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By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 08:56 pm: Edit

Here we go.

Rules

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Proposed and researched in conjunction with the Mega-Phaser (E107.0), Extension Wings were proposed by Federation Military R&D to help protect these heavy phasers (and possibly other weapon systems). The proposal allowed for the Mega-Phaser wing to be retracted into the mounting starship, protecting them from damage.
With the introduction of X-Technology, development of Mega-Phasers and Extension Wings was stopped. There is indication that most of the races in the Alpha Quadrant also investigated similar research.



SHIPS:

Battle Disk: The originally proposed prototype, the Battle Disk was quickly reworked into the Assault Disk. The Battle Disk was capable, with an excellent power curve. Mega-Phaser development later proved this design (and the Assault Disk) unworkable due to hull-size limitations.

Assault Disk: The 2nd Disk design (after analysts 'corrected' the warp field problem), the Assault Disk had a smaller warp engine, but needed less due to more efficient field mechanics. Like the Battle Disk precursor, the Assualt Disk was never built due to limitations dealing with the Mega-Phaser.

War Disk: The first design which was actually able to be built, the War Disk had a single Extension Wing which protected a single Mega-Phaser. Had the Mega-Phaser system continued into production, it is very likely that several of these ships would have been built.

By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 08:56 pm: Edit

I've incorporated many of the comments from my first posting, including:


I think that next I will take the Assault Disk and create a non Mega-Phaser version. This would mount some drones on the wings, probably moving the Photons to the Ph-M locations.

Anyone have another name for the Wings? "Extension Wings" isn't bad, but I wonder if someone has something better.

Again, I appreciate the feedback.

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By Mike West (Mjwest) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:11 pm: Edit

I think an Assault Disk with the photons in the wing extensions and drones replacing the original photons would be cool.

That way, during the assault, it would slow down and use the C mode. After the assault, it could speed up and use the A mode to get away.

(BTW, I have to agree that the "wing extensions" are far more aesthetically pleasing than the "middle split".)

By John Pepper (Akula) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:13 pm: Edit

I like this a lot!! These could have been a further development of the ship part movement systems designes for the Fed CA that could rotate it's photon launchers.

NOTE:I belelive that ship was orignally posted in the playtest section on the starfleetgames home page.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:17 pm: Edit

One other thought.

I would stay away from a "tender" (I forgot who mentioned it). Making a tender would truly turn these into a PF-replacement, and I don't know that you want to go there.

I think it works best as a "Defiant" kind of ship. Something small and incredibly deadly. It is the most un-Federation ship ever made by the Federation, but is still a full ship.

By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:05 am: Edit

John Pepper: These could have been a further development of the ship part movement systems designes for the Fed CA that could rotate it's photon launchers.

The Fed Turret Cruiser - SFT #33. That was a goofy ship. Other ships in that issue: Klingon E3X, Rom Sniper (evil grin), Gorn Bubble DN, and the Qari T26 (Multi-Turrets). I really did enjoy SFT at times.

Mike West: I would stay away from a "tender" (I forgot who mentioned it). Making a tender would truly turn these into a PF-replacement, and I don't know that you want to go there.

True... and the more I think about it, the less likely I see it. These are SC4 ships, afterall.

John Trauger: It is the most "Defiant", yet genuinely SFB ship I'v e seen.

Well that was not the goal, but I can see it going that way (and I'm not complaining). Thanks!

Loren Knight: So, it was never actually developed but what if they did resurect it during the Xork war with X2 technology?
Robert Cole, would you mind if I worked something up or are you on that already?

Hrm... that would be X2 tech. Haven't thought it out that far as of yet. If you have a thought, feel free to work on it. If you want someone to host an SSD (or rules or whatever) for posting online, feel free to email me.

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COMBAT DISK: When the notice that Mega-Phaser technology research was to be put on indefinate hold, the design team responsible for the Extension Wing technology and Battle / Assault / War Disk tried to find a way for their ideas to stay alive.
The Combat Disk was designed by them to be a command ship for a squadron of Disk-type ships. While Starfleet was somewhat impressed with the possibilities presented with Extension Wing technology, this ship proved (like the other Disk ships) to be unworkable. When the Wings were closed, the weapon loadout of the vessel was limited to phasers only. Combined with the fact that X-Technology was proving much more capable than many had suspected, there simply was no reason to continue funding the project.

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By Richard Sherman (Rich) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:44 pm: Edit

Robert:

Your disks are some of the more creative things I've seen. Not sure how they'd "fly" with SVC/SPP, but for what it's worth, I think they're pretty nifty. :)

One minor suggestion: in addition to a turn mode "penalty" for extending the wing, I might also consider changing the breakdown rating...

By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

Sheesh. My proposal has been pilfered by clowns. As if I didn't work with enough of those.

While I admit to taking the Disk proposal beyond the norm, at least I haven't gone over the deep end. Afterall, I haven't even built the:


You'd think I was obsessed or something. :)

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By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

Now, onto the proposal.

I've updated the Rules have been updated.
This version includes:


I've also uploaded the Infiltration Disk. This one takes advantage of the increased survivability of Wing systems by creating a Spy type ship.
This ship mounts Special Sensors (scanning / fleet tracking), Probes (info gathering, I also like to think that Probe launchers could be used for launching spy satellites, but this isn't in the SFB ruleset), and Drones (probe drones).

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By Robert Cole (Zathras) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

Richard Sherman:

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I might also consider changing the breakdown rating...



There's a thought. Maybe that'll show up on V1.3 of the rules. Any one else have any thoughts on this?

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