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jeffery smith
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svc i would like to ask for the Klingon E3,E3D/E (and you thought it was going to be the Dhawk did'nt you). While the E3E was meant as a Carrier escort i believe that it is better suited for convoy/fleet defence from drones/plasma and fighter attack.

they are inexpensive to mass produce and can defend a convoy (in squads of 2 or more) long enough for heavier elements to arrive.

in fleet operations they could free up heavier elements that would be tasked with defensive work for other missions. not to mention the fact that the E3D can preform drone bombardment operations in the place of F5D, D5D or D6D
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, it has been decided that for the next few issues one of the two new ships will be a new escort variant of an existing ship.

Starting with empires that don't have any escorts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool, i like varriants. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the shipyard report from CL45S, it was noted that the ISC light cruiser scout was deemed to be too powerful, relative to the war cruiser scouts used by other empires.

In that case, what kind of price, or sensor capability, would the scout configuration of the ISC heavy destroyer have?

Aternatively, might the ISC Survey Cruiser be an option? Its Point Value would be 140 if based directly on its SFB economic BPV; plus it "only" has four sensors (and with less power to use them) compared to the HSC's six.


Also, does the list of scouts that has been drawn up for conversion include the Andromedan Anaconda; or would it have the same issues as the ISC light cruiser scout? (And if the latter is the case, would either the Courier or Eel be preferable instead?)

The one detail that might be a factor there is that the Anaconda has a displacement device, and would count against a given force's 2-DisDev limit; while the smaller scouts, lacking DisDevs, would not. Would this limitation be enough to counteract the increased effectiveness of the Anaconda relative to its smaller cousins?

Actually, it occurred to me is that, with the integration of special sensors into the core ruleset, mothership variants like the Infestor and Missionary might be worth taking out of the Borders of Madness pile, too. While either would allow for more satships to be taken into a given engagement, and make for much harder sensor platforms to kill, taking one would cut significantly into any given Andromedan force's TR beam capacity.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, Eel would be better I think (that's the Cobra-hull one, right?)

Gary, if you want to bring a lot of Satellite Ships to the party, there is the Galleon already published, and does not have the complications of the Infestor's special sensors.

But I'd definitely like to see the Eel. Courier, like all Viper-based ships, is a little small.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: ISC Scout

I really doubt that a variant of the ISC HDW is going to be made into their standard scout. I also doubt that their survey ship will be used, either. In both cases, you are limiting their options with the base hull, or giving them advantages that other empires don't have by using those base hulls.

RE: Andromedan Scouts

I would expect (and will push for) the Eel (the Cobra-Scout) to be the "standard Andromedan scout". It makes the most sense, and works best for their fleets and the ships they have now. I will expect the Mamba-Scout (the Anaconda?) to be included at some point, too, however. Those two ships fit their current fleet and are the appropriate scouts for them to use.

In addition, I would expect that the Infestor and Missionary will be done at some point. They add a very interesting dynamic to the Andromedan fleet make up, and provide a very nice alternative approach to how the Andromedans work.

As you touched on, using the Infestor and Missionary means that the offensive firepower of those fleets are purely resident in their satellite ships, rather than being shared between the satellite ships and the mother ship. Is this a better arrangement? I doubt it. However, it is still different, and allows people to take different approaches with the same empire.

[If you want to discuss the ideas of Andromedan fleet makeups, please take it to a different thread. This is simply meant as support for the idea of eventually doing the Infestor and Missionary at some point. Discussing the actual tactical merits of such fleets belongs elsewhere.]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least, the SR wouldn't be the only survey cruiser in Ship Card form; the Federation GSC was done up (in BoM at the time) for Communique #29.

Actually, that raises a question; would the Main Era GSC Ship Card now be "official" (since its sensors can be used in the current version of the main game), and would the Middle Years version of the GSC in Briefing #2 get its own sensors added back in (the way the various bases did)?


As for the ISC, if neither the SR nor HDD-S were suitable, is there a scout variant of their own CW hull from Module R9 that could be ported over; and, if there isn't, could there be scope for one to be dug out of the "data tapes"?

From a game perspective, it would still be more expensive than a rival CWS; but it could be given a lower amount of sensors relative to the HSC, in order to make it a somewhat more even ship for FC purposes. Plus, from an in-universe perspective, it's as likely that the Concordium would be as short of HSCs by Y189 as it was of every other type of pre-Invasion ship class at that point; so the same motivation that drove it to rush the war cruiser into full-scale production would likely lead to a series of new scout cruisers using the same hull, to try and drive back the encroaching Andromedans. (That rush could help explain a lower sensor count; the ISC wouldn't have had the time to refine the electronic sensor suite for this ship the way they had with the light cruiser scout.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the Fed GSC, I see no reason to add sensors to the ship in Briefing #2. It works fine the way it is, and doesn't need to be changed.

For the whole concept of scout channels, I think Steve is still in the process of how to handle them. I would expect that, since special sensors have been basically moved from BoM to the main rules, scouts and survey ships will become "mainstream". As such, yes, I would expect that the GSC could be considered as a non-BoM ship at this point. However, I don't make that decision, and until Steve decides to state it one way or the other, it is whatever it says it is.

On the ISC, I have not looked hard enough to make any recommendations. Steve will solve the problem when he needs to, and anything mentioned beforehand is probably just a data point he can consider if he wishes. That said, I really don't expect that he will use the survey ship as anything but a survey ship or that he won't make a main line scout based on the HDW. And, considering that he rejected the CW and DW for consideration when other ISC ships were being discussed, I doubt he will want to make a scout version of the CW as the base scout.

I am sorry, but really, no one has said what will be done for the ISC scout yet because no one knows what will be done. When the decision is made, it will be communicated in general. Before then, suggestions can be made. But asking what the solution will be before it is made is like asking "Are we there yet?" while still pulling the car out of the driveway.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had been hoping that it was just the "system" ships (NCA/NCS, NDD, NFF), the ones converted out in the semi-isolated cantonments, which were off the table; as opposed to the "war" classes (DW, CW, HCW) built over in the home shipyard.

(One of the notes in an earlier post in this thread refers to the ships not being able to set a Baseline Speed of 24. This would be true for the "system" ships, given the dorsal hull module grafted on in order to help them defend the surviving Pacification bases; but not for the "war" classes, which would be able to handle fleet speeds with no impediment. Plus the "system" ships were limited based on the number of suitable hulls each cantonment had available; whereas the "war" classes went into full-scale production at the home yards from 2589 onwards.)


But then, even if there was scope for the "war" classes to be re-considered, it still may not lead to an opening for a potential ISC heavy scout based on one of those hulls. Still, I thought I might as well suggest the idea and see it shot down, rather than not mention it and miss the chance for it to at least be considered as an option.

(Well, it could well be that it would have been considered and/or rejected even without my saying anything; but still.)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't want to create an new ship just for this. The DDS will probably do well enough, but Petrick is looking at an idea MW sent in.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, just so it is in the list: C9.

While it is effectively an historical footnote and probably shouldn't get a full, laminated ship card, it would be a cool addition for Communique.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see a Disruptor/Photon Patrol Corvette.

Also is there a Pinwheel Card out there with a DD, PCW, and a PC+?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dal Downing wrote:
Also is there a Pinwheel Card out there with a DD, PCW, and a PC+?

The Captain's Log Supplemental for the Captain's Log with the pinwheel rules and single ship card includes, I think, three more pinwheel ship cards. I don't have any of that handy, including the Captain's Log number, but there were more pinwheel ship cards in the Supplemental.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see the Hydran DWL, and also the DWS and Picket Heavy Survey Cruiser (simply because I have miniatures of them).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has the Skyhawk-L been published anywhere? That (and the Jayhawk) are nice ships.
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