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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DNordeen wrote:
I just noticed that the FF in fleet scale lost all its Ph-1s. With the "half as many" theory, shouldn't it have 1 Ph-1 and 1 Ph-3 both 360? Instead of losing both Ph-1s and keeping the Ph-3s (LS/RS). Does that strike anyone else as strange?


Indeed, I found that very weird. Most fleet scale ships if doubled would be better than the squadron scale versions. (fed police ship still gets a photon AND an Drone, cheers Very Happy (Were not playing the Alarika Convoy in fleet Scale again)) This one is worse in point value even if you double it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scenario we used as the basis for our 3x Klingon F5s vs. 3x Kzinti FFs was Race Against Time in CL #36.

We had originally planned on a 5 player game, but another player showed up just as we were getting ready to begin. We switched from the Kzinti BC and FF setup to the 3x FF option.

We use enlarged SFB maps, so we did not have the "standard" asteroid maps that come in the FedCom products. I have no idea how the asteroid hexes are arranged on those. We just picked 25 asteroid counters from my SFB set and put them spread out in about a 6 hex wide band running from the top to the bottom of the map and through the middle. They were 1 or 2 hexes apart, sometimes 3 apart. There were a couple of places where they were adjacent. I tried being as random as I could, while retaining some amount of equality between the top half of the map and the bottom half.

We will definitely do that scenario again. The asteroid containing the research team didn't show up until the end of Turn 2. Had it been revealed at the end of Turn 1, things would definitely have gone differently.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pinecone, the Fleet scale ships are half the squadron not the other way around. If ships didn't keep their single box items, they would be pretty worthless (Pl-R on WE, drone on Fed ships, ADD on Klingons, etc.)

So yes, doubling the Fleet scale ships would make them better than the Squadron scale, but that's an argument using a false premise.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I said. And the WE doesn't have an R, but an S
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry misunderstood that, and I was referring to the PL-R on the Squadron scale WE. Sorry for the confusion on that one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's okay, it wasn't a bother.

Oh, and by the way, what ship were you going to use as the klingon light cruiser?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The D6 usually fills the CL role for the Klingons.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking mabey the D5, which is a war cruiser (almost the same thing as an NCL).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the D5 was equivalent to the NCA?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the D5W matches up with the NCA. In both cases, the ship is the result of attaching a new, smaller, warp engine to the war cruiser hull and adding a few additional systems.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it basically goes like this as far as matchups, though some give an advantage to either side:
POL-E4 (debateable)
FFG-F5 (debateable)
FFB- Question
DW-F5W (debateable)
DD-F5W
Cl-D6 (debateable)
NCL-D5
NCD-D5D
LTT- Question
CS- Question
GSC- Question
CA-D6 (debateable) or D7
CC-D7C
NCA-D5W
NCC- Question
CF-D7F
NCF- Question
BCP-C7
BCG-C7
BCF-C7
DNL-C5
DN- Question
DNG-C8
DNF-C8
DNH-C10
BB-B10
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't quibble with your matchups, but the DD has been matched up with both the F5 and the D6. It fits uncomfortably between both.

The CL is usually matched up against the D6, but the CL is probably too weak for that fight.

FFB-F6
LTT-D5H
CS-see CL37
GSC-D7E
CA-D7
NCC-DWL
NCF-FDW
DN-C6
DN+-C9

BTW, it is NCD, not NDC; CF, not FC; DNL, not LDN; DNH, not HDN.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll fix that, thanks.

One time I played fleet scale raid on ruyverk and destroyed Both Klingon ship with very minor damage to mine. He made a bad mistake in manuvering though........

I haven't seen some of the ships you listed though, unless they have yet to come out...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the ships are in SFB and haven't made it to FC. You could buy the R modules for SFB and use the ships though. Just ignore the extra stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DNordeen wrote:
Most of the ships are in SFB and haven't made it to FC. You could buy the R modules for SFB and use the ships though. Just ignore the extra stuff.


Actually, there is an article in the forthcoming CL37 that covers exactly how to do that. (Use an SFB SSD in FC.)
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