To be clear (since nobody is grokking this)....

1. There is not enough room in G3 to add Megafighters and footnote fighters to the MFC unless we move Annex 5 to G3A.

2. If we do not move Annex 5 to G3A, then G3 will have a MFC and G3A will have either a chart with only megafighters and footnote fighters, or it will have an MFC that duplicates the MFC in G3 but adds the Megafighters and Footnote fighters.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 04:46 pm: Edit

Either G3 or G3A should have a complete list of fighters. I think option 1 would be the best idea.

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 04:47 pm: Edit

Option 1 please.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 05:43 pm: Edit

For something like Annex 5 could there be some type of wiki that people could add to?

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 06:32 pm: Edit

Option 1.


Ken, I think that would be a real problem because no one would know what is "ADB Official" and what is not. Annex 5 is about abreviations used in the rules, not those used in public.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Option 1, Please.

I would like to take the time to thank you for both working on projects like this, and for working with the SFB community on these projects.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 01:46 pm: Edit

Loren if there was a place for a reference it would be easy enough to check.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 06:45 pm: Edit

General: There are no General double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing, Civilian pods (R1.34) are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Federation Double Weight Pods: Battle Pod [P-BP (R2.10), Basic Set, towing cost; 0.6667], Heavy Carrier Pod [P-CVA (R2.22), Advanced Missions, towing cost; 0.6667]. All other Federation specific pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.333.

Klingon Double Weight Pod: Heavy Carrier Pod [P-V7 (R3.67), Module R3, towing cost; 0.3333].

Klingon Triple Weight Pod: Space Control Ship Pod [P-S10 (R3.85), Module R5, towing cost; 0.6667].

Klingon: All other Klingon pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Romulan Double Weight Pod: Conjectural Klingon-Romulan Heavy Carrier Pod [P-VA (R4.126E), Module R9, towing cost; 0.3333]. All other Conjectural Klingon-Romulan pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500, this includes the non-conjectural cargo pod (R4.33A).

Romulan Skyhawk Cargo Packs (R4.28A): These have a towing cost of 0.1667 and cannot be used by Romulan Freight Eagles (R4.30), Pioneer Eagles (R4.53), Commando Eagles (R4.54), Warbird Freight Cruisers (YR4.9A-D), Warbird Commando Cruisers (YR4.10A-D), or Sublight Freighters (YR4.11).

Romulay Freight Eagle Pallets (R4.30A): These have a towing cost of 0.3333 and cannot be used by Romulan Skyhawk-H Cargo Transports (R4.28).

Kzinti Double Weight Pod: Heavy Carrier Pod [P-V7 (R5.38), Module R2, towing cost; 0.3333].

Kzinti Triple Weight Pod: Space Control Ship Pod [P-SC9 (R5.58), Module R5; 0.6667].

Kzinti: All other Kzinti pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Gorn Double Weight Pods: Heavy Battle Pod [P-HB (R6.41), Advanced Missions; 0.6667], Refitted Heavy Battle Pod [P-HB+ (R6.41A), Advanced Missions; 0.6667].

Gorn: All other Gorn pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.3333.

Tholian Double Weight Pods: Conjectural Federation-Tholian Battle Pod [P-B (R7.55A), Module R9; 0.6667], Conjectural Federation-Tholian Heavy Carrier Pod [P-VA (R7.55B), Module R9; 0.6667]. All other Conjectural Federation-Tholian pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.333, this includes the non-conjectural Federation Cargo Pod (R7.36).

Tholian Packs: All Tholian Packs have a towing cost of 0.1667.

Orion: The Orions do not have pods of their own, but if using the conjectural Orion Tug [TUG (R8.52), Module R9] any pods used will have the same pod weight it had in the service of the Empire which produced the pod.

Hydran: The Hydrans do not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing, all Hydran pallets of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.5000.

Andromedan: The concept of pod weights does not apply to the Andromedans who carry their cargo pods internally in place of satellite ships.

Lyran Double Weight Pallets: Troop Transport Pallet [Pal-TT (R11.20), Module C1, towing cost; 0.3333], Early Troop Transport Pallet [YP-TT (YR11.12), Module Y2, towing cost; 0.3333], Space Control Ship Pallet [Pal-SCS (R11.54), Module R5, towing cost; 0.3333]. All other Lyran pallets are, as of this printing, single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Lyran Double Weight Pods: Klingon-Lyran Heavy Carrier Pod [P-V7 (R11.37G), Module R3, towing cost; 0.3333]. All other Klingon-Lyran pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

WYN: The WYN Star Cluster does not as of this printing have any military tug or pods for tugs.

ISC: The Inter-Stellar Concordium does not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing. All Inter-Stellar Concordium pods are single weight with a towing cost of 0.3333.

ISC Destroyer Cargo Pallets (R13.36A): These have a towing cost of 0.1667 and can only be used by Destroyer Priority Transports (R13.36).

LDR: The Lyran Democratic Republic does not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing. All Klingon-Lyran Democratic Republic pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Seltorian: The Seltorian Tribunal does not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing. All Klingon-Seltorian pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Jindarian: The Jindarian Caravans do not as of this printing have any military tug or pods for tugs.

Vudar: The Vudar Enclave does not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing. All Klingon-Vudar pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Paravian: The Paravian Marauders do not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing.

Carnivon: The Carnivon Hordes do not have any double weight or triple weight pallets or pods as of this printing. The Carnivon Cub-C Cargo Pod is a single weight pod with a towing cost of 0.2500.

FRAX Double Weight Pod: Klingon Heavy Carrier Pod [P-V7 (R3.67),see (R51.19), Module R3, towing cost; 0.3333].

FRAX Triple Weight Pod: Use Klingon Space Control Ship Pod [P-S10 (R3.85), see (R51.19), Module R5, towing cost; 0.6667].

FRAX: Use Klingon pods, see (R51.19), all other Klingon pods as of this printing are single weight with a towing cost of 0.2500.

Note: Pseudo pods (G14.6) can simulate any of the above and are available to replace any of the above, but have a normal towing cost of 0.1000.

By Stewart W Frazier (Frazikar1) on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 08:49 pm: Edit

Note that the heavy carriers pods for the Klingon and Kzinti are listed as being triple weight when a pair are attached to a tug...

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 12:14 pm: Edit

SPP,

I think there's a typo in your 06:45 pm post from yesterday. You say

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Tholian Packs: All Tholian Packs have a towing cost of 0.6667.

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By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 10:26 am: Edit

Alan Trevor:

That has been fixed. Thanks.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Federation YCA - Docking points should be 8 and not 1 as listed. Both the PDF and Y1 have the error. - Ken Kazinski, 11 Jan 09.

Federation Early Years Separated Saucers - The rule number entry is missing from all the entries. To follow the form of other separated saucers the rule number of the complete unit should be displayed. - Ken Kazinski, 11 Jan 09.

Federation Early Fleet Tug YTG (YR2.9) - The docking points should be 7+4 and not 7-11 to follow the form of other Federation Tug listings. - Ken Kazinski, 11 Jan 09.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 10:17 pm: Edit

Federation Early Fleet Tug YTG Scr (YR2.9) The Docking Points are listed as 4+8 for the separated saucer while the YTG is listed as 7-11. Shouldn't this be 5/6 + 4. - Ken Kazinski, 11 Jan 09

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 08:02 pm: Edit

SVC's response to the first few pages of notes Petrick gave me of what people supposedly want.

Clarify if PUR vessels are under additional restrictions: I told him to make the KRM PUR+LPW but he's not grasping the point.

YIS dates vs Campaign players negotiating their own dates: I'm going to list what data I have and you can STILL negotiate your own dates.

Something in the notes column of every carrier about its fighter group: Not practical.

Listing refits on the MSC in any of the 37 proposed formats: none of them are practical.

Navigating the MSC visually: You must be blind. Every black bar has the empire name in it at the left (bottom of page) end. No need for us to do anything.

Sprinkling in art: Not really practical as the blank spots are in "word" pages that are too hard to add art to.

Replacing ANNEXE header with something more descriptive. Not practical or necessary.

Pod Weight notations: Proved impractical to add to the MSC. A document listing these took three pages and will probably land in G3A.

Gary Bear claims I said we would include a complete refit table. I doubt I said that (maybe I was joking?) but it's ridiculously impractical and would push the book to 700 pages.

Another Gary Bear request for us to remove all "design available but unbuilt" data and let him browbeat his opponents into his point of view. Denied.

Landing ability note: Petrick will look into this but it seems unnecessary as there is an annex.

Another note about PUR ships duplicating previous requests. Guys, just ask ONCE ok?

Yet another pod weight thing. Guys, just ask ONCE ok?

General early base station: I have no idea what this is about and handed it back to Petrick.

Fast Monitor listed as IMPossible. Ok, whatever.

Monitor BPV Confusion: Handed this one back to Petrick.

General note on fighter holding units availability: Handed this one back to Petrick.

A lot of notes about individual line items: Not listed separately by me here.

That's more than enough for tonight.

By Gary Bear (Gunner) on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 08:32 pm: Edit

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 05:24 pm: Edit

There is no after action topic for G2, nor will there by an updated/corrected version of G2. We will do G3 at some point between Dec 05 and Dec 06. We'll just see...
1. how many things need fixing
2. how many worthwhile things need adding
3. how many new products we do
4. how much time there is available to do it vs the initial sales of G2.

Here is a list of things I want to do in G3.

1. Include megafighters on the master fighter chart.

2. Include a complete refit table.

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By George Duffy (Sentinal) on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:28 pm: Edit

So how is G3 coming along anyways?

Will it still meet the Jan. 26 release date?

How about a pending release date for G3A?

(Sorry for asking the obvious; with two weeks to go, it's like the "Kid in a candy store" syndrome here )

B^)

By Michael Lui (Michaellui) on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 05:43 pm: Edit

You mean the one that keeps getting his hand smacked.

By George Duffy (Sentinal) on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 08:35 pm: Edit

Preeeecisly (*smack*)

By Tos Crawford (Tos) on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 08:10 pm: Edit

Can the MSC list add the shock value for each shock unit in the notes section?

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:02 pm: Edit

When can G3 be ordered?

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:13 pm: Edit

Not yet. It is going to be delayed by the move (along with a bunch of other products) but I don't know HOW LONG (two weeks, three weeks, four weeks) that will be. There are several issues involved, including a week that Petrick and I will have to spend out of town on a secret mission.

By Ryan Opel (Ryan) on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:15 pm: Edit

Is the secret mission the one when you come and visit me in Iraq?

By Howard Bampton (Bampton) on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 11:51 pm: Edit

I suspect that the mission is a trip to Red Springs.

By Loren Knight (Loren) on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 12:26 pm: Edit

Please add (E20.0) Transporter Artillery to Annex #1.

By Ken Kazinski (Kjkazinski) on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 05:54 pm: Edit

Romulan Warbird Cruiser WB (YR4.3D) The note "same as R4.2" should be removed. The early years warbird's SSD is different from the SSD in the basic set. - Ken Kazinski, 1 Feb 09.

I believe that all the units that transistion from early year versions need to be re-looked at. The rules and SSD's need to state which SSD and rule is correct and which has been superceded.