It DID say that it was in Hydran space I'm pretty sure. And I really don't believe that the Hydrans would be terribly eager to help the Seltorians.
regards
Stacy

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 06:30 pm: Edit

If the Selts showed up in Hydran space, they need not have done so in the Old Colonies - and in that case, perhaps the area of space they did arrive in was being contested by the Vudar?

If the Vudar were the ones to guide the Selts on, perhaps that would earn them a few brownie points on Klinshai...

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 06:46 pm: Edit

I have Omega 1,2 and 4.

By Joseph Riggs (Junior) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 07:05 pm: Edit

I would imagine that the route for the Vudar would have been to mention to the Klingons that there were these bugs that had just showed up that really hated sentient rocks, and did the Klingons want to talk to them?

I can't remember off the top of my head -

What year did the Selts arrive near the Holdfast? And what year did the Klingon Empire start perpetuating the fraud that the so-called Vudar Enclave region of the Hydran Kingdom was an area of space populated by a rebellious subject race?

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 07:05 pm: Edit

Loren
Look in the timelines. It's not a scenario just a throw away line.
regards
Stacy

By Joseph Riggs (Junior) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 08:10 pm: Edit

I didn't see anything in the timeline with regard to the Vudar other than a passing reference to a Hydran raid on a Vudar storm station in Y179. Unfortunately, this doesn't provide any information on when the Enclave was supposedly established.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 08:16 pm: Edit

The (semi?)independent Enclave was set up in Y178, and expanded to the 'final' borders by Y182, according to GURPS Klingons 4e.

By Joseph Riggs (Junior) on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Thanks

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 05:59 pm: Edit

So, does the idea of parking a Selt Hive or Nest Ship over Sleern (in the area once known as the Neutral Worlds) out in the Cloud in, say, Y204 or Y206 sound reasonable to anyone?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 06:15 pm: Edit

I don't know. I'm reluctant to commit to such a history when there is so much to discover in earlier years.

Really, PDT and another secret project --that will hopefull come by next Captain's Log-- have some very insteresting data to reveal. Not that it couldn't happen anyway, but that the implementation will likely be different.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 06:24 pm: Edit

Well, I guess it may depend on the direction that ships inbound from M81 would have to take to reach the Milky Way Group - if the Cloud is not too far out of the way, it would be relatively easy to get to, but one or more of the other satellite galaxies might be a better bet for them.


(That point was raised in CL35's Andro article, where the issue of the arrival from M31 was discussed - and the idea was written up concerning the possibility that the Andros may have over-run one or more of our other satellite galaxies already, before they even started making it around to the LMC...)

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:28 pm: Edit

Some of our satalite galaxies will probably not have any life, and in some case maybe very few planets and resources. Other might have very ancient civilizations or long dead ones.

Both Andomeda and M81 are on the opposite side of the galaxy. From either galaxy you approach the MWG at around the Sagatarious Dwarf. In an upcoming article I specify the process of the approach from M81 and how it is one might end up on this side of the MWG.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 07:41 am: Edit

I was thinking that for an Andromedan assault on the far side of the Milky Way (such as Sigma or the Xorkaelian Empire) that the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy would be a better staging point for them than either of the Clouds - since it's on their inbound route from M31, it's relatively close to the Xork empire, and they could use the SDG's resources to build RTN links to other island galaxies (including the Clouds) and down into Xork space.

(The Omega fluff has the Andros attempt to build a Desecrator in the Iridani Cluster, which was destroyed before completion by the Iridani's Grand Quest to re-take their home space - but perhaps there are other small clusters scattered around the Milky Way which have functioning Andro starbases in them, and are thus nodes in this wider network?)


Which, of course, would mean that if any of that was true, the Andromedan War would not have been stopped by Operation Unity - just the aspect of the invasion relating to Alpha and Omega...


Oh, and Loren - it might be worth noting in the later transits of (Neo-)Tholian and Seltorian flights from M81, regarding whether or not they had to try and avoid running into any Andromedan ships or bases on the way in (if you haven't already) since if/when the time comes to map out a wider route taken by the Andros into our galactic group, the background you add for the later arrivals from M81 might be relevant in terms of working out the timing of such steps, or in determining whether the waypoints used by the 312th and the Hive Ship were Andro-held or not.

By John A Schneder II (Keltner) on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 10:57 am: Edit

Loren,

You've mentioned PDT many times, any idea when it might be released?? The hints you have dropped are tantalizing...

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 12:11 pm: Edit

John,

right now, as of CL37 it isn't even on the schedule. A lot of work is done on my part but there are several products ahead of it. D20M turned out to be quite complex and everything is stopped for now. The bright side is that I believe it is nearly done. Then there is PD Feds, which is ready for pre-production (as I understand it). I think that once PD Feds is done we will be able to look at it's place in line. Hopefully that will be soon. I should have everything I'm supposed to do ready to send by then. Honestly, 90% of the work I still have to do on PDT is typing work and organizing. I'd say less than a standard work week, although I still am working on a good Seltorian history approach. I recnetly scrapped the approach I'd taken earlier. It was too out of the SFU style.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 12:26 pm: Edit

Module X1R includes a Seltorian CAX and DDX. The CAX R-sections has some interesting information:

The Selts were building a CAX in one of the bays in the Hive Ship.

The ISC records do not indicate that any such ship was encountered.

What is left was a nightmare scenario; it escaped and would link up with another Hive Ship. Since the ship couldn't survive on its own this lead to speculation that the Selts left some kind of base or other unit outside of, but close to, the MW Galaxy.

The DDX R-section speculates did they (2 DDXs) escape and are they traveling with the CAX.

Scenario (SH246.0) is about the ISC Echelon of Judgements destruction of the Selt HVS Burning Torch of Vengeance in Y186.

X1R provides some details for some fun "what ifs". The Selts may have a base, Hive Ships, or nest ship out side the MWG, which may be in communication with other Selt units.

I would suggest that the Selts arrived and entered through the top of the galactic disc (my assumption is the Andros came through the bottom of the disc); any base/HVS could be located close to this location. During the mid-stages of the RTN hunt an alpha sector scout found the opening and evidence of the Selts in Y199. After 12+ years what kind of fleet could they have built?

Also X1R added an X-version of the particle cannon and a damage mode to the shield cracker; operates as a direct fire weapon (fires during 6B7).

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 12:34 pm: Edit

If those ships are still out there, or if even one of them was, then they could make for a pretty interesting link-up, if that idea about a Nest Ship showing up in the Cloud in the mid-Y200s was ever approved...


(That might also lead to a need to figure out whether the Magellanics did actually develop any kind of X-tech in the post-Unity era, though.)

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Any Selt just outside the galaxy would have to have just arrived. No Selt unit would have remained there while knowing where the Tholians are. It just wouldn't have happened.

There is a possiblity, however, that I can discuss with SVC and SPP but one other thing has to be ironed out first.

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 12:44 pm: Edit

I would agree a link-up would be very interesting. Perhaps post OpU the Selts could invade. They could enter into the Alpha Sector over in the Lyran Far Stars region

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 12:50 pm: Edit

Loren
Isn't it an open question that there may be Tholians holed up in OTHER parts of the Milky Way galaxy(At least open to the Seltorians)? There's really no way to know for sure without looking. Ipso facto it wouldn't surprise me if there's another contingent of Seltorians looking about in and around our galaxy.
regards
Stacy

By Joseph R Carlson (Jrc) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 01:02 pm: Edit

Loren,

Perhaps no combat-capable ship stayed behind but a group of workers that built a series of ground bases and a communications station. That station formed the navigational beacon for the new arrivals.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 01:29 pm: Edit

Well, there is already a project in the works and somethings would be contrary to that. However, there are always... possabilities.

I wish I could go into it but for the time being, at least a little while, I have to hang on. This almost got published in CL37 but there ended up being details that required it to be push back. I think you all will dig it, though.

By Peter David Boddy (Pdboddy) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 11:12 am: Edit

I have a question, what does PDT mean?

By Stacy Brian Bartley (Bartley) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 12:09 pm: Edit

Perpetually Delayed Tholians
regards
Stacy

PS So Loren doesn't blow a blood vessel-it stands for Prime Directive: Tholians-the role playing info supplement that will explain much of the poop behind the Tholians.

By Peter David Boddy (Pdboddy) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 12:18 pm: Edit

Ah, thank you Stacy.