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Hydrans vs Fed - Important lessons learned
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terryoc
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Hydrans usually lost


Not so. The Hydrans lost strategically vs the Klingons and Lyrans because the Coalition had either superior technology (as in the first time they lost the Kingdom) or were outnumbered and made strategic blunders (the second time).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad the poor Hydrans don't share a border with any allies Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

strangely enough, the hydrans didn't have superior tech?
when i play as any other race and battle the hydrans, i always lost...
(which is still not historically correct)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's correct in your history, since it happened ---
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you get too close, the Hydrans can easily defeat you (which is not historically correct as the Hydrans usually lost)


It is historically accurate - historically when hydrans got close they often won. There is a big difference between losing wars and losing battles. One can win one whilst losing the other.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

storeylf wrote:
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if you get too close, the Hydrans can easily defeat you (which is not historically correct as the Hydrans usually lost)


It is historically accurate - historically when hydrans got close they often won. There is a big difference between losing wars and losing battles. One can win one whilst losing the other.

Life for a Hydran fusion (or even hybrid) fleet gets dangerous when you have a Klingon fleet crushing a cruiser a turn at long range with really not much ability to do much damage in return.

OTOH, attacking objectives (BATS, SB, etc) with a Fusion fleet is a costly proposition but one that the Hydrans are likely to win.

I think that plays pretty well with how I view the Hydrans: suicidal little buggers willing to take heavy losses to try and get the Klingons and Lyrans off their land.

The problem is, there just weren't enough Hydrans to succeed taking heavy losses in every battle (win or lose).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok... i get your point.
regardless, the hydrans should be able to defeat their enemies if they used proper strategy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless their opponents also used proper strategy as well.

Paper should always beat rock unless my opponent... CHOOSES SCISSORS

In which case I will choose rock unless my opponent decides to... CHOOSE PAPER

In which case I will choose scissors because I am nobodies fool...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever Play Mony Python Rock Paper Scissors?

Sergeant: "Rock..paper...scissors...shoot!"
[Sergeant holds up scissors, soldiers hold up rocks]
Sergeant: "Now... scissors beat everything, right?"
Soldier: "Not rocks sir."
Sergeant: "They're a very good pair of scissors."

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kirbykibble wrote:
ok... i get your point.
regardless, the hydrans should be able to defeat their enemies if they used proper strategy


In FC, sometimes you just draw a bad matchup.

Fpr example I recently duelled a Hydran Tartar in a Lyran CW and sent him off the map with significant damage without taking internals.

A Lyran is a VERY DIFFICULT single-ship matchup for a hellbore Hydran. And while my opponent made a minor mistake at the beginning because he didn't understand the ESG/Hellbore interaction which gave me a slight initial advantage--even if he had played perfectly it would have still been quite difficult for him to win.
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