Federation Commander

[mjwest]

junior is correct.

Some clarifications:

- As junior points out, nothing else in the Evasive Maneuvers rules change. So you still have the two impulse delay before you can stop EM.

- The only time you may "declare" Evasive Maneuvers during Energy Allocation is when continuing them. If continuing, there is no break in the "action", so you are fully protected (and restricted) on Impulse #1.

- You pay the energy at declaration.

- Both ships may fire without restriction in the direct fire phase between declaration and EM taking effect.
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[jmt]

Should've waited before posting that question.
Thanks, Mike.
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[OGREAI]

[Vladimyr]

Was it ever mentioned why the continuation of EM during energy allocation counts as "starting" EM for the purposes of cancelling EM later?

Many's the time I have been witness to ships being evasive for over 8 impulses and the optimum time for dropping EM occurs on impulse 1 or 2.

Anyone know the reason why one cannot cancel EM during the first two impulses of a turn after energy allocation? (Assuming of course that you have already been evasive for the minimum 2 impulses prior to that point.)

[junior]

[Vladimyr]

To quote Briefing #1:

(2D4d) Spending power to continue Evasive Maneuvers over the turn break counts as an "Announcement" for the purposes of Termination. Consequently, if Evasive Maneuvers are continued over a turn break, they may not be terminated until Impulse #3.

According to how I read this, you can't.

[mjwest]

Vladimir is correct, even if continuing EM over the start of a turn, it is counted as "starting" again, and therefore cannot be canceled in Impulse 1 or 2.

Quite frankly, I don't have a great explanation for that ruling. (I had originally ruled along the lines of junior's comment, but that was overruled.) It is just the way it works.
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[storeylf]

[mjwest]

[OGREAI]

[Mike]

edited out

[mjwest]

The rules on continuing EM into another turn has not changed in any way. It is still the same as it was last week.
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[OGREAI]

Mjwest,

If your reply was directed towards me, Yes I understand that continuing EM into another turn is not a change. Sorry if my prior post seemed like I was shocked.

Mike,

Considering your example, I think there is a mistake. According to the rule update in Communique #32:

(2D4a) Evasive maneuvering takes effect at the
end of the subsequent Direct Fire Phase, in effect giving
the enemy “one last shot” without a penalty. - Underline is my emphasis

First, this should be reworded as FC has no "Direct Fire Phase" we have an Offensive Fire Phase.

Second, I think you might have misread that Mike, effecting your example.

Here is my example (to illustrate my understanding of the current state of EM)

Turn X, Impulse #1 - Player A declares and pays for Evasivew Maneuvers at the end of the Defensive Fire Phase. Player A can fire during the Offensive Fire Phase and be fired upon normally. At the end of Offensive Fire Phase (the subsequent Direct Fire phase mentioned in 2D4a) Evasive Maneuvers take effect. Player A CAN NOT use Transporters or Tractors during the Other Phase as he is now under Evasive maneuvers. Player A CAN NOT launch seeking weapons during the Launch Phase as he is now under Evasive maneuvers.

Turn X, Impulse #2 - Player A is under the effects of Evasive Maneuvers for the entire Impulse.

Turn X, Impulse #3 - Player A is under the effects of Evasive Maneuvers for the entire Impulse.

Turn X, Impulse #4 - Player A can (rule 2D4d) during the Speed Change Phase terminate Evasive Maneuvers as this is the FIRST Speed Change Phase after two complete Impulses have passed. Player A choses to terminate Evasive Maneuvers. All Evasive Maneuver effect are terminated immeadiately. Player A maneuvers with a normal turn mode throughout the following 4 Sub-Pulses. Player A has no effects of Evasive Maneuvers during Defensive Fire, Offensive Fire, Other or Launch Phases.

Player A can no longer use Evasive Maneuvers for the rest of Turn X

The above actions cost Player A six times his ship's Move Cost.

Now if Player A had started that a little later:

Turn X, Impulse #8 - Player A declares and pays for Evasivew Maneuvers at the end of the Defensive Fire Phase. Player A can fire during the Offensive Fire Phase and be fired upon normally. At the end of Offensive Fire Phase (the subsequent Direct Fire phase mentioned in 2D4a) Evasive Maneuvers take effect. Player A CAN NOT use Transporters or Tractors during the Other Phase as he is now under Evasive maneuvers. Player A CAN NOT launch seeking weapons during the Launch Phase as he is now under Evasive maneuvers.

Turn X, End of Turn Phase - per (2D4d) Termination: Evasive Manuevers terminate for Player A

Turn Y, Energy Allocation Phase - per (2D4d) Termination: Evasive Maneuvers do not continue into the next turn (unless power is spent in Energy Allocation Phase of that turn, which counts as the one time you can adopt Evasive Maneuvers for that turn). Player A decides to "continue" Evasive Maneuvers and pays the power for it. The two impulse clock resets to zero and starts.

Turn Y, Impulse #1 - Player A is under the effects of Evasive Maneuvers for the entire Impulse.

Turn Y, Impulse #2 - Player A is under the effects of Evasive Maneuvers for the entire Impulse.

Turn Y, Impulse #3 - Player A can (rule 2D4d) during the Speed Change Phase terminate Evasive Maneuvers as this is the FIRST Speed Change Phase after two complete Impulses have passed. Player A choses to terminate Evasive Maneuvers. All Evasive Maneuver effect are terminated immeadiately. Player A maneuvers with a normal turnmode throughout the following 4 Sub-Pulses. Player A has no effects of Evasive Maneuvers during Defensive Fire, Offensive Fire, Other or Luanch Phases.

Player A can no longer use Evasive Maneuvers for the rest of Turn Y

The above actions means that Player A paid six times his ship's Move Cost twice (Turn X, Impulse #8 and Turn Y Energy Allocation Phase) for the following effect:

No Evasive Maneuvering effects in Turn X, Impulse #8 except the restrictions on the Other and Launch Phases.

Evasive Maneuvering effects cover all of Turn Y, Impulses #1 & 2

This is the only method of using the effects of Evasive Maneuvering that would effect Offensive Fire during Impulse #1 of any turn.

If any of that is in error, please correct me and my understanding of Evasive Maneuvering as it currently stands. I am sorry to be this long winded, but I wished to be crystal clear and avoid any ambiguity in meaning by shortening my words.

Thanks,

OGRE AI

[jmt]

OgreAI, thanks for the detailed presentation.
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[Kang]