Hydrans vs Fed - Important lessons learned

terryoc · Post by **terryoc** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:57 am

The Hydrans usually lost

Not so. The Hydrans lost strategically vs the Klingons and Lyrans because the Coalition had either superior technology (as in the first time they lost the Kingdom) or were outnumbered and made strategic blunders (the second time).

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:08 pm

Too bad the poor Hydrans don't share a border with any allies

kirbykibble · Post by **kirbykibble** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:28 pm

strangely enough, the hydrans didn't have superior tech?
when i play as any other race and battle the hydrans, i always lost...
(which is still not historically correct)

Bolo_MK_XL · Post by **Bolo_MK_XL** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:13 pm

It's correct in your history, since it happened ---

storeylf · Post by **storeylf** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:52 pm

if you get too close, the Hydrans can easily defeat you (which is not historically correct as the Hydrans usually lost)

It is historically accurate - historically when hydrans got close they often won. There is a big difference between losing wars and losing battles. One can win one whilst losing the other.

duxvolantis · Post by **duxvolantis** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:18 pm

storeylf wrote:
if you get too close, the Hydrans can easily defeat you (which is not historically correct as the Hydrans usually lost)
It is historically accurate - historically when hydrans got close they often won. There is a big difference between losing wars and losing battles. One can win one whilst losing the other.

Life for a Hydran fusion (or even hybrid) fleet gets dangerous when you have a Klingon fleet crushing a cruiser a turn at long range with really not much ability to do much damage in return.

OTOH, attacking objectives (BATS, SB, etc) with a Fusion fleet is a costly proposition but one that the Hydrans are likely to win.

I think that plays pretty well with how I view the Hydrans: suicidal little buggers willing to take heavy losses to try and get the Klingons and Lyrans off their land.

The problem is, there just weren't enough Hydrans to succeed taking heavy losses in every battle (win or lose).

kirbykibble · Post by **kirbykibble** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:44 am

ok... i get your point.
regardless, the hydrans should be able to defeat their enemies if they used proper strategy

Savedfromwhat · Post by **Savedfromwhat** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:52 am

Unless their opponents also used proper strategy as well.

Paper should always beat rock unless my opponent... CHOOSES SCISSORS

In which case I will choose rock unless my opponent decides to... CHOOSE PAPER

In which case I will choose scissors because I am nobodies fool...

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:20 am

Ever Play Mony Python Rock Paper Scissors?

Sergeant: "Rock..paper...scissors...shoot!"
[Sergeant holds up scissors, soldiers hold up rocks]
Sergeant: "Now... scissors beat everything, right?"
Soldier: "Not rocks sir."
Sergeant: "They're a very good pair of scissors."

duxvolantis · Post by **duxvolantis** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:37 am

kirbykibble wrote:ok... i get your point.
regardless, the hydrans should be able to defeat their enemies if they used proper strategy

In FC, sometimes you just draw a bad matchup.

Fpr example I recently duelled a Hydran Tartar in a Lyran CW and sent him off the map with significant damage without taking internals.

A Lyran is a VERY DIFFICULT single-ship matchup for a hellbore Hydran. And while my opponent made a minor mistake at the beginning because he didn't understand the ESG/Hellbore interaction which gave me a slight initial advantage--even if he had played perfectly it would have still been quite difficult for him to win.