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By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 01:55 pm: Edit

Artist is Miguel Regodón.

By Tony L Thomas (Scoutdad) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 02:06 pm: Edit

He does some nice work.
I hoep we see more from him in the future.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 03:29 pm: Edit

I am particularly interested in knowing if traveller fans will accept that as being a traveller format cover.

I wanted to shrink the word traveller and put the logos on either side, but Jean banished the logos to the back cover as no other traveller book has them.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 03:56 pm: Edit

Well, the dividers between the art and top and bottom sections could use a little more detail.

Looks like that artist has done other Traveller covers, for example this one. Stylistically pretty close, and I'm afraid I agree with Jean on the logos...to keep the look consistent with other Traveller products, they won't work on the front cover.

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Are there only stats for Romulans, Feds and Klingons? Should the grey line with the Empire symbols inside grey hexagons have more Empire symbols?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 04:47 pm: Edit

Nobody outside of SFU would know what any of them mean so I saw no point in cluttering the cover with the Kzinti, Gorn, Lyran, Hydran, and Tholian symbols.

The divider bars could in theory have more texture but very few traveller books have that feature and the point is to follow the format not invent a new one.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 05:23 pm: Edit


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Nobody outside of SFU would know what any of them mean so I saw no point in cluttering the cover with the Kzinti, Gorn, Lyran, Hydran, and Tholian symbols.




The Orion Pirates symbol might work to add. The "pirate symbol" they use would be fairly universally recognized as 'hey, those are pirates' - and most fans of Trek would know about the Orion Pirates' existence. (And, if not, even general Traveller players should recognize the value from an RPG-perspective of having pirates as a playable group...a LOT of folks don't go much in for the 'joining an organized military' in playing RPGs, but pirates/rogues/mercenaries/smugglers are a perennial favorite.)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 05:26 pm: Edit

It's a totally unnecessary stretch to include the Orion symbol. Klingons-Feds-Roms = the big three.

We just don't need to reach that far for excuses to add useless cluter.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 05:32 pm: Edit

I have to agree with SVC. Threes of things are good. Fours just look ... off somehow. Probably because odd numbers of things are easier to center. I don't want to go to five because then we start looking like a teen's starter bracelet of beads. :(

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 06:05 pm: Edit

Jean, do you think we could market SFU beads?

By Tony L Thomas (Scoutdad) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 06:19 pm: Edit

And we could add really tiny SFU ships as charms.

Can you imagine one of us giving our wives a Pandora bracelet with 3 Hydran Stingers hanging off of it to represent the three years she let us go to Origins to blow up Hydran ships?

Not that any of us would do that... :O

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 07:17 pm: Edit

I would buy SFU beads and charms, but I do have three daughters.

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Art reminds me of the PD20M cover in terms of composition, which ties it into the rest of the PD line. It's not traveller-y in colour; you look at traveller books, they are dark. The cover painting's palette is very dark on Traveller books. The cover painting here is bright, but on the other hand that's what Trek looks like. It's all bright and shiny primary colours. It seems to me that this cover is the best compromise you're going to get in terms of making it look Traveller while at the same time having it look Trek as well.

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 07:53 pm: Edit

For a little image composition trick, I would move the Romulan symbol to the left (over the Vulcan) and the Klingon symbol to the right (over the Andorian).

This would act as a subconcious signal to the reader of the Romulan/Vulcan connection.

By John Sickels (Johnsickels) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 07:56 pm: Edit

Also, having the Klingon symbol over the warrior species Andorian is symbolic too of the similarities those warlike species share.

Note that the switch I suggest would improve the psychological subtlety of the image...the Vulcan, looking up at the Romulan symbol, with the Federation CA in the background representing the values of Star Fleet and the Federation that make the Vulcans different than their Romulan cousins.

By Dal Downing - Rambler (3deez) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 09:38 pm: Edit

Show this to a couple of freinds of mine. One of them said and I quote. "I would say something about the Andorian just looking wrong but, based on the color of his shirt he is only going to be around about 5 more minutes anyway."

By Dal Downing - Rambler (3deez) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 09:50 pm: Edit

Ok took a good long look. Its just not my style of art but there is nothing wrong with it. Different Strokes for different folks and all that.

There are 2 minor nitpicks I have and I know they are probably just personal opinion. The Leader is the same rank as the science chic... um person. and that the Andorian's gloves are covering up his rank insigna.

By Matthew Potter (Neonpico) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 10:14 pm: Edit

Isn't the rank denoted by certain buttons at the collar? None of these people have such. I figured the rings at the cuffs were decorative.

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 10:42 pm: Edit

No, in TOS the rings at the cuffs denote rank.

Even if the human is the same rank as the science chick, he's a line officer (gold shirt) and she's probably a technical officer, so he'd be ranking. Or if they're both line officers, one or the other will have greater time in grade and outrank the other. So no problems there. The Andorian is a red shirt and probably not commissioned, so his rank is probably lower than the others'. Dunno why he's even wearing gloves at all though, maybe he has carpal tunnel syndrome or something?

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 11:56 pm: Edit

The part in the Vulcan's hair bugs me to no end. Sorry, but it just looks odd to me.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 08:58 am: Edit

Garth, back when I had bangs, my hair divided like that. :)

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 12:39 pm: Edit

Matthew Potter;
Collar pips are Next Gen, the cuff markings are ToS. SFB's license only covers ToS.

By Jean Sexton (Jsexton) on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 02:15 pm: Edit

SVC asked: "Jean, do you think we could market SFU beads?"

Absolutely! We could market them heavily. A better question would be "Will enough people buy them?" We have two people who replied yes, and one may assume for every person who asks/replies that there are 10 more interested.

Therefore, we have 20 sales. :) I'm thinking we should do dice before beads or charms. Maybe Kickstarter them?

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 02:37 pm: Edit

Dice, hmmmm, dice! Cardboard, lead and dice! These ARE my favorite things.

By James Kerr (Limeydragon) on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 03:21 pm: Edit

Dice, I would love some SFU D6's...

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