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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Proposed F&E Designations for WYN Ships

Ship DescriptionProposed F&E Designation
FISH SHIPS
Dreadnought (Grey Shark)DN
Dreadnought - Light (Fast Ship)DNL
Dreadnought - HeavyDNH
..
Heavy Battlecruiser (Tiger Shark)BCH
..
Heavy Cruiser (Carcharodon)CA
Heavy Cruiser - X TechCAX
Strike CarrierCVS
Division Control ShipDCS
Fast CruiserCF
..
Heavy War CruiserCHW
..
War Cruiser (Orca)CW
War Cruiser - EscortCWE
War Cruiser - Fast ShipCWF
War Cruiser - CommandoCWG
War Cruiser - LeaderCWL
War Cruiser - Mauler (Narwhal)CWM
War Cruiser - PFTCWP
War Cruiser - PFT X TechCWPX
War Cruiser - CarrierCWV
War Cruiser - X TechCWX
War Cruiser - Light Transport TugLTT *
..
Heavy War Destroyer (Thresher)HDW *
Heavy War Destroyer - X TechHWX *
..
War Destroyer (Mako)DW
War Destroyer - DroneDWD
War Destroyer - EscortDWE
War Destroyer - CommandoDWG
War Destroyer - PFTDWP
War Destroyer - ScoutDWS
War Destroyer - CarrierDWV
War Destroyer - X TechDWX
..
Frigate (Barracuda)FF
Frigate - FCRFCR *
Frigate - EscortFFE
Frigate - CommandoFFG
..
ORION PURCHASED SHIPS
Battle RaiderOBR
Battle Raider - FlagshipOBRF
..
Light CruiserOCR
Light Cruiser - FlagshipOCRF
Light Cruiser - X TechOCRX
..
Double RaiderODR
..
Light RaiderOLR
Light Raider - ScoutOLRS
Light Raider - X TechOLRX
.
WYN CONVERTED SHIPS
Lyran - Pocket BattleshipLPB
Lyran - Pocket BattlecruiserLPC
Lyran - DestroyerLDD
..
Kzinti - War DestroyerZDW
Kzinti - FrigateZFF
Kzinti - Drone FrigateZDF
Kzinti - Frigate - X TechZFX
..
Klingon - E4KE4
Klingon - G2KG2
..
Federation - Police CutterFPL
..
Romulan - SeaHawkRSH
..
Gorn - FrigateGFF
..
ISC - Destroyer - X TechIDX
..
Seltorian - DestroyerSDD
Seltorian - FrigateSFF
..
Jindarian - Light CruiserJCL
..
AUXILIARY SHIPS - WYN MODIFIED
Small Aux CombatantSUC
Small Aux Light ScoutSUS
Small Aux Commando ShipSUG
Small Aux Light CarrierSUV
Small Aux Advanced Cruiser XSUX
..
Large Aux Battle CruiserLUC
..
Jumbo Aux Battle CarrierJUV
Jumbo Aux Battle Control ShipJUB
..
Heavy Aux Dreadnought CombatantHUC
Heavy Aux Battle Control ShipHUB
..
AUXILIARY SHIPS - STANDARD
Small Aux Light CarrierSAV *
Small Aux PF TenderSAP *
Small Aux ScoutSAS *
..
Large Aux Heavy CarrierLAV *
Large Aux Space Control ShipASC *
Large Aux ScoutLAS *


* Established F&E Standard Class Designation

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 07:46 pm: Edit

NOTIONAL WYN OOB Y168F-Y186F
DRAFT v1

At Start of Y168F:
LDD, 3xZFF, 3xKG2, OCRF, 9xOLR, OLRS, 20xSUC, 5xSUS, 2xSUG, {3xSUM*}, 3xMON

*These units are for accounting purposes as minesweepers are not currently in F&E

PRODUCTION:

Y168F: 2xSUC, OLR

Y169S: 2xSUC; Add: ODR, ZFF
Y169F: 2xSUC, OLR; Add: OBR

Y170S: SUC, SUV; Add OCR
Y170F: SUC, SUV, OLR; Add: JWL?

Y171S: SUC, SUV
Y171F: 2xSUC, OLR

Y172S: 2xSUC
Y172F: 2xSUC, OLR

Y173S: LAV; Add KE4?
Y173F: LUC, OLR

Y174S: SUC; Add OBRF
Y174F: JUV, OLR

Y175S: FF; Add GFF
Y175F: HUC; Add OCR

Y176S: LUC; Add RSH
Y176F: FF, LUC

Y177S: FF, SUC; Add ZFF
Y177F: FF, JUV

Y178S: FF, LUC
Y178F: FFG, SAS

Y179S: FF, SUC, SAP
Y179F: FFG, 2xSAP

Y180S: FF, LAS; Add: OCR
Y180F: FF, LUC, DWP

Y181S: FF, SUC; Convert OBR/OBRF
Y181F: DW, FF, ASC; Add OBR, Convert LDD/LPB, Remove SUV

Y182S: CW, DWS, FF, LAS; Convert OCR/OCRX, OLR/OLRX
Y182F: CW, DWG, FFX, LUC; Convert OLR/OLRX

Y183S: LTT, DW, FF, SUX; Add ZDW, Convert HUC/HUB
Y183F: CW, DW, FF, JUB; Add ZFX, ZDF

Y184S: CA, CWV, DWE, FF, SUX, SUC
Y184F: CWP, DWD, FCR, LUC

Y185S: CWM(CA), CW, DWE, FF, SUX
Y185F: CWL, DWX, FF, JUB; Remove FFX

Y186S: CAX, CWL, DWX, FF, 2xSUC
Y186F: CW, DW, FFE, LUC; Convert CW/CHW

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 08:17 pm: Edit

War of Return - Y186F
Notional Usurper OOB
v1
49 Ships, 7 X-ships, TBD Auxiliaries

CA, 2xCWL, 5xCW, 4xDW, 18xFF
ZDW, 5xZFF, ZDF
CAX, 2xDWX, OCRX, 2xOLRX, ZFX
[CWV+DWE+DWE], FCR, MEGA
CWM, [CWP+FFE], DWP, DWS, DWD, 2xFFG, LTT
ADM, MMG, 3xPRIME, CPF, CPX, RESV, 2xCmdPts


Notes:
Will need to determine if Orions provided any external Aux support (APT, PTR, other)
The WYN CHW didn't participate in the WoR.

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 10:18 pm: Edit

R-Section request.

The HCW (!) was unique and it didn't leave the cluster for the Civil War. YIS=186

The DDP was unique also and the history is very murky if it participated in the Civil War. YIS=180

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 11:03 pm: Edit

Y174S add should be an OBR, not an OBRF. Per both R12.A3 (CL37) and the G# MSC, the OBRF is a unique unit that entered service in Y181, by conversion from an OBR. R12.A3 notes that an OBR (Aurora) was purchased in Y174.
-Jason E. Schaff - 01/12/2012

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 03:33 am: Edit

PS: Thanks for the r-section info.

WYN DWP: I can live with murky for this unit in the WoR as the Usurper OOB is too light on scout units and will be challenged enough to field three full attrition units as it is.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 04:16 am: Edit

Jason:

Fixed the OBR/OBRF error -- thanks.

ALL:

Just reread the CL37 article (pg 20) and found that "he (the Userper) took all of the Orion ships with him, except the Atonement (OCRF) and Aurora (OBRF)..." This means we'll need to add the following ships to the WoR Userper OOB based upon this information:

2xOBR, 2xOCR, ODR, 12xOLR, OLRS

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar2) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 08:45 pm: Edit

Hmmm, the Aurora is listed as an OBR in T8S2 with a delaying mission (vs MCV Starkiller) with an OCR and 2 OLR...

The Atonement is listed as an OCR in T8S1 (delay mission vs Kzinti FF squadron) with an OLR...

What year did the conversion happen?

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 11:13 pm: Edit

...standardization of aux hull designations, text/OOB visual recognition, and SIT organization simplicity...

Hull Size (S,L,J,H = Small/Large/Jumbo/Heavy)

Aux/User (A=All/U=WYN)

Mission type (A=Armed, B=BattleControl, C=Combatant, D=Drone, E=Escort, G=Ground-Troop, H=Heavy-Fighter, J=Jail/Penal, L=Logistics, M=Minesweeper, O=Oiler, P=PFT, Q=Q-Ship, R=Repair, S=Scout, V=Carrier, X=X-ship)

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 11:24 pm: Edit

Stew: The newer, more specific CL37 history trumps the older (pick a name) T8 ship names (must have been some other OCR/OBR......)

By Jason E. Schaff (Jschaff297061) on Saturday, January 14, 2012 - 07:53 am: Edit

Stewart:

R12.A3 (CL37) States that the BR Aurora was purchased from the WYN in Y174, and converted to an OFB in Y181. ZCL47 also specifies that a replacement for Aurora was acquired when she was converted: We might assume that it is this replacement hull that appears in T8S2.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Sunday, January 06, 2013 - 06:14 pm: Edit

WYN vs Andro data:

*SFB Module C3, (R12.1K). The Inter-Stellar Concordium's intrusion into the WYN Cluster prompts "many" (exact number as yet undefined) WYN-Orion ships serving in the Usurper's forces to quit their posts and return home to the Cluster. (This withdrawal prompted the Usurper to accept the Crown Prince's offer of a duel, which would lead to the events portrayed in (SH119.0).) "These ships arrived home only days prior to the one spectacular Andromedan attempt to invade the Cluster."

*Captain's Log #37, History of the WYN Navy article. The wreck of a Dominator left over from the Andromedan assault remained in WYN space, where it is towed from system to system as a war trophy.

*FC: War and Peace rulebook, page 18. A note in the Andromedan background section states that "one ship was captured partially intact" after the failed asault, which led to the first solid evidence that the invaders originated from Messier 31. The exact nature of this evidence has yet to be specified. Whether or not the Dominator wreck noted above is the same ship is also unconfirmed.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Sunday, January 06, 2013 - 07:54 pm: Edit

Andros vs. WYN;
Probably the only part from the LMC Module you need to be aware of, is they used a pair of Dominators with specially designed Energy Modules that filled the Hanger space, save for a single SatB that was intended to extend the RTN into the Core. Presumably the Super Energy Module was to small to survive transit into WYN space.

Pure speculation; part of the reason they were building the the Devestator BB may be to ensure that no one could hide in WYN space, assuming it could carry larger S-EMs combined with the larger number of PA Panels on the base ship.

By Charles Shevlin (Chass22) on Saturday, February 23, 2013 - 12:32 am: Edit

I would like to see the WYN kept in miner empires and a play test for them in CL47.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, February 23, 2013 - 06:34 am: Edit

I don't agree.

By Charles Shevlin (Chass22) on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 03:24 pm: Edit

You are the one in charge.

Vudar than for CL47.


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