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Even with replicators, you need money to pay the electricity bill to run them, and to buy replicator patterns (unless you download copyrighted patterns from a torrent website).

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:42 am: Edit

Rom Snipe and Skyhawk plans exist. Skyhawk was in PD ROmulans and I forget where the Snipe was but the only venue left is Captain's Log but I don't recall which issue.

I'd just like to get them without staples and on 11x17 sheets.

By Patrick H. Dillman (Patrick) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:55 am: Edit

Someweres I know I have the Caplog D7 in a pdf, I also have the FASA D7 deck plans and deck plans for the War Eagle from FASA. I've also picked up deck plans for the Fed DN, DD, and portions of the K7 base station. I even have the Klingon Gunboat Deck Plans that my local PD uses the U1L (had to modify that) to get around the Post GW SFU. I've also have the SM-Frt and the FT deck plans, but other then the WE I don't have any small navy deck plans and that is what my group seems to be clamoring for. I've peiced together a few sections for some sessions, but it will be nice to have a whole ship for those unforseen adventures.

It will be cool to have something a bit more manageble from a GM's perspective for a group that wants to do a Fed ship in the classic era. The Burke class should fit the bill.

Now how about then klingon Frigates?

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 02:53 pm: Edit

Good point about replicator patterns. The copyright violations of the 23rd century.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 04:23 pm: Edit

Well, 24th century, anyway. At which point (at least according to DS9), Federation citizen artists are not paid/compensated for their ideas or works - they just 'contribute to the greater good'.

23rd century replicators are still not producing object fine enough to count - at least, as of TOS (Middle Years), they seemed to still be just shapes/blocks of a given element (allowing for - one presumes - very primitive tools such as hammers or bulkhead replacements), or 'food' in the form of flavored cubes (presumably containing the correct mix of nutritional and vitamin elements...and food coloring )...but still just essentially a solidified slurry of molecules of a given type.

Not really 'protected IP', there.

According to the various series, of course. Not sure I ever got a good feel for how useful replicators in the SFU were...?

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 04:25 pm: Edit

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By Michael Bennett (Mike) on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 08:18 pm: Edit

Xander wrote:
"23rd century replicators are still not producing object fine enough to count - at least, as of TOS (Middle Years), they seemed to still be just shapes/blocks of a given element (allowing for - one presumes - very primitive tools such as hammers or bulkhead replacements), or 'food' in the form of flavored cubes (presumably containing the correct mix of nutritional and vitamin elements...and food coloring )...but still just essentially a solidified slurry of molecules of a given type."

Might they be green or yellow?

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 11:44 pm: Edit

Or even red or blue!

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Friday, August 20, 2010 - 12:21 am: Edit

Romulan Snipe is in CapLog #36.

By James Cain (Jcain) on Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 05:19 pm: Edit

What is the status of the Kortahn Monk colonies inside the Federation and the citizenship status of the Klingons that live in those colonies?

Are they proscribed planets, under the protection of the Prime Directive, under protective quarantine, friendly independent worlds, Federation colonies, or perhaps even co-located with ("pre-existing"?) Federation colonies? I suspect they are independent worlds, as they are documented to have knowledge of and interactions with non-Klingons including Kzinti and the settlers of Tafelland. As the Kortahn Order is also documented to have a few Klingons enter their coloies from mainstream Klingon society to join the order each year and vice versa, I suspect they are considered Klingon citizens.

(References Klingon D20 page 44 and Federation D20M pages 29-30, 100-101, and 135 [alternate spelling of Khortan or typo?])

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 05:50 pm: Edit

I don't know. There is probably a legal fiction here, since the Khortan/Kortan (that's due to the Klingons having four different "K" letters in their alphabet) monks don't leave their communes. I suspect that they are Klingon citizens living in independent colonies (the Federation would probably not recognize them as owning the entire planet). They're about as dangerous as a Buddhist monastery in San Francisco during WW2.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, September 19, 2010 - 07:50 pm: Edit

Hey all, I just wanted to point out to everyone that participated in the Orbital Defense discussion long ago where were all took on roles as National Guard officers on a PDU with Steve Petrick as GM and the opposition (Klingons). It was an informative and fun discussion where we all learned a lot.
Well, our colony is now official SFU. It was part of the Cassadra star system if you recall but the colony itself was called Nomea (named after the island in Earth Pacific ocean that served as a supply point in WWII). It is now listed on the map in PD Federation in hex 2209.

The write up didn't make print...yet, but it's official boys and girls.

Cheers!


BTW: I've been working through the book and it's really great. Great work John and all!

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 01:46 am: Edit

One thing I was wondering about, after looking over the pdf for GURPS Federation:

Looking at the range of Federation member systems, it looks like four of them can be mapped fairly easily onto the member governments explicitly portrayed in the old Technical Manual. Earth is present and accounted for; Vulcan is at 40 Eridani A; Andor is at Epsilon Indi; and Alpha Centauri has long been established as a member of note.

However, I didn't see an entry placing any Federation member world (or, indeed, of any kind of ininhabited world at all) in the fifth system noted in the source material, 61 Cygni.

That said, in our universe, it seems that all of the prior claims about exoplanet discoveries for that system have been debunked; maybe the same is true here?

If so, perhaps the Franz Joseph take on the "United Planets" was a misreading of the data tapes, and should have referred (for the purposes of the SFU) to the Rigel system instead?

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 01:24 pm: Edit

In the tech manual and canon trek, 61 Cygni is where the Tellarites live and is thus in the same FE hex as Earth. However, for some reason, in SFB the Tellarites ended up way over near Romulan territory.

Who made this decision or why it was made, i don't know...it was before I had anything to do with it. By the time I started the Feds project, it was too late to change it, so this part of SFB is not in accordance with regular Trek canon.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:17 pm: Edit

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By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:30 pm: Edit

If one wanted to still have a significant Tellarite presence in 61 Cygni, you could make it so that one or more of the major colonies in the system had been set up by Tellarite groups looking to take advantage of the various trade deals with the Federation core worlds.

Even if SFU version of 61 Cygni was not an important enough system to show up on the Federation and Empire map, it could still be notable for other reasons.

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:30 pm: Edit

Fair enough Xander. I always thought it was the Tellarites from 61 Cygni but maybe that was just an assumption on my part.

So..whose is at 61 Cygni? lol...dunno.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:46 pm: Edit

perhaps 61 Cygni was a 'failed' earth human colony settled prior to the invention of non tactical warp? Terra Nova by any other name...

just a thought.

Tasha Yar had to come from somewhere...

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 04:38 pm: Edit

hmmm...61 Cygni being "Terra Nova"...not a bad idea.

Although Tasha Yar came from "Turkana IV" if I recall correctly.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 05:53 pm: Edit

So Tasha was a young Turk?

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 06:42 pm: Edit

Ah, I see I misremembered it.

For some reason, I was thinking it was the same planet that Captain Archer and the Enterprise discovered in Season #5 of Enterprise. a failed coloy world... I hadnt realized that there were atleast two such worlds in Trek Canon.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 02:34 pm: Edit

Still, I like the Terra Nova idea. It's Latin, so you'd think it'd be a workable inclusion as a name, without specific story elements being referenced.

(Indeed, you'd basically have to ignore the episode in question...or we'll lose our tracks in this. With 52 colonists surviving, it wouldn't be much of a 'founding member' for the Federation. That, as a concept, is pretty much just digger shale.)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 03:35 pm: Edit

Sounds like a couple of pages you could write up for Jean's PD magazine (Fall 2013).

By Bill Barnes (Mojo_Billbo) on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 04:29 pm: Edit

And don't forget Xander, what you might have seen in other fiction does NOT match SFU....

What happened if Terra Nova was the first earth out of solar system colony... What if the Alpha Centarian and Eathers did a joint colony in year 1? (what an interesting power struggle that might be...) Lots of great story possibilities there. It is almost a blank slate.

It very well could be a thriving founding member of the federation in a few short years...

Or just ignore that possibility, and what if it's just another world of a few million HUMANS that were seeded thousands of years ago? 61 Cygni could be something like that...

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 12:58 am: Edit

One thing to bear in mind is that there was at least one attempt to found an extrasolar colony prior to Y1.

Accoridng to Module E2, a Terran colony caravan set out for a star system within eight parsecs of Sol, but in -Y12 was caught up in a spatial anomaly and placed deep in the Triangulum Galaxy. (They managed to find a suitable colony world two years later, and in Y14 they signed a Warp Pact with the Helgardian Protectorate; thus emerging as one of the many young realms to make their mark out in M33.)

While 61 Cygni might be too close to Sol to count as the likely target system for that "lost" expedition, it could well be that other pre-contact caravans set out from Earth in various directions; though it would be ironic if a warp-powered Earth ship managed to catch up with an exodus fleet before it arrived at its chosen destination...