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Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite Ships?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject: Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite Ships? Reply with quote

I have noticed that Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites exist in the Star Fleet Universe. Obviously they are a part of the Federation, but since Federation ships are essentially Earth Vessels (certainly referred to as such on 60s TV), it would be cool to see ships for the other races, both from before the formation of the Federation, and perhaps in the future after the Federation breaks up. Even during the “Middle Years”, I imagine there were non-Starfleet ships of these races. Note for example the rivalry between Starfleet Academy and Vulcan Science Academy, which suggests the existence of a Vulcan Science Fleet. Just a random thought from a newbie.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Star Fleet Battles modules Y-1 / Y-2 (The Early Years) covers most of the national fleets... i.e., the 5 proto-ISC empires, and on the UFP front - the Andorians and the Vulcans... just to name a few.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, don't take anything from TV that came after TOS and the Animated series (TNG, Enterprise, etc.) as having any impact on the SFU, as it doesn't really (nor is ADB licensed to use it, even if they wanted to).

In cases where the tv show contradicted itself (early references to the Enterprise being an Earth ship, later said to be a Federation ship), the SFU has a decision and ADB has stuck with that decision.

I've never seen references in ADB products to rivalry to rivalry between Starfleet Academy and Vulcan Science Academy (that's a plot mechanic from the Enterprise tv-series), nor to the Federation breaking up in the future (the timeline for the games goes out for at least a hundred years after TOS' setting).

As scoutdad notes, SFB has a pair of modules to cover times before the main setting of the games and those include the member fleets (as they were in the process of integrating their "navies"). By the time of the "Middle Years" (TOS-era), those ships were pretty much gone (even from the National Guards, IIRC). By the time of the main General War setting, they were essentially memories.

Civilian ships, planetary government-owned science ships, etc., would probably still be unique in some cases, but also just as likely to have been built to a standardized design (like the Prime Trader, etc.). The SFU abstracts this anyways - civilian ships are usually just "targets" and ADB just uses one standard SSD/shipcard for a type, regardless of origin/empire/etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djdood wrote:
Also, don't take anything from TV that came after TOS and the Animated series (TNG, Enterprise, etc.) as having any impact on the SFU, as it doesn't really (nor is ADB licensed to use it, even if they wanted to).

Oh, I don’t. TOS and TAS are the only TV trek I have watched, anyway.

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In cases where the tv show contradicted itself (early references to the Enterprise being an Earth ship, later said to be a Federation ship), the SFU has a decision and ADB has stuck with that decision.

Is that a contradiction, though? Enterprise is a Federation ship, but it’s crewed almost exclusively by Earthmen. Intrepid is a Federation ship, but it’s crewed exclusively by Vulcans. This is entirely logical, since each ship conforms to the atmospheric comforts of a given species. But, other than Intrepid and presumably other exceptions, the fleet seems to be more along the Enterprise model, i.e. primarily a human operation.

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I've never seen references in ADB products to rivalry to rivalry between Starfleet Academy and Vulcan Science Academy (that's a plot mechanic from the Enterprise tv-series)

No, I was referring to the TOS episode “Journey to Babel”, i.e. the Sarek-Spock feud.

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nor to the Federation breaking up in the future (the timeline for the games goes out for at least a hundred years after TOS' setting).

I was suggesting a possible direction in which the Star Fleet Universe could develop in the future. In any case, it is illogical to assume that the Federation will last forever.

Anyway, forgive my noobish question.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing to forgive.

Just please take the answers folks provide in the spirit they are written (information and polite discourse).

There's certainly no desire to shut down other ideas, etc., but SVC has written and posted a whole lot of stuff over 20+ years and it gives a fairly good indication of where he intends to take the SFU (not that he doesn't throw a "curve ball" every once in a while to keep people guessing).

Anything someone outside ADB writes about the SFU is just opinion and there's an old saying about opinions that isn't repeatable here...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djdood wrote:
... and there's an old saying about opinions that isn't repeatable here...


"Opinions are like belly-buttons! Everybody has one (except for Lyra-a and the rest of the Tyranians - who had two!) and they're all different?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that's worth noting is that in this universe, none of the Terran-hull ships had saucers.

Terran hulls were all over the place, design-wise - from the more familiar designs which would evolve into the CL and POL (and the various Federation and Auroran derivations from the same) to the three other classes which were shown to have been part of the old Terran fleet in SFB Module Y2.

The first saucer-and-nacelle ships were intended to be a unified design, for a united Star Fleet - although certain Vulcan technologies (ship-mounted special sensors and phaser-1s) had to wait until the second generation of Star Fleet hulls to be fully integrated.


(It's a similar dynamic with the ISC. None of the five planets' ships look like the original range of unified hulls - two prongs, rather than the three that 'modern' Concordium ships have - but their experiences and weapon systems fed into the designs which would serve in the unified Navy and Police.)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SFU has many ships with non-Earth crews, but they look identical to the ones with Earth crews, since they're all using the same unified design. Form the outside, the only difference between Enteprise and Intrepid is the hull number. The CAs crewed by Andorians and Rigellians are also identical on the outside, and mostly so on the inside (although Rigellian interior decorators are infamously bold).

If you are looking for non-Terran ships, you're talking early years (SFB Modules Y1 and Y2) and those ships were all cut up for scrap, lost in combat, or turned into museums by the time the TV show started.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scoutdad wrote:
"Opinions are like belly-buttons! Everybody has one (except for Lyra-a and the rest of the Tyranians - who had two!) and they're all different?


Wow. I was thinking about Lyra-a the other day. Wrong universe though.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a coincidence... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I forgot to note the one member of the Federation which remained stubborn about keeping their own hull designs in service with their National Guard - the Orion Enclave.


Both the Orion NG and Police used Orion-hull DDs and other ships to patrol Enclave space, which under the treaty Orion signed to join the Federation is strictly off-limits for the Federation Police.


The Orion DD is not in FC yet, but is in SFB Module R8.
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