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terryoc Captain
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Because it's difficult to perfectly balance one ship against another. It's taken years to get the SFB tourney ships balanced, and there's still discussions on how to get some of them "right".
If you have three or four ships, the imbalances get ironed out. While 1 apple is not equal to one orange, points are points, so 450 points of apples == 450 points of oranges.
Also, and possibly more importantly, it makes the FC tournament distinct from the SFB tournament format. FC is not SFB-Lite, it's a different game system and it's optimised for those sorts of multi-ship fights. _________________ "Captain" Terry O'Carroll, fourteen papers published including six best of issue
"Man, Terry, you are like a loophole seeking missle!" - Mike West
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 376 Location: Vulcan
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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So you can have 2 Fed Battlecruisers? _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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mjwest Commodore
Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 4075 Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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USS Enterprise wrote: | So you can have 2 Fed Battlecruisers? |
No.
I admit it is fairly confusing, but the breakdown is like this:
Heavy Battlecruisers:
Fed BC/BCG/BCF/BCJ, Klingon C7, Kzinti BCH, Lyran Hellcat, Hydran Overlord, Gorn BCH, Orion BCH.
Battlecruisers that are not "Heavy":
Klingon D7/D6, Kzinti BC, Lyran Wildcat, Gorn BC, Orion BC. _________________
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djdood Commodore
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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For those who don't know (and don't have 20 years of SFB behind them), some of the empires never called their "heavy cruisers" heavy cruisers. They called them "battlecruisers". This is one of those idiosyncrasies inherited from the classic tv-show.
When the other empires that did call theirs "heavy cruisers" went on to build bigger, scarier cruisers, they called theirs battlecruisers (which is in-keeping with naval parlance). _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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And the Feds don't call their BCH a BCH, but a BC...
And is this a legal squad? I think it would work well, but since I'll won't be there I might as well share it:
FEDERATION:
Plasma DN
Plasma BC
Free Trader
It hits 450 right on the dial. If the enemy comes close, no prob (Photons and Plasma). If the enemy sabre dances, the only ship they can defeat in ten turns would be the Free Trader. |
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Scoutdad Commodore
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 4754 Location: Middle Tennessee
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a legal force to me:
3 ships...
1 Empire...
No more than 1 DN...
No more than 1 BC...
Between 425 and 450 points, inclusive...
Not too sure I'd want to fly it, but my preference has always been for one large unit, 2 mediums, and a small... _________________ Commander, Battlegroup Murfreesboro
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terryoc Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Is a free trader considered to be part of any empire, though? I'll ask Mike West. _________________ "Captain" Terry O'Carroll, fourteen papers published including six best of issue
"Man, Terry, you are like a loophole seeking missle!" - Mike West
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djdood Commodore
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's a "general" ship, so I'd assume it would be legal for anyone to take. The APT ought to be the same. _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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I decided on FT over APT because the free trader can tickle an enemy, while the APT can only spit at it. |
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mjwest Commodore
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:37 am Post subject: |
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pinecone wrote: | And is this a legal squad? I think it would work well, but since I'll won't be there I might as well share it:
FEDERATION:
Plasma DN
Plasma BC
Free Trader |
Seeing this caused me to go ahead and get a ruling on this.
As it turns out, this is not a legal squadron. General ships may not be used in the tournament, either as part of a specific empire's forces, or as an "empire" unto themselves. _________________
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: |
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So how about if I lost the FT? |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Only 2 Vessels. Don't think that's legal. Not positive. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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pinecone Fleet Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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On the other thread I wrote my new force:
DNF
DW
POL
POL |
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