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The Juggernaut (Beta) has the ability to build (CL33, pg 6). I thought I read somewhere that one of the Juggernauts was repairing in a asteroid field.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Saturday, July 06, 2013 - 12:45 pm: Edit

There was a recent discussion regarding the potential of doing more X-SRs, where it was noted that such ships would be unbuilt variants.

In the event that any campaign conjectural first-generation X-survey cruisers were to be drawn up as SSDs, I should note for future reference that, alongside the two Federation examples already in print (the GSX from X1, and the GVX in X1R), the Romulans currently have their own hull of this type, the SparrowHawk-CX, in with the GVX in Module X1R. (Historically, the ship spent much of its time in combat against the Andromedans, and only got to do some actual survey work once the invaders had been mostly pushed back.) So they would not need a "new" conjectural X-survey SSD, unless one were to bother with an X-tech version of a Pioneer Eagle. Such a ship probably wouldn't be worth the hassle, though.

Also, the R-section for he Gorn HDSX states that the Confederation Admiralty claimed the ship would be used as a survey cruiser, but that they were essentially lying to the Senate (in that it was really intended for use in a planned final offensive against Romulus). However, even leaving the attempted misdirection aside, this ship has only two labs and no cargo space, so would make for a poor survey unit relative to either the GSX/GVX or the SPCX.

By Michael C. Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Saturday, July 06, 2013 - 11:15 pm: Edit

Well, the Klinks were probably due for a new SR about then. But I would guess that they would build a regular one and spend the X points on something else...

Same with the Lyrans. Actually I could see the Lyran emperor holding most of the Xpoints for his own fleet and filling the County & Ducal fleets with new build old tech ships...

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 03:07 pm: Edit

As a note to consider at some future point: would this file be the place where one or more of the various "lost empires" from C6, E3, or E4 would get their first-generation X-ships published; or would those factions have to wait for some other sort of module instead?

On the one hand, those four empires could help fill otherwise-empty SSD pages in this category. But on the other hand, since they would all be conjectural, they may not be as appealing as "real" X-ships would be.

(But then, finding enough historical X-ships in the Alpha Octant that would be worth doing in order to make X1B a reality might be a stretch in and of itself.)

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:04 pm: Edit

I'd rather not see conjectural X-ships from conjectural empires in X1B.

I'd much rather seem them in the respective products (C6 and whatever becomes of the Peladine and the Borak).

By Randy Blair (Randyblair) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:31 pm: Edit

This might be a great opportunity to introduce tech that's fresh and new, which requires specialized ships to implement it (or defend against it).

Maybe taking a step back, forgetting the GW and previous eras, and coming up with brand new gear. Not TNG, of course, but something that hasn't been seriously considered before.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:40 pm: Edit

But the point of C6 is to create an empire of Carnivons that can be used against the standard alpha quadrant powers. That pretty much means not forgetting the GW and previous (and later) eras.

For brand new gear in the alpha quadrant, my main hope would be X2.

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:46 pm: Edit

The problem for the Carnivons and Alpha-Paravians is that the ship has already sailed on the C6 countersheet. (There was originally not going to be any Middle Years ships in that file; the earliest provisional countersheets would have been for the General War era only. Getting a few CLs and DDs on there was a welcome development, but even that seemed to push the limits of what was possible to be added in a single module.)

If there are to ever be any first-generation X-ships based on the C6 designs, they would be obliged to go into some other module.

I don't have E3 or E4 to hand, so can't say whether or not either of those empires currently have X-ships to playtest or not; but if some future C-module were to do for them what C6 has done for the other "lost empires", an equivalent set of SSDs and counters might not leave room for any X-ships there either.


I should note that personally speaking, I am in no hurry to see such a project go forward. For my own sake, I'm much more interested in building things up to the point where Omega and LMC X-ships could be up for consideration. (If given the choice between seeing an Alpha-Paravian X-ship go to print, or going for an equivalent vessel for the Omega-Paravians instead, I'd far rather have the latter.)

But, since I tend to be in the minority in such matters, and figured that there may be those out there who might be more keen on seeing Alpha's "lost empires" get the 1X treatment some day, I felt obligated to ask what, if any, file had been ear-marked for them, if or when their time were to come.

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:59 pm: Edit

LMC or Omega are really unlikely to be in this product I would think.

Carnivons and Paravians are at least maybe possible imo. Borak and Peladine would have to have an official product (not playtest) before there could (imo) be any possibility of appearing elsewhere.

That being said, let us take this discussion back to actual alpha quadrant empires and what they might get in X1B?

By Gary Carney (Nerroth) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 05:19 pm: Edit

To be clear, I didn't want non-alpha X-ships in this module.

What I meant was that if any of the alternate module options (such as a "Module C5A" or suchlike for the LMC, or one of the proposed Omega X-modules in the August 2012 memo) were to be up for consideration, I would be more excited about those than I would be for this module.

Once again, I fail to explain myself adequately, and get called out for something which came across in what I did end up typing.

But, again, my main point for this thread was to ask of any of the Alpha "lost empires" would get their X1-ships here. If so, fair enough. If not, that's fine too. But if it's not a question that can be answered any time soon, I won't complain.

By A. David Merritt (Adm) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 05:36 pm: Edit

For what it is worth; both the Borak and Peladine have basic X-ships in their respective playtest modules.

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 09:42 pm: Edit

You could always combine Carn/Para x-ships in C4X, since those are all conjectural anyhow.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 08:06 am: Edit

In the current topics, Disasters, Whale Wars, there is a discussion about Whaling ships and (at a guess) methods to discourage poaching of whales outside of international agreements to ban whaling activities.

Just a thought, but what if di-lithium sheep were more plentiful than the original captains log article posited?

What if other, more valuable space dwelling creatures existed, and the Orion Pirates embarked on a quadrant wide hunting spree that would, ultimately, spell the end of such creatures?

Would the citizens of the quadrant demand protection from the evil Orion Poachers? How would such a back ground inspire special designs for ships and technology?

Lets say the Orions would need to deploy a class of "Fast Factory Ships", and using options mounts, have to decide between weapons and the tools needed to hunt these creatures?

If we assume that these Orion Poaching groups can be found all over the alpha quadrant, that means a huge area must be protected and patrolled...

A direct consequence might mean a return to small patrol ships able to take on these Orion light raider types... at a guess that means either size class 4 hulls or even a new kind of X tech size class 5 hulls with the range and endurance to conduct the long, punishing extended endurance patrols looking for these Orion Poaching squadrons.

It also means a smaller number of X ship command ships with the raw combat power and speed to hunt down and destroy the factory ships as needed.

And it means, a new kind of police ship that has the authority to inspect freighters looking for "contraband" in the form of Dilitium Fleece, and various other space dwelling creatures body parts that have commercial applications.

Suppose Sun Snakes have some sort of venom that was found to have engineering properties that would allow small orion ships to triple hype their engines instead of the normal 2x effect? suh an ability would allow even non x orion ships more power than a comparable X ship.

What if a creature were discovered to exist that could allow Orion ships to temporarily double their ships shields? Or a creature that had bones that had some special characteristic the allowed the orion ships to be built with stronger hulls that eliminated the penalty for HETs?

lots of things that suddenly become possible, and provides a motivation for the Orions to hunt these creatures.

By Jay Gustason (Jay20) on Thursday, November 12, 2020 - 11:07 am: Edit

New wyn x ships

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Thursday, November 12, 2020 - 11:49 am: Edit

X-tech Dragons!

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Thursday, November 12, 2020 - 06:43 pm: Edit

X Space whales.