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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: WYN AuxBC Options |
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Anyone know why the WYN AuxBC can't have Gatlings in its option mounts? Or, well, just one, at any rate?
I seem to remember several SFB tourney wins by someone who had his AuxBox armed with one.... _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 1862 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Those wins were in CL 36, but they were (as you said) for SFB, not FC... |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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The "why" is pretty easy: The WYN use technology available to the Lyrans, Kzinti, and Klingons. That means disruptors, drones, and ESGs (and Ph-1/2/3). Ph-G (and photons and plasmas) are not commonly available to those three empires, so they are not available for common use.
Now, I do suppose that such weapons can always be specified in scenario-specific special rules, or by player agreement, but the above is why Ph-G are not general available to the WYN. _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 1862 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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WYN can use ESG's in FC?! If it's true t's awsome! |
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Davec_24 Commander
Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 596 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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From the Wyn ships I have in FC (AuxBC, CA, CW and DW) I can't see any option mounts which specifically allow ESGs - the AuxBC can have Disruptors, Ph-1s or Drones and the others are limited to Ph-1s or Drones. Of course, it could make sense that ESGs would be available to the Wyn because of their geographical location and historical origin, so I doubt it would be a problem to use these, player agreement permitting. Similarly, you could try out Ph-Gs on the AuxBC (maybe limiting to one per ship) and say that they have copied them from a defecting LDR ship or some such. |
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asguard101 Lieutenant SG
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 170 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I had asked the same question in a different topic, and teh respone I got was any weapons of the three races around them. |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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The ESG was not included because there were no rules at the time for "two space" weapons. After Orion Attack, I imagine the rules could be "retrofitted".
As for the Ph-G, I still maintain that it is a very, very rare weapon. As such, it can only be used when specified by a specific scenario rule or with the consent of the opposing player. _________________
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Davec_24 Commander
Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 596 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose the Ph-G would be a very rare weapon so that'd be fair enough - I had meant you could use them only with consent from your opponent, and that doing this would not be too far-fetched from a theoretical point of view.
Does Orion Attack have "two-space" option mount rules then? I'd wondered if these would be formalised as an official option for Fed Comm. Thus far, we've just had it as a sort of unofficial "player agreement" thing for mounting larger plasma torpedoes (that is to say G or S) in an Orion ship. |
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Scoutdad Commodore
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 4754 Location: Middle Tennessee
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Davec_24 wrote: |
Does Orion Attack have "two-space" option mount rules then? I'd wondered if these would be formalised as an official option for Fed Comm. Thus far, we've just had it as a sort of unofficial "player agreement" thing for mounting larger plasma torpedoes (that is to say G or S) in an Orion ship. |
Yes - if an Orion Pirate ship mounts a Plasma-S, then the adjacent WEAP box must be empty. _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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Nerroth Fleet Captain
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Davec_24 Commander
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Does that also apply to Pl-G, or can that be fitted in a single option mount? If I remember right, in SFB there was a limit on which hull sizes could carry an S-torp - is this still the case in FC?
Also, ESGs are only a "single-space" weapon, aren't they? It mentions the ESG as an option in the "Optional Weapons" section (5L1) in the Revision 4 rulebook, but doesn't say they need two spaces, so I presume they are a "single-space" weapon. |
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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It is certainly limited to certain ships...
Yes, the PPD will be a 2-space weapon...
I do not recall if the Plasma-G is a 2-spacer or not... I'll check on that this evening. _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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The Pl-S and ESG are two box weapons. The PPD will be.
The Pl-G, on the other hand, is, uh, ... and open issue. The rules right now say that the Pl-G is one space, but that is different than SFB and could change (for various reasons). _________________
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pneumonic81 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 275 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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If I may play devils edvocate on the pl-g/s issue:
if the G goes to a 2 space solution, no one will ever use it. The S does everything the G does and more.
If the G stays as a single option mount, then people might take it, but they still might take the F too. Why? Because the F can also be a carronade, as well as zero holding energy.
So doing the math, it seems like the G should stay as a single option mount if it will ever be used at all. _________________ http://www.rickknox3d.com |
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, if the Pl-G is two spaces, no one will ever use it. That is true.
If a Pl-G is one space, I can't see it NOT being used in a plasma arrangement. You will only be able to mount one per ship (smaller than a BCH, anyway). So, your choice would be 3xPl-F or 1xPl-G and 2xPl-F. Given that, it becomes a no-brainer to take the Pl-G,.
While I completely agree that the Pl-F has the advantages of Carronade and zero hold cost. However, the Pl-G gives longer range and the ability of a two-turn Pl-F bolt or torpedo. As the singular changeup, I believe it would be taken frequently when plasma loads are selected. _________________
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