Ummm.. Do we really need all these DN variants? If anything, I'd like to see fewer SC2 hulls.

Given that this Nimitz-class carrier will be operating a long way from the main battle (too expensive to risk and no need to get close), and has virtually no firepower beyond range 2, I'd place its attack factor at a maximum of 1... Unless it has some drone racks as well that havn't been mentioned.

By Christopher E. Fant (Cfant) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 05:25 am: Edit

There are ADD racks on the SSD, but the Federation refits replaces all ADDs with G-racks.

The CVN would then have 2xP1, 4xPG and 4xG-racks. I would put the COMPOT at about 4 in that case, as it has plenty of power, but is lacking the 2xPhoton of the NAC. I think the NAC should really be rated at 6, thus I put the CVN at 4. 3 is possible, but with the HUGE expense, give em a break

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:35 am: Edit

Ship desperately needed by the Klingons:

D5F, anti-fighter cruiser

Is 6-7, and has the X-ship fighter attrition ability. YIS 172. Cost 5EP, counts as an Escort Build but not a qualified escort (has to have some drawback to be reasonable)

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Scott .... me thinks 5EP is too low for that ship. If it counts as an Escort Build, perhaps it should get surcharged as an Escort.


Garth L. Getgen

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 01:17 pm: Edit

Well the only thing it changes is 2 A/B Racks for ADD racks, not improved Aegis or anything.

It's effectively a "weapon variant" because the D5 already comes with Limited Aegis for the ADDs, it just doubles them.

I can't imagine the ADD's warrenting a 1EP surcharge.

It'd be like asking for the F5D to cost 1 extra EP

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 06:37 pm: Edit

If that's all the changes to make a D5F, I'm hard pressed to see how it should be treated an a X-ship for fighter attrition .... {shrug}


Garth L. Getgen

By Eric Stork (Merchant) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit

D5F will never get into the game. It is just like the Kzinti DWD, subsumed into existing ships. Also, it is a real ship, not conjectural.

By Chris Proper (Duke) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:55 pm: Edit

My pet ship that never was but could be:
Having seen a counter for the STL I'd like to see a mauler based on the Jag'd Panther.
Converted from a CL by installing a STJ central hull.
10+/5 subject to shock

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

what is SFT & STL guys. A little help here please

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Star Fleet Times and Starletter, old newsletters published back in the early 90s and often containing goofy, wierd, or impossible ships.

By Tim Losberg (Krager) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 08:46 pm: Edit

the STL Chris is talking about is the Saber Tooth Lion, Lyran DN Mauler [shiver] . New unit from AO

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:02 pm: Edit

Way back in the GEnie days, I submitted an idea to ADB for, and recently followed up with actual SSDs of, ISC "contingincy" ships. These are my famous, or infamous, Four-Barrel ISC ships. If said idea ever sees the light of day, I can see how they might work in F&E.

The background info on these ship is that a up-&-coming designer wanted to make a name for himself (and thus get promoted) came up with an idea for some designs that would take parts of badly damaged / nearly-but-not-quite destroyed ships to build new ships from the "pre-fab" parts. Since these could be built near the front, he reasoned, they'd get back out on the battle front faster. Sadly, the war planners didn't see it that way.

With these designs, the ISC can take two destroyed FFs (including varients) plus one EP to create a DD(c). With the same system, two DDs can make a CL(c); two CLs make a CA(c); two CAs to make a DN(c); and, of course, two DNs for a BB(c). However, the destruction of at least one of those ships must have generated "minus points", meaning that the ship was not truely destroyed but rather crippled to the point of combat ineffectiveness ... it was turned to a flying scrap heap. {Alternate idea: allow one crippled and one destroyed ship to be merged, but not two cripples ... they'd be repaired.)

This construction/conversion may be done at any plaent, base (including MB), FRD or even a Repair Tug ... anyplace that can repair ships. This facility will be the closest to the battle(s) where said ships could have retreated to had they simply been crippled and not destroyed. One ship of eaqual or larger size of the destroyed ship must retreat form the battle hex to this facility after the battle. While the two halves need not come form the same battle hex, they must be from the same turn. The facility simply isn't going to hang on to the hulk for six months or more waiting for the other half ... they'll scrap it.

The resulting ship will have an uncrippled Attack Value +1 better than the standard ship of its new class, but a Defense of 1 less. The crippled side will be the same as a standard ship. A DD(c) is 7-5/3, a CL(c) is 9-7/4, etc. The BB(c) is 26-22/12 with no fighters, and costs 3 EP. The CA(c) and larger are "Core" ships. Varients (ie, scouts, escorts, carriers) are not allowed. Also, contingincy ships can not be further upgraded to the next larger contingincy ship.


Garth L. Getgen

By Eric Stork (Merchant) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Garth, got a link to a SSD?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:01 pm: Edit

Eric,

No, sorry. Two reasons: first, I don't have a web page set up (tho my ISP does allow me to), and more importantly, I didn't post them becuase that tends to limits ADB's desire to publish them. Should Steve & Steve formally reject them, then I'll put them on the Web.

If nothing else, I'm hoping they'll publish my ISC Galactic Peacemaker Starship someday, even if that day turns out to be April Fools Day. At an estimated 475 BPV, that's one GPS you don't want to locate you.


Garth L. Getgen

By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:12 pm: Edit

Garth: There's a 4 pylon ISC CA counter on the "Special Counter sheet"... though no SSD yet.

All: here is a Starfleet Times SIT I mocked up over the last day or so. I'm sure there is plenty to dispute (and it isn't complete... I was working from SSDs only, so YIS is missing in many places), but at least it's a start. Some of the data presented here is straight off of other peoples posting, or in some cases, straight off of ADB's website.

Have fun!

⁴²

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:23 am: Edit

Well, I can only hope, then.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 09:26 am: Edit

One of the things I submitted was a "four-barrelled" ISC DN-based tug that would tote three pods around (it's #80-something on the List Of Player Submissions To Consume Steve's Time). The idea is based on a broken DN mini that Steve sent my way with a vague suggestion on reworking it into a DN-based tug. With all the headache that moving and home-ownership has turned out to be, I still haven't done the mini, but it's on my list of things to do next...

The rough justification that I cobbled together for the ship (other than to match the mini that may eventually be completed) was that, with the far-flung ISC pacification effort, such a unit would be very handy indeed for resupplying large fleets waaay over around Klingon/Kzinti/Lyran/Hydran space, not to mention deploying new base elements.

By Edward Reece (Edfactor) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 09:48 am: Edit

Of all those ships the only ones I can see a use for are the Fed CVN, Klink DV7, Rom DE, Kzinti TRI, Hydran DNH (Hey a DN with only 2 Hybrid fighter might not get DirDam).

By Michael H.Oliver (Mholiver) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:20 pm: Edit

Are we looking only from Star Fleet Times and Starletters.. Ok what about a Kingon Scout Escort Cruiser ( D5SE)...Counter Factor: 3-7 / 1-4. Command rating 6. Can be converted in Y176 from a D5 for 4EP, a D5S for 1EP; or a AD5 for 3EP. EW=3. Its a Escort and Scout roll into one ship...I got this ship of a wed site and I do used a lot of the Ships they listed Plus all Ships has SSD with them and Info like this one above for used in F&E ...I feel they are great ships myself.And they do have a lot of other listed

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

"Are we looking only from Star Fleet Times and Starletters?"

No. I opened this topic up for any ship (from ADB publications ... I don't think SVC would appreaciate third-party rip-offs posted here!!) that didn't get listed in F&E and isn't close enough to one that is listed to be subsumed into same.


Garth L. Getgen

By Philippe Le Bas (Phil) on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 02:59 am: Edit

Do you want to include the broad-gorns and hefty-gorns ?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 07:59 am: Edit

Sure, if they're not subsumed into the standard ships. Are their F&E stats different and/or is there something different about how their built??


Garth L. Getgen

By Philippe Le Bas (Phil) on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 08:54 am: Edit

They are on the website, here:

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/playtest/SFT_44_Heavy_Gorns.pdf

Factors for the hefty gorns are not listed, but SSD are shown.

Factors for the broad gorn are:
CAB Y175 CR10 13/? convert from BC for 5
CMB Y175 CR10 15/? convert from CM for 8
HDB Y175 CR9 10/5 convert from HD for 5 or sub for CM for 10
BBD Y175 CR6 8/4 convert from BDD for 3
BHF Y179 CR5 6/3 police variant

By Philippe Le Bas (Phil) on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 09:01 am: Edit

The CMB is a monster : 13 Ph-1, 2 Ph-3, 4 Pl-S, 2 Pl-F, shield 30/30/24/24

By Tony Barnes (Tonyb) on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 10:01 am: Edit

Note that this makes the CMB have higher factors than the DN, and a cheaper cost (16 for 15/8 vs 18 for 14/7).

I'd assume the BBD would be SC3 for BG purposes and the BHF SC4?

I'd looked at the SSDs some time ago, but I guess I'm a "real" F&E player now - the sheer power of these things didn't really sink in until I saw their factors