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just played mobile base X ray
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:28 pm    Post subject: just played mobile base X ray Reply with quote

I Played the Romulans in this scenario. Whoever wrote it... you are a horrible person. This "scenario" was a total joke might has well have been called Kobyashi Maru for Romulans. First i am 100 points down, then I am supposed to capture the base with 5 marines to his 16. Not to mention I have 1/5th the amount of heavy weapons (not counting the drone rack) as my opponent. As written this scenario is as unbalanced as a fight between the scenario designer and mike tyson... which at this point I would like to watch happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the name of that scenario, "The Destruction of Mobile Base X-Ray?"
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apparently it is a misnomer.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's totally impossible for the Romulans to capture the base - if you try, you're asking to be boarded and captured yourself. I think the best way to play the scenario is for the Romulan to destroy the base rather than try to capture it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this topic just came up. I played this one a few weeks back. I was the Romulans. I never had any intention of capturing the base. Romulans won a substantial victory, just doing internals to the base, and forcing the patrol ship to disengage, as she was crippled.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: 8RA Setup Reply with quote

I'm confused about the setup for this scenario. It says to put the base in the upper left hand corner, and then the Federation ship begins 35 hexes away in directions A, E, or F...all of which are up or to the left. Is the DW supposed to start off the map?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the scenario rules you can't win if you don't capture the base, also the fed ship need only stay at the base to concentrate its firepower on the incoming romulan to win. Which is basically what my opponent did

We started with the base in the middle and both ships came in from off the map.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savedfromwhat wrote:
According to the scenario rules you can't win if you don't capture the base, also the fed ship need only stay at the base to concentrate its firepower on the incoming romulan to win. Which is basically what my opponent did

We started with the base in the middle and both ships came in from off the map.


It says; use the point value victory system (8B2). Feds don't get points for damage to the WE. Actually pretty easy to win for the Romulans; take out the DW. Capture of the base is next to impossible.

The Fed DW must start 35 hexes from the Base.


I have Romulan space; Not Romulan Border though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike_espo wrote:
It says; use the point value victory system (8B2).


It then goes on to say, "there are no 'points' in this scenario, just win or lose." It seems to contradict itself there, as far as I can tell.

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The Fed DW must start 35 hexes from the Base.


"In directions E, F, or A," all of which are off the map.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike_espo wrote:
It says; use the point value victory system (8B2).


Just do not give the Fed player any points unless the Romulan ship disengages, or is destroyed, or captured.

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The Fed DW must start 35 hexes from the Base.
"In directions E, F, or A," all of which are off the map.


Floating map. Very Happy I am going to play this one again. Gonna take the Romulans and use a Battle Hawk vs a DW.

Ill give a AAR Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way it is written the Romulans get no points unless they capture the base.

The scenario is a strict no winner for the Romulan, unless this is an attack of opportunity (which it couldn't be because the base is defended), the Romulans sent the wrong ship for the job. A War Eagle doesn't have the firepower to kill the base with its escort (which is a good reason why the Warbird in balance of terror Boogied when the Enterprise showed up).

We played that the base had 2 x 360 degree Photon launchers, is that correct?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Romulans must capture the base" rule is obviously an error, should probably be "capture or destroy".
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with terry, I'm sure it must be a typo, the scenario is called the destruction of xxxx, the pre-amble doesn't hint at any reason why the base needs to be captured rather than destroyed.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I agree. Smile

Nowhere does it say: " In order to win, the Romulan player must capture the base. Any other result is a Federation Victory." It does say to use the point system, however.
Also, it says scenario ends when the patrol/rescue ship leaves the map, or is destroyed or captured.

Militarily, it makes more sense to destroy the base as capturing it would serve no purpose: the Feds could easily re-capture the base. The capture objective is the "cherry on the cake" scenario for the Romulan intellegence services. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a weird scenario.

As written, the Romulan is 98 points down at the start. Under the point value victory conditions, this is an automatic, guaranteed win for the Romulan, since he gains 98 point bonus, resulting in almost a "significant victory" no matter what happens. The Romulan could disengage and "win", while the Federation would "win" then too, since the base is safe.

Also, the game ends when the DW disengages, so presumably the DW could immediately disengage at the end of Turn #1, guaranteeing the safety of the base and "winning".

I'm going to think about what the victory conditions for this one should be, and I'll suggest something to Mike West for his consideration.
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