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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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One thing to remeber: when with a G - launcher, only fire F's. The G - torp itself is wimpy. |
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djdood Commodore
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Unless... the situation dictates those few extra damage points are worth it. Every situation is different (and you did pay the higher point-cost for that bigger launcher, even if it is kinda sucky). _________________
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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What if you have Briefing #2 and are playing a Middle Years sceanrio and only have G-Torps (S's aren't available yet)? Do you still launch them as F's, or do you launch them as G's? _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I just got briefing two in the mail today . I will still use F's from G launchers. |
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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PC: Before you state that as an unalterable fact, take a word from someone with SFB experience flying these unfitted ships.
Some of Middle Years will require a paradigm shift in thinking. What you knew as simple, unalterable truth... may no longer be. Many of the ships in Middle Years have significantly weaker shielding and weapons suites. Where a F-torp from a G-Launcher in Fed Comm may have been nearly a given (and based ontactical circumstances - I have launched many a G-Torp and been thrilled with the result), there will be many times in MY when the G-torp will punch through a shield that the F-torp may not have and the weaker, defensive weapons suite may not be able to compensate.
"In war, the only certainty is that everything is un-certain!" _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 376 Location: Vulcan
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is that F's can be fired quicker. However, true it is G-torps may be used, but using a 2 turn F just seems more common to me. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: |
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If the energy difference was the only difference, I probably would opt for G. But, as USS Enterprise said, the quicker firing time on the F is much more convineient.
I see your point in that G can be useful in certain situations (especially bolting) but in most cases F is da' Man! |
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Again, maybe yes - maybe no. The G has some tactical flexibilities that need to be consideredbefore automatically deciding they are useless. As stated in severla threads... one must carefully consider all of the tactical ramifications of one's actions in order to maximize the possibility of victory. This means not automatically discounting a weapon because you are familiar with it or don't like it.
Have you ever fired a probe as a weapon? A lot of players haven't and it's almost always the last act of a desperate player - but I've had my probes take out enemies ships before for a win.
Yes, it takes an unlikely set of circumstances (and not ones you would willing set-up!), but if I'd discounted the probe entirely before the game even began - that wouldn't have been an option. _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have fired probes as weapons. I see what your saying though. I guess G can be useful in certain situations. |
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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Not got my rulebook handy - can you bolt a two-turn 'F'? I know it's a rule question, but the thought occurred in this thread.... _________________
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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(4J2d) PLASMA-F, SPECIAL CASES:
Two-turn F: If a larger torpedo tube (G, S, or R) has received the first two turns of arming energy, it could, during the the second arming turn, launch a Plasma-F. This costs two additional points of energy at the time of launch and uses all of the energy already in the tube.
So no! During the Offensive Fire Phase of the second arming turn, it is just a Plasma G, S, or R on the second turn of arming and since it's not completed armed - it's ineligble for bolting. It doesn't become a two-turn "F" until the launch phase of the second turn when the decision to launch a "two-turn F" is made and the two additional points of energy is added. _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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Kang Fleet Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. That kinda makes sense. I guess also that the key word is 'launch' - which is not what you do with a bolt.
Thanks Tony. _________________
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry to say you are wrong Scoutdad, It says under bolts that the torpedo must be completely armed, and that a two turn F can be fired as a Plasma bolt. That kinda overrides any hint such as the word Launch to me. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
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djdood Commodore
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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[deleted by author, due to erroneous statement on two-turn F bolting] _________________
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Scoutdad Commodore
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it does. And until the launch phase of the second turn of arming... the torpedo is simply a G, S, or R torpedo that is 2/3's armed.
Based on the SOP, the launch phase comes after the fire phase _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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