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Savedfromwhat Commander
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: Are there any...? |
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3 or more Plasma G armed ships? I love the 2 turn F rule and would like to get a bit more bang for my buck i have noticed a couple of Plasma armed ships without plasma F's but are then any all Plasma G ships out there (looking for something BC to CA sized or smaller of course ) this is probably a question to all you SFB veterans out there. Anyone else got a strange "are there any?" question this would probably be the place to ask. Thanks in advance oh Guru's of the SFU.
PS- And If there is one can i have it for my birthday SVC (preferably gorn and with a ribbon on it). |
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OGOPTIMUS Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: |
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I asked this a while back. Most of the plasma G ships are pre General War. By that time they had mostly been upgraded to plasma Ss.
Though, I would imagine that there will be a lot more of the plasma G armed ships in Briefing #2: Middle Years. So you might get your wish anyway. _________________ O.G. OPTIMUS
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: |
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The Pl-G is considered a "sub-standard" weapon. The reason is because it is upgradable to a Pl-S. So, any cruiser (or bigger) ship that had a Pl-G had it upgraded to a Pl-S. The only ships that use Pl-G are frigates and destroyers that are not allowed to use Pl-S, and so they max out at Pl-G.
The one exception to this "Pl-G aversion" are the Orions. Orions have a large incentive to use a Pl-G over a Pl-S. I doubt any Orion would ever use Pl-S, but if they use plasma, the chance of them using Pl-G is high.
The comment about Briefing #2 is because its setting is before the Pl-S was invented. Therefore, there are many ships that use the Pl-G. However, the only ship I can think of that uses more than two is the Gorn Dreadnought, which will have four. _________________
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Kang Fleet Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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You can still do the 2-turn F with 3 plas-S's. I was just wondering why it had to be a plas-G you down-loaded. Points value cost, perhaps? _________________
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Savedfromwhat Commander
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Kang wrote: | You can still do the 2-turn F with 3 plas-S's. I was just wondering why it had to be a plas-G you down-loaded. Points value cost, perhaps? |
i have never seen a ship with more then 3 plasma S's and I have seen ships without plasma F's entirely and only G's (Romulan old type something or other) It just seems that the plasma S is a more expensive weapon when it comes to BPV. Oh well thanks for the replies everyone |
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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There are two ships I can think of that have three Pl-S: Gorn BCH and Romulan SPJ (though the SPJ has firing restrictions on those Pl-S).
Now, you larger point is likely valid, in that a hypothetical ship could theoretically use Pl-G instead of Pl-S and increase the number carried as a result. However, that would set up the situation where a huge number of people would start insisting that the Pl-G be upgraded into Pl-S, rather than simply leaving them as Pl-G. So, because of the history of the game, and how the weapons' "in-game" history has been written, it would be exceptionally difficult to get the type of ship you are looking for. _________________
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Savedfromwhat Commander
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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makes sense MJ thanks for the reply, bedsides 4 two turn F's would probably be a bit too much for me too handle anyway . |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Another are there any question. Are there any Romulan Vessels without a cloaking device? It says almost all Romulan Ships have it in the rules but are there any that don't. Just curious. |
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Carthaginian Lieutenant SG
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USS Enterprise wrote: | Another are there any question. Are there any Romulan Vessels without a cloaking device? It says almost all Romulan Ships have it in the rules but are there any that don't. Just curious. |
The Snipe-P (police ship) did not have a cloak, IIRC... but it's an SFB ship. |
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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USS Enterprise wrote: | Another are there any question. Are there any Romulan Vessels without a cloaking device? It says almost all Romulan Ships have it in the rules but are there any that don't. Just curious. |
Romulan auxiliaries (SAC, armed freighters, Q-ships) and civilian ships do not have cloaking devices.
And, as mentioned, the Snipe-P does not have a cloak. To make a Snipe-P, take the Snipe from Romulan Attack, delete both Pl-F and both Ph-3s (in fleet scale, delete the Ph-3, one Pl-F, and make the other Pl-F FA). This produces the "pre-refit" Snipe. Take off the cloak, and you get the Snipe-P.
Or, just take the Snipe that is included in Briefing #2 and remove the cloak. That is a Snipe-P. _________________
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Kang Fleet Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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mjwest wrote: | Or, just take the Snipe that is included in Briefing #2 and remove the cloak. That is a Snipe-P. |
Target practice. In any time frame _________________
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Pinkfluffychicken Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | just take the Snipe that is included in Briefing #2 and remove the cloak. That is a Snipe-P. |
Is that a Snipped Snipe?
ok, I'll go now... _________________ Famous last words #11: "That's a very big fleet!" |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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A joke I presume? |
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jeffery smith Lieutenant SG
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: are there any ? |
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oh yeah and what a joke it was _________________ fun fun fun in the sun sun sun |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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