| By Jon Berry (Laz_Longsmith) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 07:38 pm: Edit |
If the Gorn and the Imp!Fed empires are not in alignment, do the Gorn purchase Log!Romulan fighters, or build their own? Or just skip the whole thing until PFs come about?
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 07:55 pm: Edit |
And for that matter, who flies those Gorn fighters for them?
Unless they control Skoleos in this timeline, they'd need to find an alternate source of fighter pilots...
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 08:34 pm: Edit |
The best options are
A) using Romulan fighters
or
B) Engineering fighters that look suspiciously similar to some Imperial fighters. With options for reverse-engineering or esionage as well as parallel evolution.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:07 pm: Edit |
Using LogRom fighters makes the most sense. As for pilots, maybe the Gladiator cockpits are bigger than F-18 cockpits ...
| By Charles Chapel (Ctchapel) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:43 pm: Edit |
What is the situation with the Orions? I understand there is no enclave, but was there an exodus of disgruntaled officers and their ships. More specifically, when did Orion lose it's independance? I like the Orions and the idea that they percive themselves as fighting the good fight against the Imperium, even if they just raid convoys. Deth O'kay as Robin Hood.
Gorn fighters should be from the LRoms. Maybe they bought a non-selected design from LRoms in this reality like the Primes did from the Feds.
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:53 pm: Edit |
According to PD, the issue with Gorn fighters is that, as a species, they aren't quite suited to it...
Quote:When the various galactic powers began development of fighters, the Gorns realized they had a big problem - themselves. A fighter built large enough to fit a Gorn pilot would lack maneuverability and speed, factors essential for success.
| By John Trauger (Vorlonagent) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
Alternately,
They're chummy with the lRoms. And they fit just fine.
| By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:08 pm: Edit |
I wonder if Gerlunians make for good fighter pilots...
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 10:15 am: Edit |
The orion mindset fit more easily into the Imperial Federation and they are full and loyal members of it. No disgruntled officers, no orion pirates. LogRoms are not de-warped by Gorns, so no Pirate Kingdoms in Romulan space for the disgruntled officers to run to.
| By Charles Chapel (Ctchapel) on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 10:29 am: Edit |
Thank you SVC. There was a lot of stuff and I got lost, pain meds tend to do that to me. No comment about an ImperialCommander Spin-off? (smile)
Charles Chapel
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:15 am: Edit |
Of course! We'll call it Imperial Attack.
| By Robert Gamble (Rgamble) on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 09:50 am: Edit |
Gorns and Fighters... What about having the 'East' (or at least the Gorns) fighterless? Either that or the Gorns use logRom fighters as John Trauger said.
| By Paul Stovell (Pauls) on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 09:54 am: Edit |
I'm assuming that although alternate split of the Vulcans/Romulans is THE change the main thing is to have mirror mirror style Imperial Federation.
Else the Imperials could "logically" end up with plasma rather than photons.
The logRoms ships could be done from blank canvas.
Do they have to have plasma? Plasma torpedoes are presumably a Romulan rather than LogRom development? SVC have you decieded on plamsa for LogRoms or can we explore alternatives?
A second photon race might be nice/different.
Or is it that the LogRoms get plasma 'cause they have plasmidium mines?
Same thing for the fate of the cloaking device.
If LogRoms get warp do they ever bother developing the cloak?
| By Paul Stovell (Pauls) on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 10:08 am: Edit |
To explore LogRom ships a bit without getting into heavy weapons...
Are the Early year Vulcans a sensible starting point for LogRom ships? They have lost Vulcan and its industries but it the real romulans get to build ships and would have had warp but for the Gorns presumably the LogRoms do too.
The Vulcan early years ships get phaser-1 and special sensors which are unique on early years ships.
The hull of the YVC (Early Years Vulcan Heavy Cruiser) might fit nicely between two War Eagle wing engines as a basis for logRom ships.
| By Paul Stovell (Pauls) on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 10:14 am: Edit |
Fianl thought on logRom/imperial ships/technologies.
In the "real" world the Romulans develop fighters very early on. This would seem to suite the Imperials rather than the logRoms? On the other hand the LogRoms might choose fighters as a way to rush defences to worlds once the Imperials find them again.
Presumably the Imperials will attack the LogRoms as soon as they find them in a mirror image of "real" Romulans attacking the Federation and the logrRoms will need some means to not only turning them back but making them take a 50 year break? This assumes that the Imperials history does in some way mirror the Federation history.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 11:11 am: Edit |
The LogRoms would arrive on Romulus with whatever the original Roms arrived with, and would find whatever the original Roms found. Hence, plasma, eagles, cloaks.
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 08:45 pm: Edit |
Okay, I'm walking into this way late, but:
The logical Vulcans who fled Vulcan have an empire? How did this state of affairs come to be? What would logically drive the LVs to create an "imperial" (defined as?) nation? Why would they call themselves Romulans (probably the same reason as the Roms, got it, but), why not call themselves the Surak Republic or something?
As for "Bad Earth," if the issue hasn't been settled yet what if Earth was ruled by a pirate America? Consider (deep inhale):
The Confederacy wins the Civil War and for several decades lives side by side with the Union. Eventually (economics surprisingly gone wrong) the Confederacy absorbs the Union and absorbs a bunch of other things in the wake of WWI or WWII. Economic exploitation "gone wild" becomes the CSA's modus operandi, basically piracy, indentured servitude (or outright slavery in some cases), hostile (military/mercenary) takeovers of energy resources, etc. Over time they've either bought the rest of the planet, or they've bullied into submission what they don't own. (Khan ain't gonna happen; probably not V'Ger either) They move out into space and Earth pirates meet up with Vulcan Empire. Then what happens next is whatever the game plan is.$0.02
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 09:09 pm: Edit |
The term "empire" merely means "large interstellar government/state". It does not mean "a specifically imperial form of government". It is basically a replacement term for where "race" was used. Since "race" was being used incorrectly on many different levels (the more correct term is "species", and what of the multi-species "races"?), ADB has decide to migrate to the use of the term "empire" instead. While still incorrect with non-imperial forms of government, it is way more correct and works well enough.
Quote:The logical Vulcans who fled Vulcan have an empire? How did this state of affairs come to be? What would logically drive the LVs to create an "imperial" (defined as?) nation? Why would they call themselves Romulans (probably the same reason as the Roms, got it, but), why not call themselves the Surak Republic or something?
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 09:14 pm: Edit |
Mike, thanks for clarifying. I was (mistakenly) under the impression that the term "empire" was being used as a specific name for the nation vice a generic descriptor. I vote for Romulan Republic.
| By Jon Berry (Laz_Longsmith) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 01:53 am: Edit |
Another question given the alliance between the Log!Roms and the Gorn. Would the Gorn be willing to lease some of their off-map exploration territory to the Romulans, like the Klingons and Lyrans in the 'real' universe? Given that the log!Roms only have so much room to expand before they go try to conquer the ISC and the Imp!Federation.
| By R. Brodie Nyboer (Radiocyborg) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:51 am: Edit |
Another screwball question:
Is this series (for lack of a better phrase) going to start back in the Early years and progress forward or will it start in the "modern" era (c. Y165) and go wherever/whenever?
If it starts in the Early era then first order of business for the new Vulcan-Earth axis is conquest (or "pacification" or "colonization" or whatever other comfortable euphemism they might wish to employ). Put those upstart Andorians in their place, etc.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:06 pm: Edit |
Jon,
I don't see why not. It would seem a reasonable thing.
RadioC,
I can't speak for what SVC is looking for, but I would assume the idea is to focus on the "General War" era setup. The Early Years can be addressed, but it would have to be done "backwards" to make sure we get to the General War, rather than just moving out blind.
That does mean that what happens in the Early Years would be constrained by where we are going. So, somethings along the way will trip up the ImperialFeds and prevent them from getting out of control. As you imply, putting their own house in order is probably the first major set of speed bumps on their way to galactic domination.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 02:49 pm: Edit |
This would, obviously, start from before Y0, so it would have an early years but we might or might not ever publish anything for it.
| By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 06:51 pm: Edit |
As far as which way bad earth goes, as long as you can explain it as eVulcan spies doing it, fine.
| By Mike West (Mjwest) on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:40 pm: Edit |
How about this: they tried to subvert the Soviets, but eventually failed. The EmoVulcans were not willing to provide any advanced technology, and the Soviets eventually collapsed (like in "real" history). Biding their time, they come back a while later and make their attempt with the Chinese, and this time it works. However, the Chinese are sophisticated enough to realize what is going on, and are able to insist on certain technological advancements. These advantages, with the careful implementation over a couple of decades, allows them to dominate the Earth, if not outright control it.
Quote:As far as which way bad earth goes, as long as you can explain it as eVulcan spies doing it, fine.
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