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markgeorgetwo
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: the organization of the federation third fleet Reply with quote

After looking at a article in the forum about the listing of the ships of the sixth fleet for the day of the eagle.
I wonder is there one for the federation fleet the third fleet that was on the klingon border. has t have already followed the list for the ships on the romulan border the feds Wink and for the romulans.

This i think would be a good idea for a future product in any game system involving useing miniatures say one for each race,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe try and find the most recent OOB for the Federation in Autumn(Fall) Y171, as detailed in Fed and Empire.


There's a version of it here, but while I'm fairly sure the Fed entry covers Autumn Y171, I'm not 100 percent sure...

...oh, and I think (though I can't quite recall off of the top of my head) that in the event of a Klingon invasion, the 4th (Kzinti border) Fleet may be activated, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be the best available data.

The F&E guys do update that document every few months.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: post subject Reply with quote

Thanks lads that will help just one question in the frist scenario of klingon attack the mighty hood goes down i see for the third fleet no listing for a battle cruiser also in the ship names but there is one for the heavy cruiser.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hood was a CA, not a BC - as also noted in the scenario Return of the Hood, when it (or rather, its saucer section) made one last dash for the history books...


...oh, that reminds me - I wonder what happened to the Hood's saucer when it made it back? Was it scrapped, or patched up and stuck onto a new secondary hull, or shown off as a giant museum piece, or did something else happen instead?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like any other Boom or Saucer in SFB during the General War, it was probably cleaned up, tuned up, had a brand new Secondary Hull Slapped under it and sent back out. (After all there were older and more abused CAs still in service. Look at the Reshadije and the Republic let alone any of the Gaurd Ship.) When the Hood Returned if the Federation could have mounted Secondary Hulls to Galvinized Wash Tubs they would have. Wink

Also Mark2 in the SFU Time line Federation Battle Cruisers did not come out till six or seven years after the Mighty Hood Went Down. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that the Hood's saucer was repaired and mated with a new secondary hull. Can't quote a source though.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the confusion is because in real life the Hood was referred to as a battlecruiser, whereas in the Starfleet Universe she's 'merely' a heavy cruiser.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: post subject Reply with quote

Now you see how i got confused thats why in my third fleet listing that
is only a draft i have the hood has part of it has well has the excalibur, the lexington, and the potemkin Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok sat down and pawed through all the Book I have and this is roughly what I think 3rd Fleet Looked like on Day One of the General War. I have a few I had to plug a name in for and a couple I could not figure a name for. I also listed all the Police Ships I cam accrose on Day one as well.

People look it over and tell me if I goofed some place. ( I know there was a fair bit of gussing used here.)

3RD FLEET KLINGON BORDER ON DAY ONE

1 DN KONKORDIUM – NCC2106 DN SL71(Y175)
2 DNL STAR COUGAR SH204
3 CC KONGO – NCC1710 CC SL60(Y162)
4 CVB NELSON – NCC1953 CL9 CLASS HISTORY
5 DE COLLINGWOOD – NCC567 DE SHIP NAME REGISTRY
6 FFE HARDY – NCC338 FFE SHIP NAME REGISTRY
7 CVS YAMAMOTO – NCC1952 CL9 CLASS HISTORY
8 DE NAGUMO – NCC566 DE SHIP NAME REGISTRY
9 FFE TAKAGI – NCC304 FFE SHIP NAME REGISTRY
10 CF WOLVERINE(NCC1603)
11 CA HOOD – NCC1707 SH129(Y163) (171)
12 CA YORKTOWN – NCC1704 SH36(Y166)
13 CA SARATOGA – NCC1724 SL118(Y167)
17 NCL KEARSARGE – NCC1500 SH135(Y170)
18 NCL ALABAMA – NCC1503 SH68(Y171)
19 NCL RENOWN – NCC1504 SH181(171)
14 CL HOKKAIDO - NCC918 CL
15 CL TANGANYIKA – NCC929 CL
16 CL PATAGONIA – NCC931 CL
20 DD KUBLAI – NCC507 DDL SH65(Y165)
21 DD SUVAROV – NCC535 DDG SL71(Y175)
22 DD POMPEY – NCC506 DD SH68(Y171)
23 SC YURI GAGARIN SC
24 FF JOHN PAUL JONES – NCC333
25 FF SENYAVIN – NCC347 FF
26 FF YI SUN SIN – NCC318 FFL
27 FF JELLICORE – NCC306 FFG SH70(174)
28 FF SUFFREN - NCC346 FFG SL118(Y167)
29 FF DE GAULLE – NCC311 FFG SL118(Y167)
30 FF DONITZ - NCC-331 FFG ???
31 FF USHAKOV - NCC325 FFG SL71(Y175)
32 FF ZHADANOV - NCC321 FF SL71(Y175), SH68(Y171)
33 FFS HILLARY -NCC391 FFS SH70(174)
34 TG SWIFT-TURTLE – NCC3803 SH135(Y170)
35 CMC OKINAWA – NCC938
36 SAV OSTRICH SL70(170)
37 FXP ???
38 FHL ???

POL INVESTIGATOR (SL211 STORY)
POL PEACEMAKER SL117(171)
POL PEACEOFFICER SL117(171)
POL TEXAS RANGER SH68(Y171)
POL MOUNTIE SH68(Y171)
POL GENDARME SH68(Y171)
QSHIP STARDUSTER SL117(171)

7TH FLEET THOLIAN BORDER
1 CC EXCAILUR SL1(Y168)
2 CA RAMILLES SL148(Y166)
3 CA HORNET SH179(Y169)
4 CA
5 DD ARES SN10(Y168)
6 DD SHAITAN SL139(Y168)
7 DD CHARLEMAGNE SL118(Y167)
8 SC BOWIE SL21(Y165)
9 FF
10 FF
11 FF
12 CFF KRIPNEY SH178(167)

??? CC BON HOMME RICHARD CL33 FICTION
??? CC LAFAYETTE SL118(Y167)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: post subject Reply with quote

Thx my friend that is very helpful
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice list, thanks for that! One "goof" at a glance (serious nit-pick!): FF 306 USS Jellico is spelt "Jellicore" in your list. That's all I could come up with on a first read-through. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't played SFC:OP or gone over my SFB/F&E materials in quite awhile, but was cruising around the other day and on a whim stopped by some old forums I used to haunt and somehow made my way over to this thread. I've long been a shipnames/registry/OoB geek, and this thread got me digging through my stuff.

Many years ago there was web page up where a guy had listed all of the Fed fleets (Spring Y168, iirc) using what "historical" references he could find at the time and a lot of guessing. Most interesting was that he broke down each fleet into divisions and squadrons.

Using his work as a base, adding appropriate squadron profiles, as much "historical" info I could find, and a few guesses of my own, I've updated the 3rd Fleet OOB to reflect it's status on Day One. This listing is by no means 100% accurate, I fully admit in taking liberties (albeit logical ones, imo), but I do hope I'm somewhere close.

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Order of Battle
Federation 3rd Fleet (Klingon Border)
2 August Y171 (Day One of the Klingon Invasion)


Command Elements
DN Konkordium NCC-2106 SL71 - Y175 (Activated Y168F per F&E. *See Note #1 below.)
CC Kongo NCC-1710 (The is much historical precedent for the Kongo being in the 3rd Fleet prior to, though nothing definitive for her being there Day One.)

Operations Support Group
MS Isfahan NCC-916
CMC Okinawa NCC-938
SC Cody NCC-594
FFS Sacagawea NCC-375 (PWC Y169S per F&E. *Note: 3rd Fleet received the first FFS, which was Sacagawea per the NCC list.)

313th Fleet Tug Detachment
TG+ Swift-Tuttle NCC-3803 SH135 - Y170

Auxilliary Operations Detachment
SAV-1 Ostrich SH136 - Y172

Fleet Support Group
Battle Pod BP02
Light Battle Pod LBP02
Light Carrier Pod CVL02

Special Operations
DNL Star Cougar NCC-2163 SH204 - Y171 (Commanded by Fleet Captain Schoeller; Lost defending Starbase 15 during the opening days of the war.)
CF Wolverine NCC-1602 SH204 - Y171 (Sent to attack a Klingon scout ship in support of Star Cougar and SB15.)

1ST DIVISION

23rd Heavy Cruiser Squadron
CARa+ Hood NCC-1707 SH19 - Y171 (We all know what happened to the mighty Hood.)
CL Oaxaca NCC-930 SFUI - Y171
DDL Kublai NCC-507

53rd Light Cruiser Squadron
NCL Kearsage NCC-1500 SH135 - Y170
FFG Unassigned

26th Frigate Squadron
FFG Donitz NCC-331 SFUI - Y171 (Located at Battle Station 7 on Day One. Destroyed along with the station.)
FF Unassigned

2ND DIVISION

24th Heavy Cruiser Squadron
CA Saratoga NCC-1724
CL Unassigned
DD Unassigned

54th Light Cruiser Squadron
NCL Unassigned
FF Unassigned

27th Frigate Squadron
FFG Suffren NCC-346 SL118 - Y167
FFG DeGaulle NCC-311 SL118 - Y167

3RD DIVISION

25th Heavy Cruiser Squadron
CA Yorktown NCC-1704 Sh036 - Y166
CL Unassigned
DD Charlemagne NCC-530 SL118 - Y167

55th Light Cruiser Squadron
NCL Renown NCC-1504 SH181 - Y171
FF Unassigned

28th Frigate Squadron
FFG Unassigned
FF Unassigned

4TH DIVISION

3rd Carrier Squadron
CVS Nelson NCC-1953
DE Collingwood NCC-567
FFE Barry NCC-337
FFE Unassigned - Hardy NCC-338 was assigned at a later date.

5TH DIVISION

6th Carrier Squadron
CVS Houston NCC-1956
DE Travis NCC-582
FFE Seguin NCC-355
FFE Unassigned - Bonham NCC-356 was assigned at a later date.

*(Mothball reserve?)

DD Atilla NCC-523
FF Ushakov NCC-325
FF Jellico NCC-306

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Order of Battle Notes

*Division numbering format is taken from the "Day of the Eagle" history.

*Squadron numbering format and other groups are based loosely on modern navies and are entirely an invention.

Note #1: The is no definitive proof Konkordium was the DN present for Day One. It could well have been Star League.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange to see a DDL (U.S.S. Kublai NCC-507) on the Klingon Border, but anything is possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djdood wrote:
Strange to see a DDL (U.S.S. Kublai NCC-507) on the Klingon Border, but anything is possible.


The SFU Index has the Kublai posted along the Klingon border in Y166. She encountered what was later determined to be an Andromedan (no info on whether she survived the encounter, but I'll replace her in my list anyway).

Replaced with DD Charlemagne NCC-530.
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