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Spring 2013 FCOL Tourney: Info, Announcements and Deadlines
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pinbot
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pass
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JimDauphinais
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Player Order

Pinbot
Ncrcalamine
Storyelf - Frax 1 x CA, 1 x CW and 2 x DW (464 points)
Sebastian380 - Klingon 1 x C8, 1 x F5W and 1 x F5 (446 points)
JimDauphinais - Federation 1 x CC and 2 x CA (445 points)


Third Empire Bidding

Pinbot is up to pick an empire and submit a valid squadron bid for it of up to 667 points.

Once Pinbot posts his empire selection and squadorn bid for his selected empire, bidding on that empire will be open to all players for exactly 24 hours.

For example, if Pinbot posts at 06:00 AM on January 5th, the last bid posting for that empire will be accepted at 5:59 AM on January 6th.

Valid squadron bids must have a lower total point value than the lowest current valid squadron bid. The lowest posted valid squadron bid at the end of the bidding period wins the empire.

During the bidding period for the empire, any player may bid a squadron for that empire at any time.

If I win the bidding, the Base Squadron will be reassigned to the player with the second lowest valid squadron bid.

If another player that already has a squadron wins the bidding, that player's existing squadron will be offered as-is to the player with the second lowest valid bid. If the player receiving the offer refuses it, the squadron is discarded.

If Pinbot does not post his empire selection and squadron bid within 24 hours of the the time/date stamp of this announcement post, Pinbot will be forced to pass to Ncrcalamine.

And with that, over to Pinbot ...
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pinbot
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seltorians BC @ 190, 2 x NC @ 142 (474 points)
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JimDauphinais
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will pass on bidding on the Seltorians.
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Sebastian380
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will not be bidding on the Seltorians
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storeylf
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pass
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JimDauphinais
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bidding on the Seltorians has timed out and Pinbot wins them.

Please note the two changes in bold below for bidding for the last empire. The changes were made in order to avoid a chain reaction if the second lowest bidder already has a squadron.


Player Order

Pinbot - Seltorian 1 x BC and 2 x NC (474 points)
Ncrcalamine
Storyelf - Frax 1 x CA, 1 x CW and 2 x DW (464 points)
Sebastian380 - Klingon 1 x C8, 1 x F5W and 1 x F5 (446 points)
JimDauphinais - Federation 1 x CC and 2 x CA (445 points)


Fourth Empire Bidding

Ncrcalamine is up to pick an empire and submit a valid squadron bid for it of up to 667 points.

Once Ncrcalamine posts her empire selection and squadorn bid for her selected empire, bidding on that empire will be open to all players for exactly 24 hours.

For example, if Ncrcalamine posts at 06:00 AM on January 5th, the last bid posting for that empire will be accepted at 5:59 AM on January 6th.

Valid squadron bids must have a lower total point value than the lowest current valid squadron bid. The lowest posted valid squadron bid at the end of the bidding period wins the empire.

During the bidding period for the empire, any player may bid a squadron for that empire at any time.

If I win the bidding, the Base Squadron will be reassigned to Ncrcalamine.

If another player that already has a squadron wins the bidding, that player's existing squadron will be offered as-is to Ncrcalamine. If Ncrcalamine refuses it, the squadron is discarded.


And with that, over to Ncrcalamine ...
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ncrcalamine
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyran
Bc 185
Dw 102
Dw 102
Ff 67

Total 456

Nicole
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Sebastian380
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pass on the Lyrans
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pinbot
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass on Lyrans
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JimDauphinais
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bid:


Lyran

1 x CC (155) + 2 x NCA (146) = 447 points
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ncrcalamine
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyran
Bc 185
Cc 155
Dw 102

Total 442
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JimDauphinais
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squadron bidding is complete.

Pinbot - Seltorian 1 x BC and 2 x NC (474 points)
Ncrcalamine - Lyran 1 x BC, 1 x CC and 1 x DW (442 points)
Storyelf - Frax 1 x CA, 1 x CW and 2 x DW (464 points)
Sebastian380 - Klingon 1 x C8, 1 x F5W and 1 x F5 (446 points)
JimDauphinais - Federation 1 x CC and 2 x CA (445 points)


I will post the match schedule by this evening (US CDT).
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ncrcalamine
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Critique of bidding system Reply with quote

In my opinion the bidding system used in this tourney needs changes.
Here are several proposals that could be taken in part or total. Ideas that I feel really need changing from the way this auction was done say (important). This is in no way a criticism of anyone in this tourny, just changes that I feel would make the process better.


Base squadron
The player who gets stuck with the base squadron should be allowed to change the squadron so long as the points get worse or stay the same. The defaut race and point total should be that, not a booby prize. (important)
In this tourney I would have played Two fed stike ca and an ncl for 415, and allowed Jim to play his lyran bid.

The base squadron should always be feds or klingons.



Bidding
A player should post a race and a squadron. Then there should 24 hours for someone else to claim that point total and probably that squadron but it could be a different squadron at that point total. Just because you posted first does not mean that you get dibs on that squadron. (important)
I feel this had negative impact on this tourney's auction. At times it felt like a bad ebay auction. If you feel that this is is a bad proposal that will result in a reverse auction based on sniping and time, then allow multiple players to claim that squadron or point total and settle it with a dice bot.
Ie, for the fleet / point total 1,2,3 goes to player a , 4,5,6 player B. If it goes to a dice bot to decide who plays that squadron that auction is closed. If you were wiling to play a lower total you should have bid it.



Fleets and races
Every player should be allowed to post a race (once) and a proposed fleet with point total (possibly many times) regardless of other races and fleets in the game. if the point total gets driven two low, you can take the default race and fleet.
Jim did not get to post a fleet, just the default
There could be two identical fleets by different players which would be a civil war for that race.


Just my thoughts

Nicole
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