A Hydran Stinger fighter is illustrated on page 20 of Module C1. It looks like the outline on the SSD sheets, more or less.

Romulan G-II, G-IIE, and G-SF are on page 58 of Module J.

By William J. Beasley (Agrícola) on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 01:37 am: Edit

@Gary: Thanks, I'll dig that out. Much appreciated.

By William J. Beasley (Agrícola) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 04:14 am: Edit

@Gary: I dug out my page 20 of C1, and while it has the SSD outlines on it, no Stinger graphic. *shrug* I did find a picture of them on the front of MPA, though, and I'm going to try to go from that.

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 04:26 pm: Edit

William, look on page 20 of the C1 rulebook, not the SSD book.

By William J. Beasley (Agrícola) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 03:36 am: Edit

Right, I was looking at the rulebook, and page 20 is in the R section. It has the little SSD drawings of the Hydran Fighters. Of course, I think it's a '91 version, so maybe that's the problem?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 04:10 am: Edit

I can verify that that is indeed the exact problem (having both in my possesion).

[edit] You can buy the C1 rulebook separately on the cart for a song. I purchased both C1 and C2 new versions because there was extensive changes made to those books. So, you would be updating your R section (and rules for those races) and you'd get the pic you've been looking for (as a bonus!).

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit

According to Z10.7 on page 40 of my copy of C1, I've got the revised edition from 1994. So you have an excuse to upgrade!

Still, the drawing in C1'1994 is far, far better.

By William J. Beasley (Agrícola) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 02:35 am: Edit

Ok, thanks, I think I will indeed buy it. Looking through my list of R-Sections and such, I seem to also be missing the R6 stuff (but have the SSD book, oddly enough), so I might place an order for that as well.

I've been rearranging my R sections based on Rx.x number, and it's been an interesting process. The only two modules that don't seem to fit exactly right are the first J module and the K module, as they have listings for them in other products saying "Rx.x ShipX is in Module J". Still, it's nice to be organized, and it keeps me busy at work, heh.

Thanks again, Gary.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 12:46 pm: Edit

Need one volunteer. Must be active player of GURPS-Traveller who uses the deck plans with minis or cardboard heroes. Will send you pdfs of G1 gunboat deck plans and ask for your comments. Will need report by Sunday noon. Email me.

By Henry J Cobb (Hcobb) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 10:57 pm: Edit

Hi Steve.

Will the G1 deck plans include a translation of the ship stats into a strict GURPS Traveller design so that people who play GURPS Traveller rather than GPD will be able to use it as a standard Traveller ship?

Completely tongue so deep in cheek you'll choke translation of GT races to GPD empires. ;-)

Terran == Federation
Aslan == Kzinti
Zhodani == Romulan
Hiver == Hydran
Droyne == Tholian
K'kree == Gorn
Vargr == Lyran
Vilani == Klingon

-HJC

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:40 am: Edit

Henry: The G1 has Space-3 data now. If you want to generate the megatraveler data for me, I'll be happy to include it.

By George Boyett (Gboyett) on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Speaking of Stats. I just picked up the G1 plans, and it said Traveller stats exist on the website.

Where are the stats?

Thanks.

By Matthew J. Francois (Francois42) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Was a concensus ever reached as to how "big" a Cargo Box was? How many cubic meters of "stuff" a single SSD Cargo Box can hold. Or do they fluctuate from ship to ship?

-Francois
http://www.primedirectiveonline.com

By Nick G. Blank (Nickgb) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 05:59 pm: Edit

I made a guess based on one cargo box on the SSD means the deck plan needs to hold 50 1 space drones, crated. You can see drone size on some artwork like the Module J cover and pictures of scatter pack shuttles. I don't remember what it was, but if you look at the free trader deck plans you could work it out, guestimate the cargo volume and check the SSD for cargo boxes and you would be close. Each different ship may vary a bit though, nontheless.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:12 pm: Edit

Also, one cargo box can hold two shuttle craft (one if flight-ready) ... shuttles are roughly 4 x 8 meters ... so my guess (note: MY guess, not validated by SVC) is one cargo box is no less than 8x8 meters and no more than 10x10 meters, between 2.5 and 4 meters in height.


Garth L. Getgen

By Randy O. Green (Hollywood750) on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:58 pm: Edit

What's the next ship yall are planning deck plans for? Would love to see an Orion LR.....

By Gary Plana (Garyplana) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:26 am: Edit

Good question.

The next sourcebook after ROMULANS is probably going to be FELINE EMPIRES with the Kzinti and Lyrans and LDR and Carnivons and WYN, oh my.

(Maybe including the Peladine, too -- I don't know if a decision has been made on them, either way. Personally, I'd like to include them.)

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:57 am: Edit

I could have sworn we were doing GURPS FEDERATION next, but hey, I'm just the guy who does the press releases.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:57 am: Edit

The next ship is the SkyHawk in GURPS Romulans.

By Nick G. Blank (Nickgb) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit

I am working on a Klingon F5 for Prime Beta, but as that product isn't happening it may end up somewhere else.

An Orion LR would be fun though.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 09:15 pm: Edit

Garth has one of those started.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 11:55 am: Edit

I was asked a question this morning regarding traveller deck plans and I don't know the answer. Perhaps some of you have a viewpoint.

It was noted that the Free Trader (published in a very small scale in GPD3e) is a handy ship for an adventure group. It can be run by as few as six people and can carry over a hundred. It has the full range of starship abilities (tractors, transporters, labs, phasers).

The individual who asked the question thought we should take the deck plans from GPD and print them in a larger scale for use in gaming.

The problem is that the ship is 50x68 meters. Printed in the "normal" GT scale, it would be nearly six feet long and over four feet wide for each of three decks. Retail price would be over $50 and nobody has enough room to set the thing up.

The individual in question thought that if printed in a smaller scale (each hex would be 3/8 of an inch) it would be "just barely playable, sort of" and would have the advantage of being the biggest ship for which deck plans had ever been published. This would fit on ten 11x17 sheets (four for the top and bottom decks, two for the mid deck, maybe two more for the variant arrangements of the cargo hold).

GT players would never have seen such a thing, and I'm not sure (not convinced) that it would be something they would be happy with on two grounds: the ship is bigger than they need and the hexes are too small for anything other than "point of reference" work.

If done "for mail order only" then using the really big laser engine we have, we could print it ourselves and wouldn't care how may we sold, but the market would be very limited. If done for sale in stores we'd have to sink over a thousand bucks into it to print the cover and pay the artist to do the crew art. I don't know that we'd make a thousand bucks in sales.

My first instinct is to say "pity it won't work" and just move on but if somebody else has a viewpoint I would be honored to hear it.

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 12:11 pm: Edit

Well could you just print it on 8.5x11 paper with a referance # in the corner for a grid with the level # included, so it would be: Level, Row, Column (ie 1A1, 1B2, 2C3)

You'd lay it out like 'dungeon tiles', but it would be the ship-layout. Lay down the ones you need, pick them up when done with that section, add more when going into another section.

"6 feet long, 4 feet wide," that would be ~12*6=72 pages, 3 levels=216, 108 double sided 8.5x11 pages(bottom deck on the reverse of top deck's floorplan). OK, a 108 page product is too many, could you scale it down by XX%, so it could possibly fit on 80 pages?

By Andy Palmer (Andypalmer) on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 01:02 pm: Edit

6' by 4' is not a big deal. Every RPG I have ever played involved setting up a hex or grid map that size to indicate the dungeon/city/ship/etc. that we were moving/fighting in. Get beyond those dimensions and you begin to have some problems.

By Jeff Johnson (Jeffro) on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

Azhanti High Lightning is a pretty huge deckplan-- and it even came with with lotsa scenarios and a faster playing combat system for large free for alls.

Images of the decplans are available here:

http://www.farfuture.net/ffe/n4005.html

Surely some parts of the deck plan repeat. You might be able (perhaps) to make a set of generic geomorphic deckplan sheets that can arranged to make dozens of starships and their variants. (That's the way that AHL crammed so much ship into one box.)