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IainMcG
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pity they couldn't just copy the SFC computer game's Hawks, they were beautifully predatory and sleek looking designs.

http://coolminiornot.com/pics/pics14/img4b12b3b93aaba.jpg

Nevertheless, I'm sure they'll look good whatever shape they take and I'm equally sure I'll end up with a few !
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phdillman
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my opinion, but I hated the SFC designs and replaced them with SFB skins, back when I had SFC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phdillman wrote:
Just my opinion, but I hated the SFC designs and replaced them with SFB skins, back when I had SFC.


I think all of us foogies did that. Cool
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Carthaginian
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scoutdad wrote:
phdillman wrote:
Just my opinion, but I hated the SFC designs and replaced them with SFB skins, back when I had SFC.


I think all of us foogies did that. Cool


And a lot of young purists...
Though I did love the ADB Hawk cruisers; now the Hawk destroyer/frigate hull was horrible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The base hull shapes can, will, must, and should stay (more or less) the same, at least to the extent that the firing arcs, number and size of engines, and general outward shape, is absolutely maintained.

More detail is good. Some tweeking with the shape (racier look, think CA to CX) is possible. More birdlike? We'll see what we see. That one somebody posted wouldn't be possible (copyright violation) but would be a cool design. I'm not sure what SFB ship that thing is supposed to be so I cannot comment on how far you can push an SFB design before it's not acceptable.

I personally thought that the SFC designs sucked big time, and that the Lyrans were absolutely horridly ugly. And I'm the guy who makes the final decisions and has the final approvals. Not to say that I automtically reject suggestions, new ideas, and cooler ships. Hey, I liked D7#1 (but it was just not legal for us to produce it and I see no point in the second ship done under the Joint Venture resulting in ADB and Mongoose being put out of business).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Cole wrote:
I personally thought that the SFC designs sucked big time, and that the Lyrans were absolutely horridly ugly. And I'm the guy who makes the final decisions and has the final approvals.

I could not agree more with the ugliness of the SFC designs! Especially what they did to the Hydrans and ISC! What was up with that!? Sounds similar to what they did to Dick Marcinko with his game.

phdillman wrote:
Just my opinion, but I hated the SFC designs and replaced them with SFB skins, back when I had SFC.

I wish I had known how to do that when I played that.
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Carthaginian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Cole wrote:
I'm not sure what SFB ship that thing is supposed to be so I cannot comment on how far you can push an SFB design before it's not acceptable.


Mr. Cole,
That was the in-game SFC model for a Firehawk-series heavy cruiser.
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Dal Downing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay my first thought was okay 4 engines, 2up 2down way to thin of a boom sorta bird like okay its a heavy hawk. That's almost kinda cool and it could grow on me. Then I thought okay where are the mission modules, and how am I going to mount a R on there.

Cool mini overall though doubious about what would have to have done to make a heavy hawk but it could make a sweet fast hawk...
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Carthaginian
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dal Downing wrote:
Okay my first thought was okay 4 engines, 2up 2down way to thin of a boom sorta bird like okay its a heavy hawk. That's almost kinda cool and it could grow on me. Then I thought okay where are the mission modules, and how am I going to mount a R on there.

Cool mini overall though doubious about what would have to have done to make a heavy hawk but it could make a sweet fast hawk...


There is actually a 'Warbird' type hull beneath the wings- that would be where the mission module would be. It's not technically 'connected' to the 'wings,' which is where the engines and bridge modules are. All the SFC 'Hawk'-series ships had a similar setups with the 'Warbird' type hull included in the design.

I can't post a link to a site with such pictures- though perhaps if you Google 'ship' and 'schematics' without a space between them, you might find a 'starship' site in the results that might have something there to show you what the SFC Firehawk, Sparrowhawk, and Sky/Seahawk look like.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There really is no problem posting links to official SFC ships.

Posting links to SFC ship skins somebody made up might or might not be a problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Cole wrote:
There really is no problem posting links to official SFC ships.

Posting links to SFC ship skins somebody made up might or might not be a problem.


I found the Taldren models; these are the official models for the 'Hawk'-series ships:
FIREHAWK: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/commandcruiser_v50.jpg
SPARROWHAWK: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/scoutcruiser_v14.jpg
SEA/SKYHAWK: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/escort_r9.jpg

Hopefully these don't bend any rules... Embarassed
Obviously, the Sea/Skyhawk hull has a smaller 'mission module' and only a part of the hull is removed. On the other ships, it is pretty clear where the module part of the hull is- in the center of the Sparrowhawk's aft section, and the underslung portion of the hull in the Firehawk.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are certainly wild designs. Not really practicable from a naval architecture perspective, but wild none the less.
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Carthaginian
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Cole wrote:
Those are certainly wild designs. Not really practicable from a naval architecture perspective, but wild none the less.


For some reason, this person has the old SFC1 models posted.
The SFC2 and SFC:OP models were a bit smoother (especially for the Sparrowhawk) and were a bit prettier- but they really came into their own when some brave souls made high-poly models based on them and gave them better 'paint jobs.'

And the Federation 'boom and saucer' thing is really not practicable from a design standpoint- lots of spindly supports with big weights on top.

But they are pretty... Very Happy Is it possible for ADB to use the material they developed based on the material ya'll developed?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really not plausible for ADB to use anything from SFC other than stuff copied directly from SFB. Any "contribution" by SFC beyond SFB is off limits since it belongs to Paramount and is chronologically after the date of our contract.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Cole wrote:
It's really not plausible for ADB to use anything from SFC other than stuff copied directly from SFB. Any "contribution" by SFC beyond SFB is off limits since it belongs to Paramount and is chronologically after the date of our contract.


Foiled by the legalese!
At least that protects us from the hideous Hydran designs in SFC. Wink
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