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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'll have to try that battle, though nobody I play is very good. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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MajerBlundor Lieutenant SG
Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Posts: 123
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to second Kane's recommendation of Frigate actions. These have been some of my most enjoyable games to date. Each internal hit REALLY hurts in a frigate duel and yet we've had a few battles in which frigates are left limping along trying to finish off one another.
Bringing this back on topic and to Kane's point with their weaker shields even long range disruptor fire can have a significant impact on frigates. One of FC's great features is the contrast in ship fighting styles and the resulting choices available to ship commanders.
Eliminating the option of longer range disruptor fire would not make the game that much simpler while it would certainly weaken the contrast between ship and weapon types thus making tactics "generic". |
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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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USS Enterprise wrote: | I'll have to try that battle, though nobody I play is very good. |
Then I recommend you play the Klingon and let your less able player have the Kzinti. It will still be a challenge...
I intend to write a tactical article soon on the Klingon vs. Kzinti frigate action.
MajerBlundor wrote: | I'd like to second Kane's recommendation of Frigate actions. |
Thanks But it's Kang, as in Admiral Kang..... _________________
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Lol. Will do. I bet I'll still win! Muahahaha! _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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pinecone Fleet Captain
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 1862 Location: Earth
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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The F5 is no more capable than the E4, which is fewer points. |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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What is the E4? And besides, why is the Kzinti FF stronger then the F5 when the F5 is really a destroyer? _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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MajerBlundor Lieutenant SG
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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USS Enterprise wrote: | And besides, why is the Kzinti FF stronger then the F5 when the F5 is really a destroyer? |
I wouldn't get hung up on nomenclature with FC. They use "battleship" to describe a ship larger than a "dreadnought" but in historical wet navies (and other sci-fi games/books) dreadnoughts were larger ships with bigger guns. |
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Requete Lieutenant JG
Joined: 15 Jul 2008 Posts: 77 Location: Leander, TX
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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MajerBlundor wrote: | USS Enterprise wrote: | And besides, why is the Kzinti FF stronger then the F5 when the F5 is really a destroyer? |
I wouldn't get hung up on nomenclature with FC. They use "battleship" to describe a ship larger than a "dreadnought" but in historical wet navies (and other sci-fi games/books) dreadnoughts were larger ships with bigger guns. |
Actually dreadnoughts historically were the battlewagons of World War One. By World War Two they were largely outdated (though among the few remaining in service some still distinguished themselves to a degree, such as USS Texas).
Compare:
USS Texas (BB-35; a "dreadnought):
Length: 573'
Disp: 32k tons
Crew: 1,530
USS Iowa (BB-61; a modern battleship design):
Length: 890'
Disp: 59.3k tons
Crew: 2,858 _________________ "In Klingon Empire, drone launches you!"
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Mike Fleet Captain
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | why is the Kzinti FF stronger then the F5 when the F5 is really a destroyer? |
Who says the Kzinti FF is stronger than an F5??? |
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MajerBlundor Lieutenant SG
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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You have to go back even earlier in the development of capital ships. "Battleship" was the standard term for the largest warships until the introduction of the HMS Dreadnought which was a British warship.
The main difference between the two was that the Dreadnought was the first "all big gun" ship. Until that time battleships carried a greater variety of gun sizes. With the introduction of the HMS Dreadnought prior ships were considered to be "Pre-Dreadnoughts". So the term battleship pre-dated "dreadnought" (goes back to the late 19th centuryt) and indicated a ship with inferior armament. Dreadnought was considered the larger/superior ship at that time (circa WWI).
By WWII the distinction became meaningless and all big-gun capital ships were called battleships. |
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: |
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According to BPV and most of the members here who spoke, the FF is stronger.
The F5 should, IMO based on its place, should be stronger than all other Frigates and weaker then all destroyers. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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djdood Commodore
Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 3413 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Which is exactly why it is called out as such an odd-duck in it's flavor text. Biggest frigate, smallest destroyer. Take your pick. _________________
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Does biggest not connotate strongest? _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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Kang Fleet Captain
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 1976 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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USS Enterprise wrote: | Does biggest not connotate strongest? |
Not always. I can think of some BIG people who have a lot of difficulty moving around....
Interesting discussion, this. As I said above, I am currently undertaking a tactical study between the K-F5 and the Z-FF. If I get anywhere with it, I will publish my findings in the tactics section. _________________
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USS Enterprise Lieutenant Commander
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I see said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw. _________________ "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few"
"Since my customary greeting would seem entirely self serving, I will simply say good luck."
"Live long and Prosper." |
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