DONE DONE DONE

LYRAN REBEL
CWL
DWS
FHL
BC
DN
DNL
I COULD GIVE YOU 4xPOL AND 2xPGB2 IF THAT WOULD WORK?

FEDS: Yes please.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 06:08 am: Edit

SPECIAL THANKS TO THE STAFF AND CO-DESIGNER CHUCK STRONG FOR GETTING THOSE REPORTS TO ME.

THIS IS WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE WHEN I PUT A PROFESSIONAL US MILITARY OFFICER IN CHARGE OF SOMETHING. GOOD THINGS HAPPEN.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 07:31 am: Edit

Per the R-section data marked under (R12.43) in SFB Module R7, reports suggest that the Jindarian base hull in question was supposedly found as a derelict within the Cluster itself, having been abandoned by its prior owners perhaps centuries earlier. However, it is unclear as to whether or not the WYN-Jindarian iteration of this ship historically existed - or, if it did, that the WYNs were ever able to get it to operate as fully as is indicated on the SSD.

In doctrinal terms, the WYNs would have intended to use it as a de facto semi-portable base, and/or as part of a last line of defence.

Per the WYN MSC listings in Module G3, the hull is listed as UNQ, implying that it does indeed exist historically, at least in some shape or form. In SFB terms, this hull has the "D%" note, but is not considered to be a "DB" variant by default. (Might this be subject to change, depending on what a WYN player chooses to install in the weapon option mounts?)

So while it is noted as no longer having any unique Jindarian technologies installed while in WYN service - to include the warp engines, as the WYNs reportedly installed engines of their own design (which means that this ship cannot use "asteroid disengagement" if these engines are used) - it nonetheless might make for some interesting special rules to potentially be added to the Civil Wars rulebook, should it find a home here on Countersheet Zulu!

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I do wonder about the proposed combat factors for this hull, however.

As per the (very provisional) Jindarian SIT posted here, the asteroid CL in Jindarian service is presently marked as 8-9/4-5.

Might the proposed factors for its WYN-Jindarian counterpart - at least those for its defensive factors (which, due to the absence of unique Jindarian technology, would at best be no better than those for the original asteroid CL in SFB terms) - be best placed closer to this?

Or, to put it another way: depending on what a given SFB player chooses to install in its weapon mounts, might there be more then one potential set of F&E factors one could result in - and, thus, more than one counter that could potentially be created to account for these configurations?

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FEDS WILL RE-EXAMINE THE FACTORS LATER TONIGHT IF PERMITTED.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 08:16 am: Edit

Examine please.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 10:00 am: Edit

There is no place to add two black counters. I guess you could kill two kzinti rebels, but that gets messy.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 11:47 am: Edit

We were supposed to do Zulu in a week; this is the third week and we need to get it done. Other sheets on that reprint have gone super-critical in that time. I was told last night by the staff here that I needed to finish Zulu/Buffalo NOW or abandon the project. (There would NOT be a fourth copy of the CW sheet in that case.) Here is the plan...

0. I picked up a cold sandwich at the quickie mart so I could work through lunch.

1. I will make the posted changes to Zulu and post a revised Zulu ASAP. That needs to have as few changes as possible, and I need all changes by tomorrow morning.

2. I will get a revised BUFFALO to you this afternoon. I need all reports by tomorrow morning.

3. Wednesday I will do the backs of both sheets and post them. I need all reports by Thursday morning.

4. Thursday I need to totally finalize the sheets and send them to press. No changes past that point.

5. There is a 0.0001% change I could go to press Friday, but the production staff in the build are on the scheduling warpath. We have taken too long, pushed them too far. Abandoning the project is still possible. It would then get printed next summer.

By all means, keep sending reports until told to stop. You never know when something beyond our scope will happen to give us more time.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 12:13 pm: Edit

TVM is actually correct, Turkey-Vulture Mauler. HF203 says so. CHANGED DESIGNATION FOR NO VALID REASON BUT SURE.

ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?
===DONE===

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 12:15 pm: Edit

STILL NEED ANSWER
EF18 seems wrong. Colonies are not built during a civil war. Replace with something? OR is this part of that influence thing?

See Staff Report emailed to you today.

STAFF REPORT DOES NOT ADDRESS QUESTION.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:21 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE

TVM is actually correct, Turkey-Vulture Mauler. HF203 says so.

ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?

FEDS: Can we use the standardized F&E designation if possible?.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:28 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE
NOT THE KLINGON, NO SPACE
SEE OPTION I POSTED.

Rom KC6: 10-12/5-6 (also suggest a PINK Rom version)
TKS is missing.
IN THEORY I CAN KILL THE TWO GENERICS ab6 AND ADD THESE. I HAD LEFT OUT THE SURVEY TURKEY DUE TO LACK OF SPACE.

Fed DNT: 8-11T/4-6
Orion DWX: 7/4
IN THEORY I CAN KILL THE TWO GENERICS AB2 AND ADD THESE.

Klin FWS: 2-6*/1-3
THERE IS NO SPACE. PITY.

ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?

FEDS: if you’re look for a matching black counter then the Vudar could use an ASC.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:33 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE


The captured Jindarian ship was their rock CL.
Suggested WYN factors: designation JCL: 10-12(4)/5-6(2)
If we are adding the WYN CWS, may I suggest we add its x-tech version CWSX 6-10*/3-5* as a stable mate for the CWX X-squadron. We do this for other CWX/DWX scouts.
I THINK I CAN FIND SPOTS FOR THOSE, PERHAPS MN 18, 19, OR 20. ADVICE?

ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?

FEDS: yes please. STAFF PLEASE ADVISE ON THE COUN QUESTION .

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:35 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE


ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?

FEDS: yes please.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:37 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE

KZINTI REBEL
ASC done
SAV done
FHL you asked for this but already had one.
LAD done
SAD done
DDB done
SR done
SRV done
THE EIGHT BLANK SPOTS EF1-4 COVER THESE.

ROM REBEL
Suggest PINK Rom K10 20(4)/10(2) This, plus the KC6 above gives us a full line of Kestrels.)
I CAN KILL THE COINS AT GH16 TO ADD THESE. IF THAT'S OKAY?

FEDS: yes please.

DCS done
CCH done
BCV done
NVH cannot find on sit, tango, or oscar. Help?
I CAN GIVE YOU F5-8. DOES THAT WORK?

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 12:58 pm: Edit

Starting two hour late due to time zones and being out of pocket most of this morning.

When we looked last night at GH16 those coins were marked ‘keep’ but coins are very much lower priority than ships so yes they can go.

My own thoughts on the Jindarian ship add:
I HAVE DECIDED TO INCLUDE IT. I WANT ALL OF WYN CLUSTER DEFENSE FORCE IN ONE PLACE.


I think we proposed in our emailed report reducing the Vudar bases in number to pick up some black counters (like the FWS, LAC, etc) that should go into this product. I have slept since then so maybe things changed?
I THINK THE VUDAR NEED THOSE BASES, AND THAT INCLUDING ONE HERE AND THERE OF SOME RANDOM AUXILIARY IS LESS THAN HELPFUL, BUT I WILL REVIEW.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 01:25 pm: Edit

STAFF REPORT REPLIES
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A2 FTR6 Recommend for Removal: Filled in to E1 Add: Federation LAC
SPACE USED BY CHUCK FOR DNT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT INCLUDING LAC ANYWAY. MAYBE IN SOME OTHER PRODUCT.
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A7 BS Recommend for Removal: Exists on Sheet SIX position M8 with fighters Add: Klingon FWS
A8 BSX Recommend for Removal: Exists on Sheet SIX position N8 with fighters Add: Klingon LAC
A9 BTS Recommend for Removal: Exists on Sheet SIX position M9 with fighters Add Klingon SAC
DO NOT CONCUR. OBJECTIVE OF PRODUCT IS TO INCLUDE THE VANILLA VERSION OF ALL (AT LEAST MOST) BASES. KLINGONS HAVE BETTER SHIPS TO BUILD THAN THOSE ANYWAY.
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A10 STB Keep this unit: Factors Front: STB u 18-36 J6; Back: STB u 9-18 J3
NOT INCLUDING FIGHTERS ON THESE. THAT'S THE POINT YOU LOST TRACK OF. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE "J" MEANS. I THINK I FIGURED OUT THAT. PLEASE CHECK.
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B2 IND PF6 Recommend for Removal: Filled in to F1 Add: Federation LAC
SPACE USED BY CHUCK ALREADY.
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B7 STX Keep this unit : Factors Front: STX u 18-36 J6; Back: STX u 9-18 J3
B8 SB Keep this unit : Factors Front: SB u 36 J12; Back: SB u 18 J6
B9 SBX Keep this unit : Factors Front: SBX u PP; 54 J12; Back: SBX; J6P u ; 27
J ADDED, FIGHTERS NOT ADDED.
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B10 BTX Recommend for Removal: Exists on Sheet SIX position N9 with fighters Add: Klingon FWS (2nd)
DO NOT CONCUR, SEE ABOVE.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 01:59 pm: Edit

REPLIES TO STAFF REPORT
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C19 MGC Typo: Fix designation to MCG.
GOOD REPORT, THANKS, FIXED.
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E1 OPEN Add IND FTR6 Add IND FTR6
E2 OPEN Add IND FTR6 Add IND FTR6
E3 OPEN ADD KRB10 OPEN Orange
E4 OPEN OPEN Orange
E5 POL Possible remove
E6 POL Possible remove
E7 POL Possible remove
E8 POL Possible remove
ALL OF THOSE SPOTS WERE USED BY CHUCK.
YOUR CHANGES COULD NOT BE ACCOMODATED.
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F1 OPEN Add IND PF Add IND PF
F2 OPEN Add IND PF Add IND PF
F3 OPEN Add KC6
F4 OPEN
F5 SAC Recommend for Removal: SAC in row B is enough OPEN Orange
F6 LAC Recommend for Removal: LAC in row B is enough OPEN Orange
F7 SAC Recommend for Removal: SAC in row B is enough OPEN Orange
F8 LAC Recommend for Removal: LAC in row B is enough OPEN Orange
CHUCK HAS ALREADY USED ALL OF THOSE SPACES.
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F13 FRD Q: Do we still want to have the back as FRD+ with fighters?
THAT IS THE PLAN.
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F14 CAM This Ship image should look like the TGC without pods; see MSSB. Factors: Confirmed Front: 6-8; Back 3-4.
GOOD CATCH, FIXED, BUT REPORT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE USEFUL IF IT TOLD ME WHERE I COULD FIND A COUNTER USING THAT SILHOUETTE. FORTUNATEL, THE TGC WAS TWO INCHES AWAY AND I JUST DUPLICATED THAT AND REMOVED THE PODS.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 02:25 pm: Edit

REPLIES TO STAFF
GOOD WORK
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H7 SB should have 12 PP
H8 SBX should have 12 PP
DONE, VIOLATION OF PURPOSE, BUT SPECIAL CASE
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I1 SAC Recommend for Removal: one of the two LACs Add L-reb CWL
CHUCK ALREADY ADDED IT ELSEWHERE.
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I2 LAC Recommend for Removal: one of the two SACs Add L-reb JGPV
DONE
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I5 POL Recommend for Removal: POLs were on the CW Double Sided Sheet (M/N 20)
I6 POL Recommend for Removal: POLs were on the CW Double Sided Sheet (M/N 20)
CHUCK ALREADY USED THEM FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
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J1 SAC Keep one of the two LACs
J2 LAC Keep one of the two SACs
NOT SURE WHAT THIS MEANS
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J5 POL Recommend for Removal: POLs were on the CW Double Sided Sheet (M/N 20) OPEN
J6 POL Recommend for Removal: POLs were on the CW Double Sided Sheet (M/N 20) OPEN
CHUCK ALREADY USED IT FOR SOMETHING.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 02:32 pm: Edit

replies to staff
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K1 BS Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. BS do not have DOTS for PPD ISC LAC
K2 BSX Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. BSX do not have DOTS for PPD LYRAN LAC
K3 BTS Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar GORN LAC
K4 BTX Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar KZINTI LAC
NON-CONCUR. OBJECTIVE TO PROVIDE SUCH COUNTERS FOR EVERYONE NOT ON BUFFALO. ANDRO WAR IS TOO FAR AWAY TO WAIT.
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K10 IND FTR Recommend for Removal: as it was added in E2 HYDRAN LAC (last remaining empire ship introduced in this product)
NOT REMOVED. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ADDING HYDRAN AUXES TO THIS SHEET. NOT ON THE AGENDA.
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L1 STX Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. DOTS for PPD are after name on INDIGO ISC SAC
L2 SB Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. DOTS for PPD are after name on INDIGO LYRAN SAC
L3 SBX Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. DOTS for PPD are after name on INDIGO GORN SAC
L4 STB Remove? ISC Counters will be in AndroWar. DOTS for PPD are after name on INDIGO KZINTI SAC
DOTS CAN BE ANYWHERE.
SEE ABOVE FOR NON-REMOVAL.
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L10 IND PF Recommend for Removal: as it was added in F2 HYDRAN SAC (last remaining empire ship introduced in this product)
NO, AND NO IDEA WHAT THIS MEANS.
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L17 FTR24 Keep. FTR 12 on back
L18 FTR18 Keep. FTR 9 on back
L19 FTR6 Keep. FTR 3 on back
L20 FTR24 Keep. FTR 1 on back
I DON'T REALLY NEED A REPORT TO KEEP SOMETHING. NO CHANGE MEANS NO CHANGE SO NO NEED TO SAY IT.
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M1 POL Keep. Should be FPL
FIXED
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N1 LP Keep. Staff has no record of a published SFU LP. Assuming this is a Lyran MANX poice ship.
N2 LP Keep. Staff has no record of a published SFU LP. Assuming this is a Lyran MANX poice ship.
CORRECT

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 02:34 pm: Edit

DONE TO THIS POINT
I WILL POST ZULU-4 MOMENTARILY. IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES TO PROCESS AND CONVERT.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 03:08 pm: Edit

POSTED

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 04:32 pm: Edit

While I wait for the experts to review the proposed attack and defence factors for the WYN-Jindarian asteroid ship, I wanted to look a bit more closely at what kind of mission configurations this hull could also be used for - perhaps in a future product, should there not be any more room for such setups here.

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On the SSD, the base hull has six phaser-1s and six WYN-type weapon option mounts (each grouped into three "centerline-adjacent" pairs, spread across separate 120-degree firing arcs), plus two ADD racks.

One could assume that the "default" combat configuration has disruptors, drone racks, and/or other such weapons installed.

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Beyond this, it might be possible to offer the following:

*A de facto escort variant, with six more ADDs (or three ESGs) installed in the weapon mounts. However, there is as yet no means of installing Aegis fire control onto this hull (short of adding non-X limited Aegis via partial-X refits; an option which does not currently exist in F&E).

*A repair variant, with repair boxes in all six weapon mounts.

*A heavy scout variant, with special sensors in all six weapon mounts.

*A (weak) drone bombardment variant, with four drone racks and two special sensors installed.

*A commando variant, with a mixture of barracks and transporter boxes installed in the weapon mounts. (In principle, it could swap out its fighters for GAS shuttles, also.)

*A cargo variant, with six cargo boxes in the weapon mounts. (And perhaps swapping out some of its pairs of fighters for HTS shuttles, also?)

*And a heavy fighter variant, with four size-2 fighters in place of the eight size-1 fighters.

Since these are not HDW weapon option mounts, no heavy carrier or PF tender variants would be possible, based on the current SSD at least.

In theory, it might be possible to produce a de facto mine warfare variant, albeit one without the ability to install the dedicated minesweeper tracking system at present. However, this would not be of relevance here in F&E.

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I should note that the WYNs (reportedly) have this ship in service from Y170 onwards, per the WYN MSC in Module G3. So, at the time this hull is (supposedly) available, some of these possible configurations might be of proportionally greater use for the WYN Navy at that point in time, relative to what they have on hand by the time of the War of Return.

Once again, if any or all of these variant configurations are best left for a future countersheet, well and good. Even so, I might wonder if, i nthe long run, the WYNs might find more use with this hull (had it indeed historically existed) in a support role, rather than attempting to place it in the line of battle.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Gary, do not scare my horses.

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Tuesday, November 04, 2025 - 05:13 pm: Edit

DONE DONE DONE

C12 Kzinti Rebel CVA missing combat and fighter factors, per SIT should be 11-12 (12).

C17 Kzinti Rebel SDW missing combat factors, per SIT should be 4-6

D18 Kzinti Rebel SDF missing combat factors, per SIT should be 4

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 03:16 am: Edit

PENDING REVIEW OF LATER REPORTS

M-18 WYN JCL: 8-11(4)/4-6(2) Rationale: The WYN added 6xWarp, 9xBattery; and 8xAWR to this rock; it can take a hit like a dreadnought but with only the armament of a cruiser.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 04:38 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE

A-10; B-7/8/9 VUDAR STB/STX/SB/SBX: The Vudar cannot build sector bases or larger per SFB rule (R1.47). Suggested replacements:
Klingon FWS: 2-6*/1-3
Klingon LAC
Klingon SAC
VUDAR ASC

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 05:04 am: Edit

DONE DONE DONE DE DONE DONE

F2/3: suggest a better contrast diamonds for SR/SRV - GREEN?
INVISIBLE TO RED-GREEN COLORBLIND PEOPLE. I FOUND ANOTHER SOLUTION.

I-5 PURPLE FHL is duplicated at I-13; suggest removal and replace with JGPF: 7R/4.
I CAN FIND NO RECORD OF THIS SHIP TYPE. MORE INFO PLEASE. FOR NOW I WILL PUT SOME KIND OF AUX IN THAT SPOT JUST SO WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY GO TO PRESS WITH A BLANK COUNTER. THIS IS NOW I15 SO THAT ALL JGPS ARE IN ONE BLOCK.

J-16 PURPLE JGPC: The 'star' is not used for F&E modular command ships; suggest removal. I AM DOING SOMETHING NEW HERE. CREATIVE, THAT'S ME.

M14/15/16, N14/15 SDD/SFF: The SDD factors are 8-7(1)/4(0.5) The casual fighter factors on the SFF; suggest adding (1)/(0.5) for SFF. OKAY

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 05:21 am: Edit

DONE

M18 WYN FF: Suggest replacement with IDD per ship description in CL37 (R12.A5). Factors: 7-6(1)/3(0.5); there are five other WYN FFs on sheet. This should make Gary happy...

M1 WYN FPL: factors are 6-5/3; see OSCAR B16 for FPL there.

N3 WYN KG2 is duplicated at N4 and again on OSCAR; suggest replacement with WYN CWPX 5-10P*/3-5P*; Ref (R12.210).

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 05:41 am: Edit

DID THE LAST TWO; CHUCK SAID NOT TO DO OTHERS.

SVC: Check your e-mail for my comments on Ryan's e-mail report; I will include them below for the record...

E1 ASC Only one of these allowed and it belongs to the Crown Replace with ACS See VULKAN I1
FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep the WYN Aux Space Control ship. Rationale: Allows for scenario alternatives.


E17 ENG Not available for Count to build or influence Replace with DWX See Tango H13
FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep ENG. Rationale: The WoR scenario has the Count in control of the ENG.

E18 Colony Not available to build Replace with DWY See TANGO H12
FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep COLONY Rationale: The pre-GW era may use these.

F18 C-BAse Not available to build Replace with DWH See TANGO G8
FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep C-BASE Rationale: The pre-GW era may use these.

I9 ENG Remove not available pre–GW Replace with FF See Sheet CW N11
FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep ENG Rationale: The pre-GW era may use these. YIS is Y166.


N1 WYN LP Change name to LPL or LPOL Same abbreviation as the Lord Paladin, also conforms with WYN practice of Empire-Ship
FEDS: Go with LPL.

N2 WYN LP Change name to LPL or LPOL Same abbreviation as the Lord Paladin, also conforms with WYN practice of Empire-Ship
FEDS: Go with LPL.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 09:50 am: Edit

DID NOT DO, PER CHUCK

E1 ASC Only one of these allowed and it belongs to the Crown Replace with ACS See VULKAN I1

FEDS: Non-concurs. Keep the WYN Aux Space Control ship. Rationale: Allows for scenario alternatives.

Clarification: E1 is not a WYN unit; it is the Count Z-Rebels.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 10:49 am: Edit

DONE EXCEPT AS NOTED
This came in by email and should have been posted here. I am having to do twice as much work to figure out what parts of this Chuck already posted.

B3 KSF Should be K5F
C12 CVA missing combat and fighter factors, per SIT should be 11-12 (12)
C17 SDW missing combat factors, per SIT should be 4-6
C18 SDF missing combat factors, per SIT should be 4
E1 SEE CHUCK
E7 POL On sheet CW Replace with NDC See VULKAN H1
E8 POL On sheet CW Replace with HCM see TANGO G12
E17 SEE CHUCK
E18 SEE CHUCK
F18 SEE CHUCK
I9 SEE CHUCK
I13 SEE CHUCK
J1 SAC Duplicate in I1 Replace with SAV See E14
NON-CONCUR. LREB HAVE NO FIGHTERS
K1 BS Remove DOT doesn't have PPD See Sheet Indigo M17 for example
K2 BSX Remove DOT doesn't have PPD See Sheet Indigo N17 for example
K9 6 FTR Remove Add Kzinti LAC
DISAGREE
K10 6 FTR Remove Add Kzinti SAC
DISAGREE
L8 6 FTR Remove Replace with GENERIC 2 FTR-M (FRONT) FTR-M (BACK) See Sheet TU H17/H16 for example
NO, JUST NO.
L9 6 PF Remove Replace with GENERIC 2 FTR-M (FRONT) FTR-M (BACK) See Sheet TU H17/H16 for example
NO, JUST NO.
L10 6 PF Remove Replace with GENERIC 2 FTR-M (FRONT) FTR-M (BACK) See Sheet TU H17/H16 for example
NO, JUST NO.,
N1 SEE CHUCK
N2 SEE CHUCK

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 11:42 am: Edit

ALL ZULU REPORTS TO THIS POINT HAVE BEEN DONE.

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 12:09 pm: Edit

FIXED
D13 Kzinti Rebel BCS missing fighter factors. Should be 3P per SIT, currently only shows P.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 01:19 pm: Edit

HANDLED
New 11/05 posted sheet:

My eye cannot help but notice the ISC BTS base has the DOT flipped w/ the scout symbol as compared to other bases shown


Still have duplicates of LReb LAC / SAC in the following locations: I1, I2, I15, J1.
Suggest if no other LReb option becomes visible we reduce the number to one each and turn: locations I1 & J1 into Generic color LAC / SAC to cover empires who wont have them yet. Similar to how we have handled bases and other non-ship units in the past
NOT AN OPTION, BREAKS COLOR BLOCK
YOU COULD ARGUE TO CHANGE GENERIC FIGHTER/PF COINS BUT I GET GRUMPY WHEN PEOPLE MESS WITH M COINS AS RYAN ALREADY DID THIS MORNING.
CHUCK HAS RESERVED ONE OF THOSE FOR A JAGDPANTHER VARIANT I CANNOT FIND ON THE SIT.

JGPC still has the star which is not a special symbol used for this unit suggest removal of symbol SEE MY PREVIOUS REPLY

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 01:23 pm: Edit

DONE
The Rom KSF in the B3 slot should be K5F. FIXED

The B5 TKG marines look like the font may be too small (but ot may just be my eyes against the red. BIGGER FRONT DOESN'T FIT THE SPACE.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 01:34 pm: Edit

DONE
Sorry I missed the JGPF comment for sure let me find it.

This ship was published in its true Lyran colors on P+Q in location M12. It’s a field repair cruiser variant of the JGP allowed under rule (525.24), specifically (525.242) for this mission.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 01:47 pm: Edit

IN THE END, I DID IT ANYWAY
For the record the logic around the JGPF is that despite the option and availability of this unit the players would let this variant ‘ride in the counter tray’ as Civil War scenarios of all eras are cash strapped. Thus using money for field repair would be an ultimate last priority / last resort mission decision that would first be assigned to repair ships, then repair transports, then finally the JGP.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 02:06 pm: Edit

NOT SAYING "NO" FOREVER, BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THIS IDEA OF PUTTING ONE-SIDED COUNTERS BACK TO BACK. IN THE ENTIRE GAME, IF YOU HIT SOMETHING YOU FLIP IT OVER, AND YOU EITHER SEE IT CRIPPLED OR YOU SEE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A CRIPPLED SIDE. WITH THIS SINGLES BACK TO BACK CONCEPT, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT A DESTROYED COLONY DOES NOT TURN INTO A BETTER COLONY BASE. IT'S MENTALLY JARRING. I REGRET DOING THAT FRD THAT WAY AND MAY TOSS THE BACKSIDE BEFORE WE'RE DONE.
What is on the back side of the single sided Colony and Col Base counters?
It would be nice of these were back to back.
Rationale: Players establish a colony, they can then pay to upgrade it with a base. Allows for twice as many on a sheet and doesnt allow players to have to go digging into the counter tray again for the upgrade.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 02:10 pm: Edit

SEE ABOVE COMMENTS.
FOR THE RECORD I STILL TH INK WE NEED TO TOSS BOTH OF THEM.

Colony and Colony Base.

446.1 states a “An empire must be at war or limited war to build colonies.” No need to keep for PRE-GW scenarios.

FEDS: I can see your point but what about the ones existing scenarios? If ADB is amenable...since the Colony/C-Base is a single sided counter can the C-base be placed on the back of the colony counter. Recommended replacement of C-base @ F-18: ACS - Area control ship.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 03:19 pm: Edit

DONE
Typo: G16 Rom Reb PF Coin says PF6 but should say PF and have the 6 in the special factor slot. Compare with A14 or K16 for examples.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 03:43 pm: Edit

DONE

<FONT COLOR="119911"><B>FEDS: D-4/5 Suggest replacements ORANGE SFB/SFX with DWX and DWSX.
Rationale: The rebels are highly unlikely to have the cash to convert to these very expensive units post-GW and go unused. The DWX and DWSX will more like be needed and used instead.</B></FONT>

YOU FAILED TO INCLUDE THE FACTORS.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 05:36 pm: Edit

FIXED, AFTER I FOUND THEM, ALL HAD BEEN MOVED OR DELETED, OTHERS WERE NOT REPORTED.
Verifying the fronts of previously published items:

2xPGB was previously published as 2PGB on sheet T+U.
See examples there at locations H14, H19, M13, M20.
Recommend correcting the designation by removing the ‘x’ from items on Zulu at E15, H13, J7, J8, M12. Rationale: consistency with precedent, also designation letters have meaning. This also provides ‘a little more’ space on the counter face.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 05:50 pm: Edit

Two bits of update...

Die cutter says they're getting busy and what would have been 21 days from emailing the counters to unloading the truck is now past 30. We should have gotten done earlier or not done this at all.

What should have been a 30 minute appointment killed the whole afternoon so the backside of ZULU is not ready by any means, and I have other schedules and have hit exhaustion anyway so it won't get done today. Which causes more and more delays. One day here will cost us three or four days, if not a week. if we run into the holidays, it will cost us a month.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 08:11 pm: Edit

DONE
Backside:
B3 Rom K5F is an FCR, as such it loses its escort symbol on the back side per (526.35). This will also be true when we get to the Rom Reb version in H20.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 05:20 am: Edit

MOSTLY DONE, SEE NOTES.

ZULU BACKSIDE

A19 LAV factor is 0-2 (missing dash).
A18 FHL remove "M" per SIT.
A12 FDX remove drone factor; add crippled X-scout diamond per SIT.
A3 GHT remove "T"; tugs lose capability when crippled.
A1 FFP Remove "U[G]" as these capabilities are lost when crippled.
B1 DNT remove "T"; tugs lose capability when crippled.
B3 K5F Remove escort box as FCR escort capabilities are lost when crippled.
B16 PTR factor is 0-1 (missing dash).
C20 MPF remove scout diamond per SIT
D11 TGC remove "T"; tugs lose capability when crippled.
D9 DDG remove "G" per SIT
NDC MPF remove scout diamond per SIT NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS
F17 PRD Was ADB going to put a FRD or PRD with 6 fighters on this backside THIS CONCEPT IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED FAVORABLY; SEE DISCUSSION I POSTED
F11 the standardized designation used elsewhere is "MMG" using the font from E12 DIP
F8 PV is a police ship with no crippled value; use large font "PV" instead.

General: Use large font at the following: A16, D19, E19, F19, F16

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 05:47 am: Edit

DONE, BUT I AM PRETTY SURE THERE WAS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE DATES BEING WRONG AS THERE ARE NO FIGHTERS AT THAT TIME.

I-1 SAC is duplicated at J-3; suggest replacement with SAV; the YIS is Y161 per SIT

I-20 CW suggest replacement with LAV; the YIS is Y161 per SIT.

Doing the above gives a COMPLETE SET of Y168 and earlier PURPLE Lyran Rebel ships and provides other civil war scenario possibilities.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 08:34 am: Edit

DONE

Backside: DDL, HCM, NDC, CCH, DCS all in row E have their uncrippled Attack and Defense factors.
FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME THE NUMBERS SO I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK THEM UP

Note: the DDG is also added to this list.

Crippled AF/DF + attrition
DDL: 3
DDG: 1-3
HCM: 4
CCH: 5
NDC: 1-4P(3)
DCS: 1-5P(3)

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 12:06 pm: Edit

DONE

Backside: MEGA fighter counter in D19 is a double sided counter and should have back factors of:
MEGA; +1 two empty circles; H-FTR

For reference the front is correct and it has:
MEGA; +2 two filled circles; FTR

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 02:56 pm: Edit

DONE

CRIPPLED NDC @ E-7: Crippled factors are 1-4P(3); remove scout diamond from crippled side.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 03:12 pm: Edit

DONE

FEDS: Staff is okay with ADB tossing the ORANGE Colony /C-Base counters @ E18/F18.

Suggested replacements in priority order are:

DWY: 2-6(pi)*/1-3(pi); see Kzinti version DWY on TANGO H-12
DWH: 5-6*(5H)/2-3(2.5H); see Kzinti version DWH on TANGO G-8

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A VERY GOOD REPORT. HE TOLD ME WHY TO REMOVE IT, WHAT TO ADD, AND WHERE TO COPY EXISTING COUNTERS THAT WOULD SAVE ME LOOKING THE NUMBERS UP ON THE SIT.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 03:56 pm: Edit

DONE

CRIPPLED ZULU REPORT

B3 Rom K5F: remove crippled FCR factors as these are lost when crippled.
H20 PINK K5F: remove crippled FCR factors as these are lost when crippled.

D4 ORANGE DWSX: Keep diamond; 6-9*/3-5*.
D5 ORANGE DWX: DATA MISSING 5, looked it up

K13/L13 IDX/IDD: Add crippled fighter triangle to both.
M14/15/16 SFF: Add crippled fighter triangle to both.
N18 JCL: : Add missing crippled fighter factor of (2).
TURNS OUT, ALL WERE THERE, JUST THE WRONG COLOR.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 06:10 pm: Edit

DONE:

both sides
Location D5: Z-reb DWX factors: front 9 / back 5
Location D4: Z-reb DWSX factors: front 6-9 scout diamond / back 3-5 scout diamond

Backside:
Location I11: L-reb DWT factors: 2-3 (no U is possible)
Location B3 Romulan K5F: report marked obsolete but posting still shows [3] spare fighters these should be removed.
Location H20 Rebel Roms K5F: report marked obsolete but posting still shows [3] spare fighters these should be removed.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 06:19 pm: Edit

DONE

Location F15 BTN: image is duplicate of PGB in E15 and should match other BTN images. See J14 or K15 for examples.

Location E7 NDC: designator at the top of this counter still has the scout diamond. The crippled side does not retain scout function please remove scout symbol.

Location E16 Convoy: this shows up on my view as CON letters top half are cut off. If you are not seeing this its my issue but its odd and i didnt want to be silent just in case.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 09:39 pm: Edit

DONE

FRONTSIDE ZULU REPORT:
Refencing posted image: Wednesday, November 05, 2025 - 11:49 am

Location A3 Rom GHT: Factors should be 6-7 T

Location A7-A10 & B7-B10: Reminder black background base and ship images still not showing up. If it's because they are in black linework great if they are missing add them please.

Location F6 Z-Reb NVH: Should be MVH medium carrier Y178, with front factors 7(8H). Image should be a CM not and NCA. The NVH does not exist on the Kzinti SIT.


BACKSIDE ZULU REPORT:
Refencing posted image: Thursday, November 06, 2025 - 04:05 pm

Location A3 Rom GHT: Factors should be 3-4

Location F6 Z-Reb NVH: Should be MVH with back factors 4(4H). The NVH does not exist on the Kzinti SIT.

Location K13 WYN IDX: Add missing 0.5 fighter factor triangle.
Location L13 WYN IDD: Add missing 0.5 fighter factor triangle.
Location M16 WYN SFF: Add missing 0.5 fighter factor triangle.
Location M15 WYN SFF: Add missing 0.5 fighter factor triangle.
Location M14 WYN SFF: Add missing 0.5 fighter factor triangle.

SUGGESTION for consideration:
STAFF idea about Crown Prince, Usurper, Count counters. Reverse the ADM (back) with their individual names (front) in order to hide who they are. Could create a rule to disguise them in the scenario. SVC THINKS THIS IS CLEVER.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, November 07, 2025 - 05:12 am: Edit

DONE

J15 PURPLE JGPV: remove crippled [1]; FCR factors are lost when crippled.