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Valpurgius · Ensign Joined: 28 Nov 2022 Posts: 4

Both the MY and GW POL in Squadron Scale cost 50 pts even though the GW POL has an additional 2 360 Degree Ph-3 and a drone rack. Shouldn't the GW POL cost 58 as it is in SFB? This seems to be supported by the six point PV difference in Fleet Scale.

mjwest · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:59 pm Post subject:

Well ... I am not sure. The SFB SSD of the Fed POL I have from Advanced Missions shows the BPV to be 40 with a refit cost of 8. Add in the extra two points because of the drone speed, and you get the 50 shown for the main era ship card seen in FC.

However, I think the POL was revised after the SSD I have was made, giving it a couple more marine units, maybe more crew, and a higher BPV. My copy of G3 shows the BPV of 50, which doesn't match the SSD I have. So, by the time we got to Briefing #2, it appears that this update had been done, resulting in it having the new BPV of 50 for the unrefitted ship. The fact that both Point Values are 50 is just a coincidence.

Anyway, it would appear that 60 is likely a more appropriate Point Value for the main era ship. (It now seems to have a base unrefitted BPV of 50, plus the 8 for the refit and the 2 for the drone speed, gives a new total of 60.) But all of this would need to be confirmed by Steve Cole and Steve Petrick.

I'll go ask ...
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Sgt_G · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:24 pm Post subject:

SSD from Advanced Mission dated 2014 has BPV or 50, with 4 Boarding Parties and 10 total Crew Units.

If your copy says BPV of 40, check the crew/BP size. If it's 6/2, then you have an old version.
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mjwest · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:02 pm Post subject:

Valpurgius · Ensign Joined: 28 Nov 2022 Posts: 4

Yep I was basing mine off the 2014 version too. Didn't even think about the drone speed. That does help close the gap for the Fed DD+ between SFB and FC, but the FC version is still 3 points more than I can account for.

Valpurgius · Ensign Joined: 28 Nov 2022 Posts: 4

I think we will be correcting it in our games since a 20% increase is a pretty major point difference. And while we are on the topic, what about the Fed Scout? It seems to be using the EPV instead of the BPV from SFB. that has it 20 points higher than it should. And why does the FC version have a drone when the SFB doesn't?

mjwest · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:45 pm Post subject:

In Federation Commander, there are no split BPVs. Instead, there is just one Point Value. For all ships except scouts, that Point Value is taken from the Combat BPV in SFB. For scouts, that is taken from the Economic BPV in SFB.

Do note that in SFB, you have to use the Economic BPV exclusively unless the scout is appearing by itself. Only when appearing by itself is the Combat BPV ever used. So, using the Combat BPV for the Federation Commander Point Value isn't actually changing anything in practice.

The Federation Commander scout has a drone rack because Steve decided to put it there. That's pretty much the entire reason and justification.

Also, to be clear, when it comes to things printed on a ship card, I can tell you what it probably should have been (like the Point Value of the Fed Pol or Tholian DD) but that isn't errata or an official ruling. It is just "I wish I would have caught that." The ship card is what it is. If your group decides to use what the Point Value should have been, that's great. But it has to be agreed to by the group. The ship card doesn't change.
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