previously removed but now there is room.

THOSE SPOTS HAVE JGP VARIANTS IN THEM.

NOTES: Those slots marked "not on SIT" are actually on the TacOPS sit that is yet to be fully integrated to the Main SIT sometime after the release of this product.. THANKS

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 04:15 pm: Edit

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 05:07 pm: Edit

See the buffalo topic. It will only be boxed set empires, so no Vudar, LDR, ISC, Selt, rebel, etc. Discuss it in THAT topic.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 05:17 pm: Edit

MY TAKE
AB1-6 Keep, useful in civl wars.
AB7-10 delete, use for something from CW
AB11-20, rebels, keep
CD1-20 Keep
EF1-10 Delete except for the two ships (maybe). Use for CW.
EF11-20: rebels keep
GH1-4 delete ISC, use for civl wars
GH5-20 keep
IJ1-20 keep
KL-1-4 and 6 delete
KL5 I could argue both ways
KL7-20 keep
MN1-6 keep, useful in civl wars
MN7-10 delete
MN11-20 keep

Remember to consider moving ground bases and fighter coins to the left half. But we will probably never split ZULU.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 30, 2025 - 08:47 pm: Edit

To amplify info…

Take the last ZULU, remove Feds, Klingons, Gorns, Tholians, Orions, ISC.
Leave rebels.
Maybe keep Lyran, LDR, Romulan, Kzinti.
Fill empty spots with more bases (different configurations) and or ships for the rebels.

To create Buffalo, take the left half of Zulu, retitle it BUFFALO, remove the rebels, add more configurations for the boxed set empires.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, November 01, 2025 - 04:38 pm: Edit

The new plan will need about forty more SHIPS.

Rebel ships only.

Requests?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, November 01, 2025 - 09:45 pm: Edit

I guess when I get back to my desk I am just going to randomly fill in the blanks.

One thing, the Orion, Fed, and Rom ships seem to not be any logical part of this project.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Sunday, November 02, 2025 - 01:19 am: Edit

Absent of requests, STAFF is working on a proposal.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, November 02, 2025 - 04:50 pm: Edit

DECISION THE FIRST

OPTION 1: Remove Fed FFP, Orion BRS, Rom GHT, Rom K5F as they have nothing to do with the product.

OPTION 2: Keep them, they're ships that would be fun to have counters for.

Input?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, November 02, 2025 - 06:04 pm: Edit

OPTION 2

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Sunday, November 02, 2025 - 07:41 pm: Edit

SO NOTED

The BRS can be used as a purchase option with the Orion mercenaries in the War of Return.

These Roms complete the missing ships from TO.

The FFP is blue and fixes a misprinted counter.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, November 02, 2025 - 10:09 pm: Edit

http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Newsletter/September-2023/209%20SFB%20Klingon%20F5WS.pdf

http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Newsletter/November-2022/203_SFB_Rom_Turkey.pdf

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Monday, November 03, 2025 - 04:17 pm: Edit

DID WHAT I COULD.

Throwing in a few options from the peanut gallery...

If you're open to more mercenaries, the Orion could also use a DWG and/or BRG (e.g. a DW or BR that fills its main hull option mounts with barracks). Currently the only Orion troop ships are the VIK and HDWG, and I have to imagine at least some space pirates would want to be equipped for ship capture and ground raids. DIFFICULT, BARELY POSSIBLE, NOT SURE IT'S WORTH THE CHAOS IT WILL CREATE. BUT MAYBE IF THE STAFF ENDORSES IT.

Also submitted for consideration (I didn't find these elsewhere, but possible I missed 'em):
Kzinti Rebel PV - POL and FLG are already present, this rounds out the police force. DONE.
Kzinti Rebel CVD - A very good conversion from the Kzinti CVL, which does have a rebel counter. WILL DO TOMORROW.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, November 03, 2025 - 10:33 pm: Edit

Thank you to all involved in getting this countersheet to where it is at present - to include finding room for all five WYN-Seltorian hulls!

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Alas, I've been away from the boards at precisely the wrong time.

But, if I were to make one super-last-minute suggestion here, it would be to replace the WYN frigate in slot L13 with a would-be WYN "IDD".

Rationale: my recollection of the R-section data in CL37 is that, when the ISC destroyer hull that became the historical IDX was captured, the WYNs themselves were the ones to install first-generation X-technology into the ship. (Apologies if I have misremembered the R-section note in question.)

In which case, it might be an option to permit the WYN player to choose to operate this captured ISC hull as a non-X-ship - or, perhaps, to defer the installation of X1-tech upon it until a later date.

That said, if my recollection was in error (as in, the WYNs had captured an ISC DDX from the outset) - or, if it's too late a juncture to cook up a set of factors for this would-be "IDD" - well and good.