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Kang
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: WYN AuxBC Options Reply with quote

Anyone know why the WYN AuxBC can't have Gatlings in its option mounts? Or, well, just one, at any rate?

I seem to remember several SFB tourney wins by someone who had his AuxBox armed with one....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those wins were in CL 36, but they were (as you said) for SFB, not FC...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "why" is pretty easy: The WYN use technology available to the Lyrans, Kzinti, and Klingons. That means disruptors, drones, and ESGs (and Ph-1/2/3). Ph-G (and photons and plasmas) are not commonly available to those three empires, so they are not available for common use.

Now, I do suppose that such weapons can always be specified in scenario-specific special rules, or by player agreement, but the above is why Ph-G are not general available to the WYN.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WYN can use ESG's in FC?! If it's true t's awsome!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Wyn ships I have in FC (AuxBC, CA, CW and DW) I can't see any option mounts which specifically allow ESGs - the AuxBC can have Disruptors, Ph-1s or Drones and the others are limited to Ph-1s or Drones. Of course, it could make sense that ESGs would be available to the Wyn because of their geographical location and historical origin, so I doubt it would be a problem to use these, player agreement permitting. Similarly, you could try out Ph-Gs on the AuxBC (maybe limiting to one per ship) and say that they have copied them from a defecting LDR ship or some such.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had asked the same question in a different topic, and teh respone I got was any weapons of the three races around them.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ESG was not included because there were no rules at the time for "two space" weapons. After Orion Attack, I imagine the rules could be "retrofitted".

As for the Ph-G, I still maintain that it is a very, very rare weapon. As such, it can only be used when specified by a specific scenario rule or with the consent of the opposing player.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the Ph-G would be a very rare weapon so that'd be fair enough - I had meant you could use them only with consent from your opponent, and that doing this would not be too far-fetched from a theoretical point of view.

Does Orion Attack have "two-space" option mount rules then? I'd wondered if these would be formalised as an official option for Fed Comm. Thus far, we've just had it as a sort of unofficial "player agreement" thing for mounting larger plasma torpedoes (that is to say G or S) in an Orion ship.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davec_24 wrote:

Does Orion Attack have "two-space" option mount rules then? I'd wondered if these would be formalised as an official option for Fed Comm. Thus far, we've just had it as a sort of unofficial "player agreement" thing for mounting larger plasma torpedoes (that is to say G or S) in an Orion ship.

Yes - if an Orion Pirate ship mounts a Plasma-S, then the adjacent WEAP box must be empty.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume that the PPD is considered a two-space weapon in FC, also?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does that also apply to Pl-G, or can that be fitted in a single option mount? If I remember right, in SFB there was a limit on which hull sizes could carry an S-torp - is this still the case in FC?
Also, ESGs are only a "single-space" weapon, aren't they? It mentions the ESG as an option in the "Optional Weapons" section (5L1) in the Revision 4 rulebook, but doesn't say they need two spaces, so I presume they are a "single-space" weapon.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is certainly limited to certain ships...

Yes, the PPD will be a 2-space weapon...

I do not recall if the Plasma-G is a 2-spacer or not... I'll check on that this evening.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pl-S and ESG are two box weapons. The PPD will be.

The Pl-G, on the other hand, is, uh, ... and open issue. The rules right now say that the Pl-G is one space, but that is different than SFB and could change (for various reasons).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may play devils edvocate on the pl-g/s issue:

if the G goes to a 2 space solution, no one will ever use it. The S does everything the G does and more.

If the G stays as a single option mount, then people might take it, but they still might take the F too. Why? Because the F can also be a carronade, as well as zero holding energy.

So doing the math, it seems like the G should stay as a single option mount if it will ever be used at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, if the Pl-G is two spaces, no one will ever use it. That is true.

If a Pl-G is one space, I can't see it NOT being used in a plasma arrangement. You will only be able to mount one per ship (smaller than a BCH, anyway). So, your choice would be 3xPl-F or 1xPl-G and 2xPl-F. Given that, it becomes a no-brainer to take the Pl-G,.

While I completely agree that the Pl-F has the advantages of Carronade and zero hold cost. However, the Pl-G gives longer range and the ability of a two-turn Pl-F bolt or torpedo. As the singular changeup, I believe it would be taken frequently when plasma loads are selected.
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