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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJolley wrote:
pinecone wrote:
Well, the carronade always hits.


Not necessarily. If your opponant is on evasive, the carronade will miss on a 5 or 6.


Really? Well the feds could put a stop to that with drones.

I do like the idea of scenarios in the rev. 5 booklet, but wouldn't that litterally just make it a briefing book?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
It may well be that ADB would consider another product for Federation Commander that would not include ship cards, counters, or maps. It could be the Rev. 5 rulebook. It could perhaps even include some new scenarios...


I would be stunned if the Rev5 rulebook included any scenarios, new or old. IMO the Rev5 rulebook will be just that: the rulebook.

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It will be addressed in Rev 5 of the rules whenever it gets put out. The wording is a hold-over from SFB..it is assumed that you know th history of the Carronade. Only the Feds, Gorns and Orions can use the Carrondes


Again, this was addressed in the rules update in Briefing #1 and posted on this website.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats the proceedure for getting the new rev 5 book
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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whats the proceedure for getting the new rev 5 book


Wait for it to be made would be the first step.

As I have stated twice before, it doesn't yet exist. The latest version of the rules is the Klingon Border Rev4 rulebook plus the Briefing #1 rules update, or the Romulan Border rulebook plus the Briefing #1 rules update.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJolley wrote:
Not necessarily. If your opponant is on evasive, the carronade will miss on a 5 or 6.


Right, but if your opponent is on evasive, would you carronade or torp them normally? I know what *I'd* do. But you are right, that is about the only time it'd miss and for doing that, they *deserve* to miss.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Knight wrote:
Right, but if your opponent is on evasive, would you carronade or torp them normally?


If they are going speed 24, I'd carronade without hesitation, as a launched torp at a speed 24 target is usually a waste of energy, unless all you are trying to do is to influence their movement or run them into a corner and out of energy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, missed this earlier ...

TJolley wrote:
Not necessarily. If your opponant is on evasive, the carronade will miss on a 5 or 6.


No, that is not correct. (4A4) says, in part, for "the plasma carronade, move one column to the left ..." As long as you are firing with at least 3 points of power, the carronade will never miss.

So, let's take the example of a maxed out carronade. Normally, if you roll 1-4, you do 8 points of damage, and if you roll 5-6, you do 7 points of damage. If you roll above a six, you use the same basic procedure as a phaser, but in reverse. With a +2 shift, it comes out as this:
Roll - Damage
1-2 - 8
3-4 - 7
5 - 6
6 - 5

Carronades are great for smacking terminal EMers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike West:

That explanation doesn't make sense to me. Rule (4A4) specifically says, "For the plasma carronade, move one column to the left (and anything “left of 1” is a miss)." That's all it says about carronades in regard to evasive maneuvers.

So, if the energy in the tube is maxed out (column 5) and the target is going evasive, shouldn't the results all be from column 4? The rule says that for carronades, we simply move 1 column to the left and nothing else.

Results for maxed out carronade:
Die.....Result
1-4........7 hits
5-6........6 hits
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike,

The (4A4) procedure for plasma carronades is supposed to work exactly like the phaser procedure, except that when shifting columns you move left rather than right.

If it is unclear, it is unclear. But that is the intention.

The whole point of carronades is that it is supposed to be highly resistant to modification and the effects of (4A4).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, now I understand the effect of EM on carronades. It might have been more helpful if (4A4) had mentioned the effect on carronades right after how EM affects phasers. Instead, carronades are mentioned after the hit or miss weapons. Something to the effect:
"Carronades are treated like phasers, except you should move to the left on the carronade chart instead of to the right as you do with phasers (and anything "left of 1" is a miss).

Perhaps in the Rev. 5 rulebook...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, I missed that too. We played carronades wrong in the Tournament this past weekend as a result.

I would be willing to pay every 6 months for a fully updated version of the Fed Comm rule book done up like the SFB rule book. All the rules for a particular system all together, fully numbered, and cross referenced.

I'm not really a fan of the "European style" rulebook when it comes down to finding a particular rule.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love a newly revised rulebook.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJolley wrote:
I'm not really a fan of the "European style" rulebook when it comes down to finding a particular rule.


I'm curious......what do you mean when you say "European style" rulebook?
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