Federation Commander

[storeylf]

[DirkSJ]

[wedge_hammersteel]

I hate to write this but, in Fed Com, storyelf is right about the PPT. However, it would be a good BoM addition.

And dirksj, quit being one of storyelf’s minions and post something original. Don’t you think if PPTs were allowed in a future BoM product that a way to keep the selection of a real PT vs a PPT secret could be devised until it is revealed to your opponent. Its not rocket science. Perhaps starship science though.

[DirkSJ]

[wedge_hammersteel]

Hah, look at that. Thanks for the tip on storeylf's. Our group always pronounced it storyelf. Thats what happens when you read too fast and play too much AD&D. Now we will have to come up with a new pronounciation.

[storeylf]

[Scoutdad]

[mojo jojo]

The one strategy posted by plasma advocates other than the ballet is to fire enough plasma to force one ship away and then concentrate their ships against the remaining portion of the opponent's fleet. However even in the scenario where the opponent has 1 ship run away, the plasma fleet is still in big trouble. Here are the forward direct fire fleets from the 20 sample squadrons and the weapons of the remaining ships if the best ship ran away. I'm ignoring Hydrans since Stingers are hard to factor in, and I'm ignoring Orions since they could have anything in their weapon mounts.

Fed 2 NCA, CS
8 Photons, 14 PH1, 4 drones

Fed BCJ, 2 NCL
8 Photons, 12 PH1, 2 drones

Fed DN, 2 DW
6 Photons, 8 PH1, 2 drones

Klingon C7, D5W, F5W
6 Disrupters, 8 PH1, 4 drones

Klingon DWL, 2 D7
8 Disrupters, 6 PH1, 4 PH2, 4 drones

Kzinti DNH, 2 DW
4 Disrupters, 6 PH1, 8 drones

Kzinti NCC, 2 NCA
8 Disrupters, 8 PH1, 8 drones

Tholian NCA, 2 CA
8 Disrupterse, 12 PH1

Lyran DNH, 2DW
6 Disrupters, 4 PH1, 8 PH2, 4 ESG

Lyran CC, 2 NCA
8 Disrupters, 14 PH1, 4 ESG

Seltorian DNL, CA, CL
7 PC, 14 PH1, 4 SC

The forward direct fire weapons of the 5 sample tournament plasma fleets are:

Gorn BCH, BC, BDD
17 PH1

Gorn 2 CM, HDD
15 PH1

Rom FH, 2 SPH
14 PH1

Rom KRC, 2 KR
11 PH1

Rom 2 KE, BH, SN
14 PH1

It appears to me that even if the plasma strategy actually WORKS and chases away the largest opponent ship, that the remaining ships can generally speaking, still outshoot the plasma fleet. The exceptions being when there is a DN, and 2 DW and possibly the Klingon fleets. In these cases, the plasma merely reaches parity in firepower with the 2 weaker ships. Anytime there is roughly 3 equal ships in the fleet, the 2 remaining ships still have roughly 1.5-2 times the direct firepower of the entire plasma fleet.

The plasma fleets need to launch enough plasma to force 2 ships to run away and concentrate on the 3rd for this strategy to work. And if they tried that, then all 3 of the enemy ships would run away and the plasma fleet would quickly wind up with no plasma remaining.




What can I say? I was bored...

[terryoc]

[phul]

You can not compare the direct fire potential of a Direct Fire Fleet to a Plasma fleet (it's like comparing the direct fire potential of a CA to a Drone CA). It doesn't work, and is only indicative of what will happen if the Plasma fleet makes a mistake. The plasma fleet does not want to have that exchange. And if they do, they've likely made a greivous game losing mistake at some point prior.

Also, I disagree in so many ways with the 'easy tactic' to kill Plasma (as far as it's status as a 'trick'), I think the Plasma race played well will have a reasonable chance to be successful. But I dont' have time atm to write that post (all the reasons I think the way I do). Hopefully will tomorrow.

[pauls]

Mojo dojo,

If the plasam force had to use all its plasma to force one enemy ship to turn away your analysis would be sound but I doubt that is the case.

Assume the plasma player uses all his -F torps (as they are armed turn one then the exchange of fire starts to look even against the feds and advantaged elsewhere.

I do think allowing final arming of big torps turn 1 at the cost of batteries would make sense in the tournament. as folks have pointed out 4-5 turns is an average tourny length.

Re; sabot (speed 40) plasma I think that should be standard when fast drones and possibly ISC PPDs and Andro's are available.

[mojo jojo]

[malleman]

Okay, Battle Group Acadiana called a quorom earlier today and motion was posed concerning the pronunciation of Storeylf. We all agreed to keep it as Storyelf.

Also, could either pauls or phul please help us out by changing something we are getting you guys confused.

Mojo jojo and Savedfromwhat you two are okay for the time being as long as no one takes the screen name Jojo mojo or Savedfromsomething.


error corrected

[Capt Jack]

The Original question was Faster Plasma? NO! Hope I am not repeating something said earlier.

The reason is if you have faster Plasma,

I want faster Drones!

Another player will want phaser upgrades!

Another player Shield upgrade/refit!

Another more ADD ammunition!

Etc. I hope you see where I am going with this.
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[mjwest]

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Please do not go around raising dead threads. Especially when you are not adding anything to the conversation. Especially when their are much more recent threads on the same subject. Especially when you have apparently not read the whole thread first.

Thank you.
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