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From the posted page on 28 July 2026 I see a conflict with the posted page 'file as it stands' against line item updates done earlier in the week.

(712.115) WYN CLUSTER (JCL entry)
JCL: Last line place holder stating "It has special rules." should be replaced with specific rule cross reference "See rule (555.45)." - L. Bergen 15 APR 2026
SVC DID THIS

Looking for confirmation the line item was indeed processed.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, July 30, 2026 - 08:05 pm: Edit

I don’t understand the question. I said I did it.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Friday, July 31, 2026 - 03:55 pm: Edit

Sorry right you did say that you did as a comment added to the April thread (this is my reference above) but then several posts later posted the original issue so I was confused. If its done, great! And Thanks.

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, August 01, 2026 - 11:50 am: Edit

(554.223) Diplomats (DIP):...; After this 2nd to last line in the section; "A bordering empire cannot conduct any trade or sales with the WYN (449.0) unless they allow the WYN to post a diplomat in its capital." Add the following, 'This is assumed behind the scenes in scenarios where the WYN are not physically on the map.' RATIONALE: This cleans up an obvious question for those with a law degree in rules. L. Bergen 01 AUGUST 2026

(554.223) Diplomats (DIP):...; Add as a last line to the section; See (554.116) and (554.5) for additional information. RATIONALE: With the Question that was forwarded to staff by SVC, suggest adding these XRefs to the end of this section completing the loop of what happens in terms of trade. L. Bergen 01 AUGUST 2026

By Lawrence Bergen (Lar) on Saturday, August 01, 2026 - 11:53 am: Edit

If you all have questions or have noticed a typo we did not list above please post them here as we are running out of time. Emails are slower to process.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 04:13 pm: Edit

The staff want to add this rule at the last minute. Since none of you have ever seen it, none of you have ever had a chance to comment on it. I will give you that chance now. I am extremely reluctant to add a rule we don't really need without any kind of review, but here it is, I can always bounce it to CL55. Note that this exactly takes a page, and there is no way to add even a single line to it, if anyone finds a line that needs adding, this will bounce to CL55. If I wake up without a headache, this will bounce to CL55.

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(661.0) WYN IN OTHER SCENAIOS

Under ordinary circumstances, the WYN would never initiate military operations (outside of the War of Return). Similarly, the powers surrounding the WYN (i.e., the Klingons, Lyrans, and Kzinti) would not attack the WYN due to both military and economic considerations. Other empires would not attack the WYN due to the distances involved. Nevertheless, this optional rule may be used if all players agree to permit the WYN to take a more active role in a scenario or campaign, such as the grand campaign, e.g., beginning with (601.0) The Wind, in some other campaign or scenario, or in a free campaign. Understanding this may greatly upset the scenario's balance (a warning from SVC himself) players would do this at their own risk.

(661.1) LIMITATIONS ON WAR
(661.11) RELUCTANCE: Other than the War of Return (638.0), the WYN cannot initiate military action or leave the Cluster hex (other than to conduct trade or diplomacy). Therefore, the WYN go to war only if attacked. If the WYN Cluster is attacked and survives, the WYN player may declare war against the attacking empire or its allies, but is not required to do so. The sanctions of rule (554.5) covering the loss of trade rights, would apply to the attacking empire and their allies for a minimum of four years and potentially the rest of the scenario.

(661.12) DECLARING WAR:
(661.121): WHEN DECLARED: The WYN may declare war on any empire or faction that attacked the WYN. The WYN declaration of war is made after the last step of the Final Activity Actions (Phase 10) of the Sequence of Play of that turn.
(661.122) TARGET: If the WYN declare war, they must declare war at least on the empire(s) or faction(s) that invaded the Cluster. They may, but are not required to, declare war on the allies of the invaders. The WYN may not declare war on other faction(s), unless subsequently invaded by those other faction(s). The sanctions of rule (554.5) would apply to those additional invaders.

(661.13) THREE CHOICES: The WYN may choose to go to war on their own, or may decide to join a side already at war with the invader (661.132), or they could join a side already at war with the invader, in which case they would operate that alliance’s turn as a co-belligerent (see 661.133).
(661.131) LONE DECLARATION: If the WYN chose to stand alone, then the WYN becomes a new side in what is now at least a three-sided scenario. See (301.7) for multi-sided scenarios involving three or more sides. The WYN player’s turn is inserted immediately after the end of the turn of the side that invaded the WYN Cluster. The new sequence of player turns (including the inserted WYN player turn) will continue until the WYN are no longer at war or the scenario ends.
(661.132) JOINING AN ALLIANCE: If permitted by the other member(s) of a side already at war with the invader(s), the might WYN join that alliance. The WYN player’s turn is resolved as part of the turn of that side.
EXAMPLES: The Klingons (only) invade the Cluster, but are repulsed. The WYN declare war against the Klingons and against the Klingon's allies, the Lyrans. The WYN chooses to join the Alliance (i.e., the Kzinti, Hydran, Federation, and Gorn). The WYN actions now become part of the Alliance Phasing Turn. Alternatively, the WYN could choose to declare war only against the Klingons. The WYN choose to go it alone. In this alternative, the WYN Phasing Turn is inserted immediately after the Klingon Phasing Turn (or the Coalition Phasing Turn, if the Grand Campaign is being played), and before the Alliance turn.
(661.133) JOINING AS A CO-BELLIGERANT: For co-belligerent status, the WYN still take their turn as part of the turn of the side which they “joined” but may not enter the territory of opposing empires that did not attack the cluster and may not attack bases or base-like units of empires that did not attack the cluster. Co-belligerents may send ships to the WYN to be repaired under the Lyran / LDR procedures, but may not exit the cluster directly into a hex containing enemy forces of an empire that did not attack the WYN.

(661.14) CONDUCTING WAR: Once the WYN declare war, all WYN units are immediately released. The WYN may then conduct military operations normally. However, all rules pertaining to WYN supply and operational limitations (e.g., WYN-specific rules (554.0), WYN barrier movement (209.0), WYN ship types (555.0), etc.) still apply to the WYN. If the WYN join one or more allies, then allied ships may freely enter and exit the WYN Cluster, subject to the same supply and movement limitations to which the WYN are subjected.

(661.15) OTHER LIMITATIONS: If the WYN join a side, the WYN are subject to the same political limitations imposed on that side. Thus, for example, if the WYN joined the Klingons in an alliance after the Kzintis attacked the WYN, the WYN could not attack the Federation until at least Turn #7 of the Grand Campaign.

(661.2) DECLARING WAR ON THE WYN: Any side or faction may declare war on the WYN.
(661.21) DECLARATION: War is declared on the WYN by entering the Cluster in a non-permitted manner and refusing to accept immediate capture. Rule (554.0) then applies.
(662.22) COMBAT: Assuming war is declared under (661.21), a round of barrier combat takes place during a movement pause in operational movement, as per (332.2). During the subsequent combat phase, an assault on the Cluster takes place per (556.0).
(662.23) EXAMPLE: Thus, for example, the Kzinti player enters the WYN Cluster with a unit other than a valid unit for sale (449.2) or other than a unit delivering economic points for trade (449.13), and the Kzinti player also refuses to accept being interned by the WYN (503.1), (540.24). The Kzinti player's action declares war on the WYN.

(661.3) ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS:
(661.31) PEACETIME: The WYN are on a peacetime economy when not at war.
(661.32) LIMITED ECONOMIC ACTIONS: The WYN may not build or convert any units, other than as provided in the order of battle. It is assumed the WYN peacetime economy (including trade income) is consumed by building and maintaining their order of battle.
(661.33) DIPLOMATIC INCOME: The WYN may use diplomatic income to build new units or to refit existing units, notwithstanding (661.32).
(661.34) LACK OF RESILIENCE: For all the wealth enjoyed by the WYN, their need to maintain a strong fleet and the constant economic strain of maintaining overgunned units did not leave them with a resilient economy. The WYN enjoy a full wartime economy for only seven turns, rather than 15 turns under (652.31), beginning on the turn they declare war. The WYN economy is partially exhausted and multiplied by 0.75 over the course of the subsequent 5 turns, rather than 10 turns under (652.31). Thereafter the WYN economy is exhausted and multiplied by 0.5.
(661.35) RECOVERY: The WYN economy may recover from exhaustion in the same manner as any other empire.

END OF (661)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 04:34 pm: Edit

THIS IS A RULE THAT THE STAFF ASKED ME TO REWRITE, AS REWRITTEN

(554.223) Diplomats (DIP): The WYN starts all scenarios with three diplomats, one assigned to each capital of the three empires bordering the Cluster (Kzinti, Lyran, Klingon).
Each WYN diplomat produces one EP of “trade” income per turn for both empires per (540.23). However, the WYN did not allow any foreign diplomats into the Cluster out of fears that any intelligence gained from internally observing the small empire would be used against them. A bordering empire cannot conduct any trade or sales with the WYN (449.0) unless they allow the WYN to post a diplomat in its capital. This is assumed to happen behind the scenes in scenarios where the WYN are not physically on the map. Non-bordering empires are exempt from this requirement. See (554.116) and (554.5) for more information.

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 04:36 pm: Edit

661.0 Interesting idea.

If the WYN align with the Kzintis/Alliance, what would this do to the War of Return? How would the political dynamics change, odds are that the younger Kzintis will not be as gung ho to attack those they fought with, over something that happened before they were born. A smart Patriarch would allow proven young warriors to return with out penalties.

SVC: I WOULD JUST IGNORE THAT AND LET ANY PLAYER WHO FINISHED 35 TURNS FIGURE IT OUT FOR HIMSELF.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 04:38 pm: Edit

At this point there is nothing else for me to do, so far as I am aware. The plan is to wait a day or two for further comments then send the staff a new PDF and give them 24 hours to check the corrections. They will be FIRED if they raise any new issues. Then I can give the updated PDF to Jean who may or may not check it against the fixes list above. Jean is out all this week so hopefully she will review it and begin print copy sales next week.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 05:42 pm: Edit

As per the proposed rule (661) above:

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Historically, the WYNs were attacked by the Andromedans on an as-yet unspecified date, sometime after the ISC incursion of Spring Y187.

Later on, the WYNs agreed to send a force of "fish ships" to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud as part of Operation Unity. (One can assume the choice and number of ships they sent was based on a need to ensure that the three surrounding empires didn't use the Unity campaign as an opportunity to invade the Cluster themselves...)

Although, it's not yet clear whether or nor the WYNs were "at war" throughout the Andromedan War, or only formally joined the conflict - in either a "full" or Limited War capacity - in the immediate run-up to Unity itself.

The exact nature of how this was handled should of course wait for another module to be published.

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That said, there is an aspect of this which might be of relevance for a would-be WYN player in a grand or free campaign: the ability to choose whether or not to deploy an expeditionary force beyond the Cluster; and whether or not this requires a "full" declaration of war, or can perhaps be treated as a case of Limited War on the behalf of the WYNs.

To use a non-Andromedan-related example:

Say, if either the Coalition or the Alliance were to offer economic inducements (and logistical support) for a WYN "fish ship" task force to be sent to the Tholian-Seltorian front, in support of one side or the other. Perhaps akin to how the Kzintis and Gorns historically sent expeditionary forces to aid the Holdfast during the General War.

If one were to assume that neither the Tholians nor the Seltorians would be so obliging as to declare war on the WYNs beforehand, this might require the WYNs to initiate proceedings: either by a "full" declaration of war, or by invoking a Limited War status instead.

In the latter case, there might need to be some accounting for how the WYNs can enter such a status, as well as how the strategic movement needed by the contracting side to get the "fish ships" to and from the combat area can be handled.

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So, at the risk of triggering a "bounce" to Captain's Log #55, might it be possible to add some sort of mechanism to this proposed rule which might permit such an option?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 05:46 pm: Edit

DONE

Suggest edit to: (661.13) THREE CHOICES: The WYN may choose to go to war on their own, or may decide to join a side already at war with the invader (661.132), or they could join a side already at war with the invader, in which case they would operate that alliance’s turn as a co-belligerent (see 661.133).


Change to == (661.13) THREE CHOICES: The WYN may choose to go to war on their own (661.131), or may decide to join an alliance with a side already at war with the invader (661.132), or they could join as a co-belligerent with a side already at war with the invader (661.133).

In the original text, options two and three read almost the same, making it appear to be the same meaning. Given that 661.133 explains it in detail, it seemed redundant to include "in which case they would operate that alliance’s turn" in the opening paragraph. Finally, this was the only place where it stated "see 661.13x" ... everywhere else, it simply has the rule number without "see". Or you could take all three rule references out, given they're in the same paragraph.


Garth L. Getgen

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 07:19 pm: Edit

SVC,

I sent you and Al a new copy of the WYN and Sheet Zulu SITs. They are dated 3 Aug 2026.

RECEIVED. NOT SURE THOSE INCLUDED STEWART'S LAST REPORT OR IF IT NEEDED FIXING.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 07:22 pm: Edit

DONE TUESDAY

(661.0) - 'Scenarios' misspelled as 'SCENAIOS' …

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 08:22 pm: Edit

DONE TUESDAY
(661.132) - Change "the might WYN join that alliance." to "the WYN might join that alliance." Reason: Words 'WYN' and 'might' were in wrong order.

By Patrick Sledge (Decius) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 08:42 pm: Edit

DONE
(661.133) - Change 'BELLIGERANT' to 'BELLIGERENT'. Reason: Spelling.

(662.23) - Change (503.1) to (503.11). Reason: Updates reference to the specific internment rule.

(662.23) - Remove reference to (540.24). Reason: (540.242) says that ships interned by the WYN can't be released under (540.24) since the WYN confiscate the interned ship and add it to their navy.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, August 03, 2026 - 08:43 pm: Edit

DONE

(661.22) shown as (662.22) …
(661.23) shown as (662.23) …

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, August 04, 2026 - 12:28 am: Edit

Patrick, perhaps it was meant to say "the mighty WYN will join that alliance".

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Garth L. Getgen

By Greg Ernest (Gernest) on Tuesday, August 04, 2026 - 01:59 pm: Edit

Please don't put this in a Captain's Log. It seems too core to the product to have Civil Wars be sold without it.

By Mike Curtis (Fear) on Tuesday, August 04, 2026 - 03:12 pm: Edit

FEAR with what little authority he has votes to keep (661.0) in CW and not in CL.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 04, 2026 - 03:56 pm: Edit

DONE TO THIS POINT.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 04, 2026 - 04:58 pm: Edit

An updated copy was sent to the staff for LAST CHANCE final jeopardy corrections.