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Kang
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Question on Federation weapons doctrine Reply with quote

In connection with a scenario idea I am working on, I wondered if I might ask this question regarding Federation weapons doctrine.

I seem to recall that, somewhere in the older SFB material, it mentioned (and I paraphrase) that the high destructive power of the Photon (especially when overloaded) is deliberate, because it will effectively deter potential enemies from attacking a Federation ship. This should therefore help the Feds in their altruistic goal of avoiding combat and bloodshed wherever possible.

Does anyone else remember that piece of doctrine?

And don't worry; the scenario I have in mind will still have lots of combat and bloodshed Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't remember it, but it sure sounds like the Utopian Fooled People.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The destructive power of photons never seems to discourage my opponents from attacking my Feds. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't remember that specifically, but I do remember "Non-violent combat" which always seemed oxymoronic to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea just think if you could overload plasma, and the deterrent that would be from attacking Gorn.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony,

I have the same recollection as you, but also recall that the Feds built their pre-war stuff to be able to take the enemy's best shot and still be able to cripple him with Photons afterwards. I don't think that philosophy applied to any of the war designs (NCA, NCL, DW) which were simply intended to go out there and thump things.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Steve, I remember that too. In that way it was a similar philosophy to the Hydrans'.

I wonder if any of the 'old' 'old guard' will remember where my original question can be answered.....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if any of the 'old' 'old guard' will remember where my original question can be answered.....


Been around SFU since '83, don't recall seeing anything about what you asked.

Could be your recalling something out of another gaming system about Star Trek (i.e. Fasa's version)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From another old-schooler (boughtthe zip-loc version in '80)... I do not recall ever reading that bit either.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not for the UFP, but there is a line in SFB Module Y2 in the rules covering how the Early Years ISC handles its progression to modern (TL12) technology in the event of an early "first contact". Specifically, the line is in the rules covering how long it takes for the Concordium to develop the plasmatic pulsar device:

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(YR13.018) PLASMATIC PULSAR DEVICES: The Inter-Stellar Concordium cannot equip any ship, base, or other unit with PPDs until ten years after encountering another empire. The Inter-Stellar Concrodium was experimenting with aspects of this weapon design, but did not meld them all together into the PPD until confronted with the need for a heavy weapon that matched its altruistic proclivities.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is a line somewhere about the destructive power of photons, but it was in reference to the reason the Feds considered them to be their "heavy weapons". I have no idea where I think I read that though. There's a whole lot of material, after 30 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At Bolo's suggestion I went and looked at the FASA material I have lying around and I did not see it in the Fed Ship Recognition Manual or the Combat Simulator game. I also checked the Starship Construction Manual and the main rule book, but did not find it. That doesn't mean it's not there somewhere or in another book I may not have.
The description sounded familiar so I think I, too, have seen it somewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started playing SFB when the first boxed edition came out and do not remember ever seeing any text as described above.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it possibly have appeared in the ship description section of the Tactics Manual. I no longer have a copy of it,so I can't check,but it does sound vaguely familiar. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call, Semperatis!

Page 44 of my Tactics manual (1987 edition), under "The Ships of the Federation Star Fleet," the paragraph describing the Heavy Cruiser says (not quoting here) the ship is designed to absorb the enemy's damage then fire a devastating blow with its photons and phasers. It goes on to say that the photon can miss at even modest ranges, but the ship was built to handle anything a D7 can give and still return fire.
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